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arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:39:00 -
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Vincenzo Arbosa wrote:
I would say any judgment of alignment is relative to the group you are interacting with, as well. I would be a bright shining LG in regards to family and friends that I consider such. I may appear NG to co-workers, etc.
Are you saying you are a hypocrite?
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
RAW23
275
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:52:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Vincenzo Arbosa wrote:
I would say any judgment of alignment is relative to the group you are interacting with, as well. I would be a bright shining LG in regards to family and friends that I consider such. I may appear NG to co-workers, etc.
Are you saying you are a hypocrite?
Just a normal complex human being, I think.
Quote:I would say any judgment of alignment is relative to the group you are interacting with, as well.
This is really the problem with the question and the notion of a single moral view-point. Context and relativity are everything and that tends to lead to a complex system of moral v iews that don't fit with single-track analyses of how one would act in a given, context independent, situation.
@Arabella - seriously evil  But would that be a lawful evil thing to do, given its manipulation and exploitation of law? Or would it be chaotic evil in its subversion of the legal system?
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Bertrand Prout
Sunday Sessions
19
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:04:00 -
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I haven't read those descriptions in years hehe. Anyways, there's no doubt I'm chaotic neutral. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Compulsory Euthanasia
961
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:52:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Maybe I'm not lighthearted enough for this thread, but you can only have one alignment. Surely if you're '"lawful good" with some "chaotic good" traits', you're neutral good? I don't think you can mix 2 alignments and get out a third like that. Ehm, yes you can. If you are Lawful Good and do too many things which don't match with that alignment, your alignment will change. Alignment can only change to an adjacent alignment (Lawful Good to Neutral Good or Lawful Neutral), so if a Lawful Good character does some Chaotic Good actions, he will be come Neutral Good.
Alignment is much more complex than the D&D system and quite a bit of it is contextual too.
The idea that "Each person should have a right to elect their government" is pretty universal in most of Europe and America today (and certainly is universally held by people that are LG or LN). But that was a fringe chaotic good idea in much of the 19th century, and the lawful neutral thing to do then when you encountered someone espousing that idea would have been to report this 'seditious Chartist traitor' to the authorities.
I stated before that IRL I'm chaotic good (and the chaotic is stronger than the good). That does not mean that I won't use lawful means from time to time - if I'm working and discover an unsafe maintenance condition on an aircraft, I won't get it fixed the 'chaotic' way of telling the pilot's union and getting them to strike over it, I'll do it the 'lawful' way by getting inspectors from the local equivalent of the FAA/EASA to ground the plane.
Don't judge alignment by individual actions. Judge it by the principles you live your life by. Some of your actions won't fit this but most will.
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Nerdy McButtHurt Trald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:06:00 -
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Galdrak wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Earlier today I sent an EvE mail to a person, explaining her that I act in a certain way because I am "lawful good" with some "chaotic good" traits. Which aligment are you? Here's a comprehensive reference to the various aligmnents to get started. Neutral Evil
Take the test, quite revealing.
You guys above, quoting what you think would be your alignment should take the 150 question test on the link.
Apparently I am true neutral should be sorcerer/rogue (3rd lvl of each).
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Adunh Slavy
1268
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:21:00 -
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Chaotic Good. The rest of you are a bunch of evil people.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Myriad Blaze
77
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Posted - 2013.10.11 07:32:00 -
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When I read the question I considered myself to be Lawful Good... then I took the test and learned that I'm Lawful Neutral.
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Myriad Blaze
77
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Posted - 2013.10.11 07:44:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:In my job as a lawyer, lets call it "paralegal", i help my judge write the sentences. Help lol, i practicly write them all by myself.
And i always have one goal - screw the little guy! Max sentence!
I once added 4 months prison to a drunk driver when the judge wanted to give only 2.
I LOVE MY JOB.
