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Espae Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.10.09 04:30:00 - [1] - Quote Killboard slaughter This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you. The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec.
Quibblin TenTon Inc Malicious Rage 4	Posted - 2013.10.09 04:48:00 - [2] - Quote Bait the bastard, have a fleet ready on your side and pop a cyno when he does lol, epic fun :)
Austneal Jellyneers Inc The Volition Cult 46	Posted - 2013.10.09 05:24:00 - [3] - Quote Espae wrote: The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec. "Someone is attacking me, my only option is to give up" Yeah, If that's how think, hisec PvE might a better option for you... Or maybe WoW. You could also try fighting back: Counter hot drop. Or if you cant get enough people in caps, maybe get a bunch of people in tornados and alpha him before the reinforcements arrive. Sitting there and dying to him over and over seems a bit dumb
Espae Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.10.09 05:37:00 - [4] - Quote Your own alliance, Volition Cult, has 10 losses against these guys just this month. You've lost two Navy Ravens, a Nightmare, and a Navy Apoc in the last 4 days alone. Why don't you fight back?
Austneal Jellyneers Inc The Volition Cult 46	Posted - 2013.10.09 05:47:00 - [5] - Quote I haven't lost a single ship in the last four days, thanks. I'm not the one they're bothering. Even if the alliance I'm in has lost ships to them, i don't see any of them whining on the forums about it
Iyokus Patrouette End-of-Line 8	Posted - 2013.10.09 06:31:00 - [6] - Quote How to defend against that is damned easy. Step 1: Move into a wormhole. Step 2: We kill you instead Step 3: We pod you. Step 4: You don't leave high sec again. Step 5(optional): create another rage thread in forums so we can smile. Getting butt hurt is part of the experience. I suggest next time you bring lube with you to help ease the hurt. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 1610	Posted - 2013.10.09 06:33:00 - [7] - Quote I would unsubscribe if I were you. Only way to survive in this game.
Espae Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.10.09 06:49:00 - [8] - Quote I love how anytime someone doesn't agree with something, it's "whining". Also, I'm not going to unsubscribe or "go back to WoW". I've been playing this game for almost 8 years now, and don't intend to stop because I'm "butt hurt", which I'm not. I was asking a legitimate question, because I really don't know the answer. Apparently the 200+ to 1 kill ratio means there are a hell of a lot of other pilots that are wondering the same thing. It just seems like there should be some counter to this other than "have your own mini-blob on standby". Problem with that for me, personally, is that I'm in a smaller alliance, and I play opposite from all of the real active PvP fleets. I'm at work or sleeping when they're active. That would also mean having people just sitting around waiting nearby for hours, hoping that these guys will happen to show up that night. The new cyno jammer thing seems like it would be a good counter, but it doesn't work on cov ops cynos, which is what these guys use.
Austneal Jellyneers Inc The Volition Cult 46	Posted - 2013.10.09 10:14:00 - [9] - Quote Espae wrote: I love how anytime someone doesn't agree with something, it's "whining". Your original post is a whine post. If you come come onto the forums to whine, and are surprised by everyone making fun of you, then you're just as much of a newbie as you were 8 years ago. As for suggestions on dealing this... Have you tried not mining / ratting when he's in system?
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 722	Posted - 2013.10.09 14:23:00 - [10] - Quote Stay alinged. When you see a ship drop in, but before it lands or it's decloak timer is up, hit warp. Do not respond to local chat or engage in any other activity that the T3 pilot might enjoy. Become frustratingly hard to catch and impossible to extract tears from, make it a terribly boring chore to catch you and he will give up. Or yeah just dock up, it's what everybody else does.

Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1236	Posted - 2013.10.09 14:35:00 - [11] - Quote If it's a single TIII ship, why don't you warp off the moment he enters local? (Oh wait, that would require paying attention to the game.)
