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Lelia Tu'nar	Posted - 2003.08.27 09:34:00 - [1] Considering the sheer amount of time needed to get one of these it should without a shadow of a doubt be the ultimate industrial. For next patch, can the Iteron V have an extra 500m3 of space or and extra low slot. At the moment it's not that much better than a bestower and people (like me) who have just finshed training for one feel stupid and cheated. I bet you can count on one hand how many people in EVE have even bothered to train for an Iteron V, it's simply not worth it.
Ana Khouri	Posted - 2003.08.27 10:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Ana Khouri on 27/08/2003 10:36:15 Or even gasp turn down the uber-indy bestower... The bestower has stats what other races lvl3-lvl4 have. Make the bestower into a lvl3 indy and remove his cargo skill bonus - change it to armor or something. free speech not allowed here
Ka'loor	Posted - 2003.08.27 11:36:00 - [3] No the Bestower is not the uberindy you believe it to be, yes i am Amarr, but once war breaks out or bigger battles break out, the Bestowers will become obvious far too fast, it has no place in combat or rather even near it, yes the Bestower beats every other indy in effectiveness, but it doesnt stand up to any damage at all. Using it to haul in .2 space can already become a Bestowers demise, if the pirates show up at the wrong moment. As it stands now, the Bestower is a great indy in peacetime, but nearly worthless when the frigates start shooting. On the other hand, there would be nothing against a 500m¦ cargo increase, or an extra low slot. Also giving it a special ability would be nice too. Attack without mercy, until blood is gone, until life is gone, until the light is gone, unto the shadow itself. Better to die with honor, than to live in shame.
Kerry	Posted - 2003.08.27 11:55:00 - [4] I was going to suggest the same exact thing.. really now, 27 days to train from lvl 4 Indy to LVL 5 Indy??? And we only get a ever so slightly better ship then a Bestower??? That make absolutely no sense what so ever... I don't think that the Bestower should be nerfed but please oh please give a little tiny reward for training Gallente Industrial LVL 5! I am not asking for 500m3 or another slot, I mean something much bigger in addition to those. Please
Kerry	Posted - 2003.08.27 11:57:00 - [5] Ohhhhh I would be happy if you added 30 more grid and a second turrent.....
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:09:00 - [6] "I would be happy if you added 30 more grid and a second turrent....." ... Being it's a Gallente ship, mayhaps giving it some drone space instead of the turret would be more suitable?..
Ana Khouri	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:17:00 - [7] Quote: "I would be happy if you added 30 more grid and a second turrent....." ... Being it's a Gallente ship, mayhaps giving it some drone space instead of the turret would be more suitable?.. Right, and turning it into the wet dream of afk miners. free speech not allowed here
Ana Khouri	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:17:00 - [8] Edited by: Ana Khouri on 27/08/2003 12:19:23 Quote: No the Bestower is not the uberindy you believe it to be, yes i am Amarr, but once war breaks out or bigger battles break out, the Bestowers will become obvious far too fast, it has no place in combat or rather even near it, yes the Bestower beats every other indy in effectiveness, but it doesnt stand up to any damage at all. Using it to haul in .2 space can already become a Bestowers demise, if the pirates show up at the wrong moment. As it stands now, the Bestower is a great indy in peacetime, but nearly worthless when the frigates start shooting. Sorry, but that is no argument. Even a iterion m5 or a badger m2 is most likely dead meat if catched by combat ships without an escort. And even then the bestower has a high suvivalibility compared to all other indys exept the iterion m5 because it can mount a MWD. And don't come me with "MWD are useless now" - they are not. Or let's look at the stats: Bestower - which can be flown after 1 hour training - against the iterion m4 - which needs over one week - 25 less shield - 1 more low slot - the best bonus you can get for an indy (5% cargo per level) - 100 more armor - 150 more cap - 5ms more speed - same cargo, grid, med, high slots Please, tell me - what is the "disdvantage" of a bestower? The 25 less shield? Are you joking? Or have you never bothered to actually compare it to other indys? Ok, the badger m2 has a shield of 400 with it's special, so it will need 2 em cruise missles to bring it down, and not 1 like for the bestower. Big deal. Nevermind that it will be a lot slower than the bestower, which at least has a low chance of escaping if it uses his MWD. The iterion m5 is superior to the bestower, though - as ONLY indy. And needs 1 month to train for. free speech not allowed here