I'm surprised that your judge allows this. The punishment should always be in relation to the guilt. If you just go for the max sentence it would be a gross error of law and would give grounds for appeal. |
arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
191
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:17:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:arabella blood wrote:In my job as a lawyer, lets call it "paralegal", i help my judge write the sentences. Help lol, i practicly write them all by myself.
And i always have one goal - screw the little guy! Max sentence!
I once added 4 months prison to a drunk driver when the judge wanted to give only 2.
I LOVE MY JOB. I'm surprised that your judge allows this. The punishment should always be in relation to the guilt. If you just go for the max sentence it would be a gross error of law and would give grounds for appeal.
The max sentence is 30 months :) but its very rare...
Remeber, judges are old, tired people, who have so much work and so much sentence to give - they hardly have time to give attention to 1 individual, only in very important cases...
In the case i described, i told the judge it should be more prison time because of some reasons, not "jutst because" he didn't argue much :)
@ RAW - i got to that job by chance, i used to be a "typist" in court, then went to study law and my judge got me hired...
I have no interest in the law, i just use it to **** people lives...
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1080
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:19:00 -
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Nerdy McButtHurt Trald wrote:
You guys above, quoting what you think would be your alignment should take the 150 question test on the link.
Did the 36 question alignment test only
Quote:Alignment:
Lawful Good ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (35)
Neutral Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (24)
Chaotic Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (19)
Lawful Neutral -- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (31)
True Neutral ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (20)
Chaotic Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (15)
Lawful Evil ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (19)
Neutral Evil ---- XXXXXXXX (8)
Chaotic Evil ---- XXX (3)
Law & Chaos:
Law ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (19)
Neutral - XXXXXXXX (8)
Chaos --- XXX (3)
Good & Evil:
Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (16)
Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXX (12)
Evil ---- (0)
many of the questions omitted crucial details and circumstances that my answers would heavily depend on, so the test felt pretty useless. |
Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
30
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:26:00 -
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As much as I'd like to be Chaotic, I'm actually Neutral Good  |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1928
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:49:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Chaotic Good. The rest of you are a bunch of evil people.
Well in Eve terms I'd consider myself lawful evil. So, yes.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
RAW23
277
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:29:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:arabella blood wrote:All the market sharks are lawful good? it's curious because most people I meet in real-life don't seem to be lawful at all, they usually tell me that lawfulness is cruel and inhuman. ("lawful good" is of course mediated lawfulness but still ... pretty interesting imo. Either the lawless universe of EVE in general and MD in particular somehow attracts the unusually lawful or the experience of that universe makes people recognize the value of law.)
It's context dependent. The MD loans market relies entirely on its participants adhering scrupulously to a form of 'contract law' and there are almost no examples of occasions when it would be 'good' to break one's word and dishonor the contract. Within this particular environment goodness and lawfulness are closely identified. But if you move out into other areas of the game, or even if you draw MD in as a sub-part of a wider game context, where interests other than the successful operation of the market are at play, then law and good rapidly detach from one another. It's unsurprising that quite a few people who run loans and related business identify as lawful in an MD context because that does describe their behavior here. So, to some extent it is a case of the experience of this particular corner of the eve universe making people recognise the value of law (in this context at least).
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Compulsory Euthanasia
965
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Posted - 2013.10.12 09:11:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Chaotic Good. The rest of you are a bunch of evil people. Well in Eve terms I'd consider myself lawful evil. So, yes.
How is organising Burn Jita anything other than CE? You exemplify CE in-game more than I do.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
RAW23
279
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Posted - 2013.10.12 09:41:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:mynnna wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Chaotic Good. The rest of you are a bunch of evil people. Well in Eve terms I'd consider myself lawful evil. So, yes. How is organising Burn Jita anything other than CE? You exemplify CE in-game more than I do.
Goons operate in quite a tight framework of 'laws' internally. Just because they don't buy into other systems of rules doesn't make them chaotic. Look at their internal cohesion and political structure; it is not a chaotic organisation and, if anything, goes towards the scary extreme of law and order.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1386
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:46:00 -
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I always found lawful evil the hardest alignment to play.