Princess Nexxala Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 476	Posted - 2013.10.09 14:36:00 - [12] - Quote Espae wrote: Killboard slaughter This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you. The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec. You could do something completely outside of the box like learning how to pvp, that might be an effective counter. http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com
Batelle RisingSuns 176	Posted - 2013.10.09 14:37:00 - [13] - Quote Austneal wrote: Espae wrote: I love how anytime someone doesn't agree with something, it's "whining". Your original post is a whine post. If you come onto the forums to whine, and are surprised by everyone making fun of you, then you're just as much of a newbie as you were 8 years ago. As for suggestions on dealing with this... Have you tried not mining / ratting when he's in system? It's not a whine post. It explains what action is being taken, links to killboard, asks for a counter. No mention of unfairness, or demands for nerfs. In response to the OP, the only counters revolve around being prepared for what is relatively predictable behavior. Namely, identify and watchlist both the cyno pilots and the black ops pilots. Watch list is a very powerful tool. Identify the cyno droppers in your intel channels. If as you say, the guy is roaming throughout the region, you should be gone/safe before he even enters system. If he afks, you can tell how dangerous he is by seeing how many of his blops buddies are online. You can also try to bait, which is could be very hard or very easy. Just get a bunch of damage ships in fleet, a few recons/ceptors for points, and be formed up and ready to go in station while you have your bait do an anomaly in a troll-tanked ship. The big difficulty is that since you appear to be in Provi-bloc, the chances of them sniffing out the trap with a spy is VERY high, so you'll need to take precautions. If they don't suspect a trap, you'll definitely get a bite as they seem to drop anything and everything. You only need to kill one or two to declare a victory. I don't know if quad plated battleships are still in vogue, but one would certainly last long enough for the cavalry to arrive (just have excess tacklers due to widow jams). You could also try baiting with a few skiffs, but I don't know as much about this (and using a skiff might be TOO obvious). Lastly, you can have some arazus and falcons already on the field, but you don't want to uncloak these too soon. You can also try baiting with a ratting carrier with triage carrier on standby in a pos, the big thing here is keeping them locked down. I once had a friend get a little to scared and the traige carrier arrived wayy too soon and Fighting is Magic
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1236	Posted - 2013.10.09 14:37:00 - [14] - Quote Espae wrote: Problem with that for me, personally, is that I'm in a smaller alliance, and I play opposite from all of the real active PvP fleets. I'm at work or sleeping when they're active. That would also mean having people just sitting around waiting nearby for hours, hoping that these guys will happen to show up that night. No, that just means reshipping into combat ships when they enter your space.
Batelle RisingSuns 176	Posted - 2013.10.09 14:55:00 - [15] - Quote Espae wrote: Problem with that for me, personally, is that I'm in a smaller alliance, and I play opposite from all of the real active PvP fleets. I'm at work or sleeping when they're active. That would also mean having people just sitting around waiting nearby for hours, hoping that these guys will happen to show up that night. Watchlists mean you can predict them coming, you don't have to wait around all day if you can see they're active and the cyno ship is hunting. If you aren't in the position to organize a counter drop, then you just need to get better at dodging these guys. Fighting is Magic
Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 84	Posted - 2013.10.09 15:56:00 - [16] - Quote Austneal wrote: Espae wrote: I love how anytime someone doesn't agree with something, it's "whining". Your original post is a whine post. If you come onto the forums to whine, and are surprised by everyone making fun of you, then you're just as much of a newbie as you were 8 years ago. As for suggestions on dealing with this... Have you tried not mining / ratting when he's in system? Yeah, its not a whine post. Stop trying to subscribe to the "Any reply is tears" status quot. Legit post asking for help. Please remember that all pvp'ers do not have capital blob fleets on the batphone.
Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 84	Posted - 2013.10.09 15:56:00 - [17] - Quote Princess Nexxala wrote: Espae wrote: Killboard slaughter This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you. The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec. You could do something completely outside of the box like learning how to pvp, that might be an effective counter. Please post fit/tactics on how to win a 1v20.
Shadow Adanza Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 109	Posted - 2013.10.09 19:48:00 - [18] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Princess Nexxala wrote: Espae wrote: Killboard slaughter This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you. The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec. You could do something completely outside of the box like learning how to pvp, that might be an effective counter. Please post fit/tactics on how to win a 1v20. Fight. Win/Lose. Laugh regardless. Hey! You're no zombie!
greg01 Inglorious-Basterds OLD MAN GANG 15	Posted - 2013.10.09 20:42:00 - [19] - Quote If you have been playing Eve for 8 years and your only answer is to go back to high sec in order to sort this issue out then please do. You really should know how to counter this T3 pilot without making it common knowledge on forums.