Kennian	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:23:00 - [9] the iteron five is defenetly underpowered. a ideal fix would be a additional turret, a small increase in cargo space and perhaps a small ammount of drone space <it IS gallante> come now, it takes a MONTH to level this beheamoth...give us a REASON to actuly WANT one ]
Gan Ning	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:25:00 - [10] Good idea J0, Even 100m3 of drone space on an Iteron V would make it something worth training 30 days after Lv4 for. I finish my Galantee indy 5 skill tommorow at 7:49am Eve time. And yes I am Caldari. And yes, It took me about 28 days from Lv4. I was using a Badger II which was amazing in shield strength, speed and agility. Next I got an Iteron 4 tears well up. Because it had slightly more cargo. But its a poor indy, poorer than an It 3 in overall performance. I would welcome extra cargo space, an extra low (or high turret) slot or drone space on an iteron v, it has taken a long time and i will let you all know tommorow when i finally get into one.

j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:27:00 - [11] "Right, and turning it into the wet dream of afk miners." ... Hey, anything to cut down on the number of people afk mining in the battleships. ;s
John Zeppe	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:30:00 - [12] What's the point with AFK mining i BATTLESHIPS? 7 turrets, 8 drones, 7 27% expanders - will only take a few minutes to fill it up.
Lelia Tu'nar	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:45:00 - [13] Every indy needs to be different in some way than the others. Drone space on a Iteron v would be good. Alternatively why not add a bonus for the complete Iteron line, 5% drone space per level?
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:46:00 - [14] Edited by: j0sephine on 27/08/2003 12:46:50 "What's the point with AFK mining i BATTLESHIPS? 7 turrets, 8 drones, 7 27% expanders - will only take a few minutes to fill it up." ... given the recent thread about macros in the General section, would dare a guess for some 'tis not as pointless as it appears at the first glance... o.O
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2003.08.27 14:16:00 - [15] Quote: Every indy needs to be different in some way than the others. Drone space on a Iteron v would be good. Alternatively why not add a bonus for the complete Iteron line, 5% drone space per level? That'd be nice, i vote for that, give all Iterons a 5% or maybe even 10% bonus to drone bay ....... coughbut leave the dronebay at 0cough Honestly, why would they give the Iterons some love? Just because you didn't check the stats of the Iteron M5 before you started training the skill ... errr whatever you're smoking, i'll have some please! Btw what about Caldari and Minmatar Indies? Get real and stop that "I have a Iteron M5 so please give it a dronebay for 10harvesters and 8 turrets please"-**** Arthur -- The worst thing you can do when suggesting a solution to a problem is to provide alternatives, people end up arguing the alternatives instead of implementing the fix.
Mynobe Soletae	Posted - 2003.08.27 15:57:00 - [16] Ah, no, my guess is that they will NOT implement any of these ideas and will instead choose to make either "indy level 5 skill", and/or 15,000 cargo space required for them mobile refineries, thus "giving players a reason to train the Iteron MK 5 AND to seek the 27% cargo expander modules".
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.27 16:18:00 - [17] Iteron MK5 IS the best indi, what do you want more?
John Zeppe	Posted - 2003.08.27 16:23:00 - [18] Quote: Iteron MK5 IS the best indi, what do you want more? Maybe that it's more than a few percents better than it's competitor (Bestower) at level 4-5.
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.27 16:33:00 - [19] Quote: Quote: Iteron MK5 IS the best indi, what do you want more? Maybe that it's more than a few percents better than it's competitor (Bestower) at level 4-5. so what? bestower DOES need train to lv4-5 to compete,anything else?
