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Esturary
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:04:00 -
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Been trying my hand at FW........solo. So far its a big snore. Every plex I scan someone in they run away and Im left playing ring around the rosey. Its only been 24hrs but I cant even get a 1 on 1 let alone a 2 on 1.
I want to give it more time but Im wondering if I should try the piracy aspect......more targets and less restrictions.
As you can see I have been around awhile and have done the null, corp alliance thing. That was just too time consuming and a lot of sitting around waiting on fleets and the like. Just looking for something different in a more casual pvp way on my own terms and time. ISK is not an issue so Im not ISK restricted so thats not why I chose FW to begin with as far as LP goes.
Looking for some advice from the more seasoned FW'ers and Pirates on their views.
Thx. |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:15:00 -
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You can do both. I'm -9. Many people in FW are pirate. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Taoist Dragon
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:41:00 -
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TBH if isk isn't and issue and you don't have a problem with -ve sec status go pirate.
you can still use the FW plex mechanics for fights and you don't automatically 'blue' 1/3 of your potential targets. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Esturary
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:23:00 -
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Hrett wrote:You can do both. I'm -9. Many people in FW are pirate.
What's the advantage to that verses not being in a milita? |
Esturary
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:26:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:TBH if isk isn't and issue and you don't have a problem with -ve sec status go pirate.
you can still use the FW plex mechanics for fights and you don't automatically 'blue' 1/3 of your potential targets.
So then the only thing FW affords me is no sec hit on enemies and less targets. Sort of seems like a no brainier to just be a pirate unless I'm missing something. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.10.10 04:47:00 -
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If you are not finding fights you are plexing in the wrong place and/or at the wrong time of day.
Try Innia around DT. I have it on good advise that Caldari there in that TZ are the 'worst dudes in eve' so you should win easily.
But if you want 1v1's then maybe it is best not to pvp in an MMO. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:45:00 -
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FW lets you engage on gates without gate guns, piracy makes everyone a target in plexes.
Take from that what you will.
Honestly, it really depends on being in a good corp/alliance to enjoy FW. If you're not looking to do the whole corp thing or whatever, then piracy is probably your best bet. Hey! You're no zombie! |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2013.10.10 08:00:00 -
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Even though this is looked down upon. You can both FW and Pirate.
Go join Minimitar and kill Caldari, Gallente and Amar, just dont shoot Minimitar people if you are wanting to avoid standing loss. You will not lose standing for shooting Gallente, you will lose Federal Defense Union standing if you pod them. |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:02:00 -
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There's plenty of targets in FW, and a continuous stream of 1vs1s. Don't stress about the stabbed plexing alts running away, CCP will eventually fix LP farming and meanwhile there's no shortage of combat pilots. Notify-á-á You cannot do that while warping. |
Black Widow Maker
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:51:00 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:Even though this is looked down upon. You can both FW and Pirate.
Go join Minimitar and kill Caldari, Gallente and Amar, just dont shoot Minimitar people if you are wanting to avoid standing loss. You will not lose standing for shooting Gallente, you will lose Federal Defense Union standing if you pod them.
Why would you do this? If I see a purple tag I dont shoot it considering we are "SUPPOSED" to be on the same "team" achieving the same goals.....however if I was shot upon that would be a different story. |
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:53:00 -
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Esturary wrote:Hrett wrote:You can do both. I'm -9. Many people in FW are pirate. What's the advantage to that verses not being in a milita? - you get LP for killing targets - you have access to plexes and missions (easier ISK for PvP) |
Esturary
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:56:00 -
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I guess I have some options both pro and con for both sides of the fence. I guess I will stick it out in FW and give it a week and see what happens.
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:00:00 -
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GalMil gets plenty of fights. Ibanez is right that if you hang around Eha / Innia you'll get plenty of fights. Lots of pirates base out of Kinakka, and it looks like Evoke moved into Vlillirier recently as well.
Other commenters are also correct that you'll have a lot more fun in FW if you get into a decent corp. Genstar, SPDR, Quantum Cats, Justified Chaos and any of the Villore Accords corps will generally be a good home, and you should have no problem getting fights.
FW's advantage over pure pirate is:
- no gate guns against war targets - easier isk from plexes / missions
Pirate advantage over FW is:
- more targets |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:10:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:GalMil gets plenty of fights. Ibanez is right that if you hang around Eha / Innia you'll get plenty of fights. Lots of pirates base out of Kinakka, and it looks like Evoke moved into Vlillirier recently as well.
Other commenters are also correct that you'll have a lot more fun in FW if you get into a decent corp. Genstar, SPDR, Quantum Cats, Justified Chaos and any of the Villore Accords corps will generally be a good home, and you should have no problem getting fights.
FW's advantage over pure pirate is:
- no gate guns against war targets - easier isk from plexes / missions
Pirate advantage over FW is:
- more targets
+ docking anywhere the hell you like when the gf moans.... |
Vivian Marcos
The Leauge Of Surprisingly Well Dressed Men Suit Up.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:22:00 -
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Well the thing with being a pirate is your are gonna be chasing duders into and out of plexes quite a bit, a lot like FW people do. You can fight other pirates now so the bigger question is, do you see enough of your own militia around that dont use stabs and fly in manageable groups, that if you were a pirate, you could take down.
A lot of gallente players have stabs fitted as well >.>, you tend to not see that because they tend not to run away from their friendlies.
Also, FW makes a lot of isk and has cheap faction ships. If your a comet fan, then just a could of medium plexes and that is 2/3 comets to explode, only at the price of fittings/incursus/chip. Because you tend to get higher standings, you can also buy jump clones easier than everywhere else. You dont gain to many ways of income switching to pirating.