Espae Republic University Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.10.09 22:20:00 - [20] - Quote Wow, I was kind of dreading coming back to this thread today, but a few of you made it worthwhile. So, thank you for that. I hadn't thought of the watch list, that's a great idea. Seems obvious too now that you've mentioned it. My big worry with baiting them was not having any idea what was on the other side of the cyno, but since they do seem to use the same small group of players, that seems like a very good idea. Thanks for the advice!

SpoonRECKLESS Bumper R Us 66	Posted - 2013.10.09 23:02:00 - [21] - Quote as the sayin goes. If they use a big stick bring a bigger stick . Also bring friends. Blue
Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 86	Posted - 2013.10.10 14:41:00 - [22] - Quote Shadow Adanza wrote: Fight. Win/Lose. Laugh regardless. Easy to say coming from Qcats. You guys dont have to worry about being on the low numbers side of things often I do love it when i am able to get 1v1's from you guys thou... Rab kicked my teeth in a few times the other night... ill beat him one day... Point of my reply was that princess's "L2PVP" post isnt a real effective choice when your going to be popped as soon as you warp in. Kinda hard to learn that way. And if you already know how to pvp... you know the best choice is NOT to warp into the blob unless your planning on losing.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG 575	Posted - 2013.10.11 08:26:00 - [23] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Shadow Adanza wrote: Fight. Win/Lose. Laugh regardless. Easy to say coming from Qcats. You guys dont have to worry about being on the low numbers side of things often I do love it when i am able to get 1v1's from you guys thou... Rab kicked my teeth in a few times the other night... ill beat him one day... Point of my reply was that princess's "L2PVP" post isnt a real effective choice when your going to be popped as soon as you warp in. Kinda hard to learn that way. And if you already know how to pvp... you know the best choice is NOT to warp into the blob unless your planning on losing. You are right, all you need is THE PLAN.
Espae Republic University Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.10.11 20:13:00 - [24] - Quote I've updated the OP to clarify what I meant by "go back to hisec". Living in null has been the most fun I've had in Eve, so I did not mean give up entirely... I meant, if there is too much risk doing PvE, then I could go back to hisec to earn the ISK I need to PvP down here. I'd prefer to just stay in null. :-) Yes, I do watch local, but especially after the warp changes in Rubicon, people are going to be able to jump in and be on you in something like 15 seconds. If you're in a battleship that is in the middle of a MWD cycle, your align time alone takes up most of that, meaning that you'll always have to be glued to local. I guess I just really dislike the ability to summon an entire fleet nearly instantly as a game mechanic. Yes, it allows for more ganks, but it also means that you can project fleet sized power without much risk.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1285	Posted - 2013.10.11 20:19:00 - [25] - Quote So watch intel channels up to a system out. Or put an alt there. As it is now, if you're paying attention, ratting is nearly risk-free. Even after the warp changes, it's not like the inty can warp directly to anyone in local. He still needs to figure out where you are first. So try ratting in large systems (out of d-scan range from the gates) with many anomalies (less chance he'll get you by dumb luck).
Espae Republic University Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.10.11 20:49:00 - [26] - Quote If you always warp to the highest end anom (there's usually only one at a time), or largest ore site, you have a very high likelihood of finding someone there. Oh well, I guess we'll just see how it shakes out. I suspect that if it's as bad as I think it might turn out, people will just stop running those sites, and those hunting them will have less targets than they had before. With the clone jump timer reduction, it's easier than ever to just jump back and forth as needed.
Shey Nabali The Bastards Shadow Cartel 2	Posted - 2013.10.12 07:30:00 - [27] - Quote As people have said... Watchlist them. Also, keep an eye on their killboard so you can see what area they are currently hunting in (oc, it dosn't refresh instantly... but all intel is usefull). Also, keep in mind, BLops vessels do "okay" DPS at best, and have paper thin tanks. A few guardians and a handfull of T1 battleships would probably hand them their head on a platter, for a fraction of what their fleet costs. Next time you have intel that they are roaming your way, bait them out in something shiny, then point a couple of those battleships and bring in reinforcments.