Ana Khouri	Posted - 2003.08.27 20:00:00 - [20] No, not really. Even at lvl3 the bestower has almost as much cyrgo space as the iterion. nevermind that a LEVEL 1 indy has more cargo space than ALL OTHER indys exept the single lvl 5. free speech not allowed here

Kaleb	Posted - 2003.08.27 20:19:00 - [21] We have Indys, other races have EW. Fair trade off. ;p
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.08.27 20:35:00 - [22] Quote: We have Indys, other races have EW. Fair trade off. ;p Hmm. Gallente ships: 3-5 medslots (cruisers/battleships) Minmatar ships: 3-5 medslots (cruisers/battleships) Seems to me only the caldari has EW with the blackbird (6), scorpion (8) and possibly raven (6). Sure, count the badger MK2 in as well...
Benco97	Posted - 2003.08.27 21:14:00 - [23] Hi, If anyone has met me ingame they will know that i am a huge fan of the Iteron in all it's forms. I belive the mk V DOES need some loving, Don't you all start saying things like "You should have checked the stats" That is just rubbish. I think that giving it ANY drone space would be a VERY BAD THING, People complain about afk mining in bs's right? Think of the carnage if i could fill my iteron mk V up fast! There would be nothing left to mine because it would all be in my enormous, Expanded cargo bay. Think about it. A more reasonable answer would be to make the mkV the ONLY ship that will be able to fit the refining unit! People who aren't gallente can fly a mkV so there is no problem. Thanks for reading -------------------------------------------- NEW! 1/1 scale assembled plastic model benco97, Six different poses, Buy one NOW!* *not suitable for people under 21, May include some small parts and/or traces of nut
John Zeppe	Posted - 2003.08.27 21:17:00 - [24] That would suck as well. Think about roleplaying corps/people who follow the story.
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.27 21:20:00 - [25] jesus.....that's a ship,ship doesn't only have capacity, but also armor, speed,agility...etc, Do you guys realize minmatar indis handle like a shuttle? Do you realize badger's heavy defense and EW capability? For gallente/amarr indi, BEST gallente indi is BETTER than BEST amarr indi, still complain? lol.
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2003.08.27 22:38:00 - [26] Quote: speed Mammoths 5%/level velocity bonus doesnt work :/ I have nav 4 (20%) and Indy 4 (20%) should be 110 * 1.2 = 132 * 1.2 = 158.4 base speed actual speed is 132 :/ so I'm only getting the nav bonus :( . ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Ana Khouri	Posted - 2003.08.27 23:18:00 - [27] Edited by: Ana Khouri on 27/08/2003 23:18:37 Quote: For gallente/amarr indi, BEST gallente indi is BETTER than BEST amarr indi, still complain? lol. Yes - because you need for the bestower 1-2 hours training and for the iterion V 1 month. But, hey, we could up the training time for amar BS lvl2 to 1 month and reduce it for gallente battleship lvl2 to 1 day. You shouldn't have to complain there, since the Armageddon IS better than the Megathron, right? free speech not allowed here
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.28 00:12:00 - [28] Quote: Edited by: Ana Khouri on 27/08/2003 23:18:37 Quote: For gallente/amarr indi, BEST gallente indi is BETTER than BEST amarr indi, still complain? lol. Yes - because you need for the bestower 1-2 hours training and for the iterion V 1 month. But, hey, we could up the training time for amar BS lvl2 to 1 month and reduce it for gallente battleship lvl2 to 1 day. You shouldn't have to complain there, since the Armageddon IS better than the Megathron, right? Armageddon IS NOT better than ANY battleship, maybe except typhoon.
Ana Khouri	Posted - 2003.08.28 03:52:00 - [29] Er.. sorry, meant the apoc, not the arma. free speech not allowed here
Darth Maul	Posted - 2003.08.28 09:07:00 - [30] maybe you should have spent less time *****ing on the forums, and more time training Amarr Indy.. then you wouldn't have anything to worry about.



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