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Forum Mcforum State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:43:00 - [1] - Quote For some time there has been mention of CCP bumping up plex prices, but I was having a discussion with a friend last night, about what would happen if every plex on the market was used?? There is probabally a large amount of plex on the market, but also a large amount of people who use isk to play eve, myself included - I refuse to use real cash to play eve. now half way through the conversation we realised that everyone couldn't pay by plex, as the market would run empty (if ccp do seed this they would lose money.) but how big a player loss do you think would occur if everyone would be forced to pay with cash rather than plex??? personally I think it would be a huge noticeable thing, but if this started to happen would CCP seed the market, even though they would lose income???
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech 756	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:45:00 - [2] - Quote You are aware that all PLEX originate from sales right? They are not randomly spawned. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
Literally Space Moses One Man Incursion Corp. 61	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:46:00 - [3] - Quote The price would spike, people would buy more plex and put them on sale. #T2013
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 726	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:46:00 - [4] - Quote Expect more hoarding :) WHen CCP goes bankrupt, just file all your PLEX claims to the liquidator, I don't think thats been tried yet :) Could get interesting.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1249	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:47:00 - [5] - Quote The more people pay for gametime with PLEXes, the higher the demand, the higher the PLEX price, the more profitable is it to buy PLEX to sell for ISK, the more PLEXes enter the game. I don't see a situation where we literally run out of all PLEXes ever happening.
Forum Mcforum State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:47:00 - [6] - Quote seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream? abdeil im talking hypothetically what do you think? edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 726	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:48:00 - [7] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream? abdeil im talking hypothetically what do you think? You care too much for something that isn't yours.
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT 2096	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:49:00 - [8] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream? abdeil im talking hypothetically what do you think? I think you don't know how PLEX gets into the game. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1249	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:51:00 - [9] - Quote What would happen if every single Rifter was bought off the market? People would just build more. What would happen if every single PLEX was bought off the market? People would just buy more.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1249	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:53:00 - [10] - Quote But yeah, hypothetically speaking, if literally every player in the game decided that CCP company policies are so abhorrent that they won't give them a cent again, whether for PLEX or for subs, then yeah, CCP would be SOL. No money = no company, and spawning virtual pixels won't change that.

Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1249	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:58:00 - [11] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money I use real money, and you're talking to me. I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month.
March rabbit epTa Team Inc. 798	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:00:00 - [12] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: For some time there has been mention of CCP bumping up plex prices, but I was having a discussion with a friend last night, about what would happen if every plex on the market was used?? i don't think it is possible. When supply of PLEX will go deplete price will skyrocket. So at the end there will be PLEXes on market with price "almost" nobody will want to pay. Forum Mcforum wrote: There is probabally a large amount of plex on the market, but also a large amount of people who use isk to play eve, myself included - I refuse to use real cash to play eve. i guess we will miss you then
Forum Mcforum State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:02:00 - [13] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: Forum Mcforum wrote: edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money I use real money, and you're talking to me. I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month. fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-) also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding?
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 1756	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:10:00 - [14] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: Forum Mcforum wrote: edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money I use real money, and you're talking to me. I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month. fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-) also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding? Considering that it doesn't take the majority of people even three hours of RL work to pay for a sub, 10 hours of playing a game just to pay for it is indeed grinding. That's 10 hours that you must play, doing whatever high income activity you do, or you don't get to play again next month. On the other hand, someone who pays cash for their sub can feel free to play as much or as little as they like, and has no minimum time that they must spend doing any one thing. Ultimately, pay for EVE how you like; I sell PLEX to folks like you, and spend the 10 hours I saved not grinding it using that isk to get ships detonated, because that's what I find fun. If you find PVE fun and don't want to pay cash to sub, those things go hand in hand quite well. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.
Icarus Able Traverse Holdings 119	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:13:00 - [15] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: Forum Mcforum wrote: edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money I use real money, and you're talking to me. I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month. fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-) also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding? For someone who doesnt have a whole lot of time to play. Any anyway its only 1 hour a month in RL money so.. Anyway if CCP stopped selling PLEX then i doubt that many people would leave. You say all big and pouty now that you refuse to pay RL money for the game but i reckon if that did happen you and all the other people who pay with PLEX would sub. Well maybe not all but most.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge 1381	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:20:00 - [16] - Quote If it takes you 10 hours a month to earn the isk to not pay, what is it that you value your time at, like $1.50-2.00 an hour? I haven't paid money for game time in a long time, and I value my time much more than that. People will pay any amount of isk for plex. If prices go "too high" CCP will run sales. But even if they never did that, the market would work fine. The higher plex costs in isk, the more plex will be sold by CCP, and the more plex would appear in the market to eventually bring down prices. What if the system broke? It would take a structural issue of lack of confidence or fear to cause this, on the level of people questioning the very survival of the game. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did.