Bi-Mi Lansatha RillaCorp The Kadeshi 217	Posted - 2013.10.12 08:29:00 - [28] - Quote Espae wrote: Killboard slaughter This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you. The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec. (i.e. clone jump to earn ISK in PVE) Edit: To clarify the "go back to high sec" part. My opinion... Nova is good at what he does. Set him to your watch list and watch intel closely.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 497	Posted - 2013.10.12 09:07:00 - [29] - Quote Espae wrote: If you always warp to the highest end anom (there's usually only one at a time), or largest ore site, you have a very high likelihood of finding someone there. Oh well, I guess we'll just see how it shakes out. I suspect that if it's as bad as I think it might turn out, people will just stop running those sites, and those hunting them will have less targets than they had before. With the clone jump timer reduction, it's easier than ever to just jump back and forth as needed. Very easy fix. Extend grid, anchor bubble from gate to anom. Run anom. Unanchor bubble. Repeat as necessary. If using a Nullifier you're sol though I guess. Next best option other than alt on gate which is what I use. Wait one month. Deploy portable cyno jammer or two.
RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance 510	Posted - 2013.10.12 16:17:00 - [30] - Quote These are the things that happen in "NRDS" space. People get a false sense of security. Some really good posts here. The main point being: If you can't counter drop them, don't be in a position to let yourself get tackled. Join a corp that can field 10 PvP pilots ?

ready4impact Mostly Sober 0	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:04:00 - [31] - Quote There is only one thing you have to remember in EVE Online and it applies to all aspects of the game. You are not now nor will you ever be totally safe while making money. This is not a coincidence but a game mechanic. However, there are several factors that you control in the process of gathering ISK and exposing yourself to danger as a consequence. For example, The higher your ISK per hour is in almost any activity the higher will be the danger, whether it is a Officer fitted Nightmare for HS LVL4s or Faction BCSs on your CNR in 0.0. You choose whether to expose yourself to a 5% chance of having your anomaly be the one your enemy decides to warp into first and make 100mil ISK/h or you can take a lower yield anomaly and earn 90mil ISK/h for a .2% chance of being warped to first. Of course this applies to the choice of your fitting. Including your damage loss as a consequence of pre-aligning to be able to log a warp out before the enemy shows up as well as choosing to reduce the quality of damage or tank mods to reduce the ISK loss when the enemy inevitably catches up with you. In conclusion, even though total safety can seldom be achieved you can increase your practical ISK gain calculating in your risk as a part of an equation. For Example, In 20 hours you will earn: 1-(With a Ishtar in top anomaly): (50mil * 20)-(1Price of said ishtar)~~750mil 2-(With a Ishtar in non top anomaly): (45mil 20)-((5%/.2%)"To compensate for the reduced rate of loss"1Price of ishtar)~~890mil If you understood these simple examples you will now understand that if you, for instance, take a 20bil isk NM to HS to do LVL4s with 100mil/h with the 3% chance of getting ganked in an hour, you will earn less ISK then if you would have taken a 1bil ISK NM with a .001% chance of getting ganked per hour that earns 70mil/h. Now, as far as your specific problem is concerned I would put out several recommendations for you that should, while being maybe harmful for ISK/h as used in the previous simplified examples, increase your actual long term profits by minimizing the impact of Black Ops drops on your vessel: 1.Watch Local, Anything you don't recognize is to be treated as a treat and you should move to a safer system via a scout ASAP.(Of course NBSI SHOULD BE OBSERVED AT ALL TIMES by any good alliances, at least when engaged in PvE) 2.Since Black Ops cyno alts take up to 2 months to train you should take their names when they drop your allies and add them to your contacts as -10 with note:"Enemy BO Cyno etc." 3.Bubble the local gates, as it would at least buy you some extra time to warp out with recons and coverts that dont have nullifiers and help you with good old fashioned blobs.(Enjoy the mortal ceptors while you can) 4.Minimize unnecessary expenses when in comes to tank. If you can tank it with a gist B-Type don not buy the A-Type. If T2 fields will do do not go faction etc. PLEASE, apply aforementioned equation with regards to you ship type and damage mods. 5th is the most important step. Send your corp mates this article and always remember: They are here because you are feeding them! If you stop being such a naive target rich environment the enemy will leave. In your case even their name suggests their troll-like behavior. Regards and take care mate
Austneal Jellyneers Inc The Volition Cult 46	Posted - 2013.10.12 19:29:00 - [32] - Quote ready4impact wrote: Stuff... +1


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