The biggest advantage is the "freedom" of being a pirate and not having your assets locked out >.> But if you join a respectable alliance/corp, you wont have that problem of assets being locked as your staging system will stay low in the contest value. Hey sky, get back to work! U 2 cips.... |
Esturary
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:46:00 -
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All good replies. Thanks for all the input.
As mentioned before Im going to give it a week or two and see how it goes. One day is not enough to go on. Even though at this point in my skill point career (100 Mil) where I can fly just about anything Im just gonna stick with the T1 Frigates for the hell of it until I get the hang of things. Then maybe Ill bump up to the T2 once I see how things work.
It's really a nice change of pace not having to worry about what ship to fly and setup when a T1 frigate will work great in this scenario. |
Vricrolatious
Black Dragon Corsairs
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Posted - 2013.10.16 20:40:00 -
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Esturary wrote:All good replies. Thanks for all the input.
As mentioned before Im going to give it a week or two and see how it goes. One day is not enough to go on. Even though at this point in my skill point career (100 Mil) where I can fly just about anything Im just gonna stick with the T1 Frigates for the hell of it until I get the hang of things. Then maybe Ill bump up to the T2 once I see how things work.
It's really a nice change of pace not having to worry about what ship to fly and setup when a T1 frigate will work great in this scenario.
I recently left my nullsec corp / alliance to start doing FW with a secondary objective of piracy. I get a decent amount of targets that are fair game anywhere and I can still shoot neutrals as well. I look at it as a win win as far as casual PvP goes. I'm terrible at PvP to begin with, but at least going this route I can use T1 frigates and cruisers and not worry about losing massive amounts of isk AND politics are not an issue anymore, which makes the pool of neutrals much better for someone that's spent the last couple years deep in nullsec.
But with anything in EVE, it comes down to what you find fun.
Either way, good hunting. WIDot, Best Dot, Even Sans Dot! -Vric |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:06:00 -
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Black Widow Maker wrote:Sean Parisi wrote:Even though this is looked down upon. You can both FW and Pirate.
Go join Minimitar and kill Caldari, Gallente and Amar, just dont shoot Minimitar people if you are wanting to avoid standing loss. You will not lose standing for shooting Gallente, you will lose Federal Defense Union standing if you pod them. Why would you do this? If I see a purple tag I dont shoot it considering we are "SUPPOSED" to be on the same "team" achieving the same goals.....however if I was shot upon that would be a different story.
Bad question. I don't approve it it myself. But OP is asking for ways to do things, I provided an answer. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1385
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Posted - 2013.10.16 23:49:00 -
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I can go into an system belonging to the opposing militia, open a plex, and wait. I will get a fight sooner or later from WT or pirates. The more important the system the faster I'll get a fight. FW also offers at the least the equivalent of a ship replacement program.
On the other side of the coin no one really gives a damn if a pirate opens a plex. You have to hunt for targets more as well as find alternate methods of income generation. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1558
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Posted - 2013.10.16 23:56:00 -
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Being a pirate = Never having gateguns on your side and being a viable target for everyone no matter what they are in.
Pretty sure being a pirate is manmode. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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Raptors Mole
Space Mutts The Wolfpack Nexus
164
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:12:00 -
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Whichever way you decide to go, fly a T1 frig that way you'll get engaged more often. In a hookbill I rarely get a fight, In a tormentor, there is generally a que ) |
Major Killz
La Fraternite
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:48:00 -
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You'll find you're engaged more and will find more engagements as an outlaw. You can be an outlaw while in factional warfare though. The downside to that is you've limited your targets because it's probably not wise to shoot your own militia and that's only a problem if you care about stating in said militia.
The outlaw lifestyle is also more challenging compared to factional warfare. Less or no friends to back up you or your corporation.
Also to clear things up. I've been referring to an "outlaw" lifestyle and NOT PIRACY per say.
The height of piracy is being able to earn a living threw combat. Basically being able to pay for 1 account and ships for a month threw COMBAT ALONE. Not many achieve that but when they do its generally threw "riskless pvp" which was how ye old vikings use to do things. Risk versus reward and what not.
If that's not your aim and you have a negative sec standing. Then you're just an outlaw + warrior/pvper or whatever else you'd like to tack on to that title. There can be many forms of outlawing v0v - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1565
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:01:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:You'll find you're engaged more and will find more engagements as an outlaw. You can be an outlaw while in factional warfare though. The downside to that is you've limited your targets because it's probably not wise to shoot your own militia and that's only a problem if you care about stating in said militia.
The outlaw lifestyle is also more challenging compared to factional warfare. Less or no friends to back up you or your corporation.
Also to clear things up. I've been referring to an "outlaw" lifestyle and NOT PIRACY per say.
The height of piracy is being able to earn a living threw combat. Basically being able to pay for 1 account and ships for a month threw COMBAT ALONE. Not many achieve that but when they do its generally threw "riskless pvp" which was how ye old vikings use to do things. Risk versus reward and what not.
If that's not your aim and you have a negative sec standing. Then you're just an outlaw + warrior/pvper or whatever else you'd like to tack on to that title. There can be many forms of outlawing v0v
Hey! Cutting down monks was hard work back in the day!
Some of them were fat.. looooads to cut through! BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
111
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:24:00 -
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I did the solo casual pvp thing in Gal / Cal militia while neutral. There are definitely a lot of targets, however not being to engage on gates is annoying, and you'll almost always engage 2+ hostiles while solo.
The other issue is, of course, ISK generation. Getting LP for killing WT's is pretty cool, instead of having to live off the loot you scoop from kills.
Either way, you'll have more action in this warzone than anywhere else in Eve (IMO). |
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