I ~get it, but I always found the application troublesome. I found it sort of presumes a pre-existing position of power from which to exercise your alignment, which i guess works for Goon Overlords.
Also, nerdiest discussion ever.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army
Heretic Initiative
132
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Posted - 2013.10.13 12:30:00 -
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Chaotic Neutral, which I can completely see both in game and IRL. |
Tanuki Kittybeta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:01:00 -
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Neutral Good. /shrug |
Vynxar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
7
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Posted - 2013.10.13 18:19:00 -
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Chaotic good , a shame evil is much more efficient in almost any situation |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1931
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Posted - 2013.10.14 04:24:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:mynnna wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Chaotic Good. The rest of you are a bunch of evil people. Well in Eve terms I'd consider myself lawful evil. So, yes. How is organising Burn Jita anything other than CE? You exemplify CE in-game more than I do. Goons operate in quite a tight framework of 'laws' internally. Just because they don't buy into other systems of rules doesn't make them chaotic. Look at their internal cohesion and political structure; it is not a chaotic organisation and, if anything, goes towards the scary extreme of law and order.
Pretty much this, yes. Within the greater framework of the universe it would be easy to take us as an organization to be CE but it's anything but the case.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Julia Avinte
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.14 14:55:00 -
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mynnna wrote:RAW23 wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:mynnna wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Chaotic Good. The rest of you are a bunch of evil people. Well in Eve terms I'd consider myself lawful evil. So, yes. How is organising Burn Jita anything other than CE? You exemplify CE in-game more than I do. Goons operate in quite a tight framework of 'laws' internally. Just because they don't buy into other systems of rules doesn't make them chaotic. Look at their internal cohesion and political structure; it is not a chaotic organisation and, if anything, goes towards the scary extreme of law and order. Pretty much this, yes. Within the greater framework of the universe it would be easy to take us as an organization to be CE but it's anything but the case.
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Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
893
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:47:00 -
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Lawful Evil... the world exists to serve my interests, not the other way around. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
enterprisePSI
219
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Posted - 2013.10.15 19:19:00 -
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These mortal words cannot describe me.
The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.10.16 01:51:00 -
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True Neutral.
I believe in balance. Life is the meeting of opposite extremes. So to preserve that balance I do whatever I have to, up to and including switching sides to help whomever is the underdog at the moment.
"I was about to say GÇ£HereGÇÖs a RubikGÇÖs cube, go f%$^ yourself,GÇ¥ because thatGÇÖs what we do with EVE Online." EVE Lead Game Designer Kristoffer Touborg for PC Gamer |
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
29
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Posted - 2013.10.16 16:25:00 -
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The aforementioned test resulted in lawful neutral for me, although for some questions I had to pick a choice which didn't fit.
I only played D&D a few times in my youth, so I'm not too familiar with this alignment thing. From the "sound" of it I'd describe myself as somewhere between chaotic and lawful good. That's both ingame and IRL. |
Angeal MacNova
XDraconis CombineX
84
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:56:00 -
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Chaotic Good - I do what I believe to be the right thing regardless of what the law may say. |
Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.10.20 20:00:00 -
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I think IRL I'm Neutral Good with some lawful tendencies. I try to help out whenever possible, and obey the law, but good is the overriding factor to law.
In game, I'm LN. I obey the laws and hunt those who violate them, even if it betrays my standings (I'm a Gallente flying a Caldari ship for Minmatar missions in Amarr space - I'm confused).
In terms of DnD, I love playing the antithesis of my natural tendencies. LE is just such a fun alignment to play, even without a power structure. You're the kind of person everybody loves to hate. In one event, I even turned a Paladin into a Blackguard due to my explanation of my actions. |
Dex Thunakar
Evil Genius Organisation
17
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Posted - 2013.10.21 12:21:00 -
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IRL Chaotic Good 
Angeal MacNova wrote:Chaotic Good - I do what I believe to be the right thing regardless of what the law may say. |
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