Aiwha Infinite Point Nulli Secunda 580	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:25:00 - [17] - Quote The price would rise to the point that people would want to buy plex with IRL cash to get the isk. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
Nyan Lafisques Legion Du Lys Insidious Empire 0	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:27:00 - [18] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: Forum Mcforum wrote: edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money I use real money, and you're talking to me. I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month. fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-) also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding? 10 hours to grind 600 million isks when you could just grind 1 hour a month IRL instead. I'd rather spend that 10 hours playing the game instead of grinding so I can play another month, even if during that 10 hours I grind ISK, that isk will go in funding my fun stuff instead.
Baggo Hammers 140	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:52:00 - [19] - Quote I love when proles do economic speculation! If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Seven Koskanaiken Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas 386	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:04:00 - [20] - Quote PLEX is just a type of gift voucher, ie someone else is paying for your ****. It gets sold, or sold to resellers, and CCP bank the cash. They now have a liability for game time. When the plex is consumed the liaiblity is reduced. So not much would happen. Possibly they might earn more from the plex but I don't know the priceperunit they sell GTC to resellers at. Obviously since everyone is paying in plex they can afford to buy the plex so the isk value isn't relevant to the CCP income stream, although this would require people consuming plex they got from GTC not from eve market.

Revman Zim Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 204	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:07:00 - [21] - Quote Q: What would happen if everyone paid with PLEX? A: CCP's revenues would increase by at least 30% and as much as 45%. Apparently you do not understand how PLEX works, so I will break it down for you. I pay for my account with a credit card and usually pay in 6 month increments. it is 71 USD to do so, which breaks down to a little over 11 USD per month. However, if you pay month to month it is 14.95 USD per month. PLEXs are created by a player who takes out his credit card and buys PLEX through the Account Management page. Right now 1 PLEX costs 19.95 USD. He then redeems that PLEX in game, puts it on the market and someone who pays for Game Time with plex buys it at the going rate. SO. If EVERYONE were to use PLEX for game time, CCP would be getting 19.95 USD per month PER PLAYER. Vice something considerably less. Hope this helps.
LittleTerror Illuminated Foundation Trust 104	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:08:00 - [22] - Quote ugh stupid thread, does not need more words than this.
Montevius Williams The Scope Gallente Federation 628	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:11:00 - [23] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: Forum Mcforum wrote: edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money I use real money, and you're talking to me. I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month. fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-) also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding? You dont understand how plex works. It's not randomly spawned. Someone pays for plex and plex cost more than the base subscription. Every plex that's in game has been paid for, ie, revenue. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 2651	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:20:00 - [24] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: But yeah, hypothetically speaking, if literally every player in the game decided that CCP company policies are so abhorrent that they won't give them a cent again, whether for PLEX or for subs, then yeah, CCP would be SOL. No money = no company, and spawning virtual pixels won't change that. If CCP sold so many PLEX that they were worthless on the market SOL would be how you describe the players that purchased them... CCP on the other hand would have a hell of a lot of cash. I still listen to Depeche Mode. F U.
John Tomplin EVE University Ivy League 6	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:38:00 - [25] - Quote I am not afraid to an extra hour or two, or just not feed the cat (kidding) if my hobbies need an extra twenty or forty dollars. I put a lot of time into EVE, that's all. If I went half price on every scale military model I built, they would have just sucked. I am not a rich man, and never will be, I just don't get the mentality of so many people that "I will never pay for my past-time". If you can get it for free, though, without putting in a lot of effort I say go for it of course. This brings up the issue of what you buy plex for in-game and not. Sometimes people just bankroll themselves. I really don't think this offers much of an advantage in EVE however (to a lone PVP player), so the issue isn't big in my opinion. I am thinking less of players on their own and more of PLEX bought for events that further groups in the game though. ____________________________________________________________ The Teacher: Part One
dethleffs Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 258	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:12:00 - [26] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: Forum Mcforum wrote: edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money I use real money, and you're talking to me. I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month. fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-) also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding? What I dont understand is that you post a thread and then ignore all the answers given. Your question was answered in the second post. Theres nothing to discuss anymore.
Mohadib Flagrante Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:30:00 - [27] - Quote It usually only takes me an hour or two too make enough for a PLEX, but I typically pay real money anyways.... Would rather buy more ships too get blown up in.
Gealbhan True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 440	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:33:00 - [28] - Quote Nothing of any note would happen. CCP would still get paid etc.
SpoonRECKLESS Bumper R Us 66	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:46:00 - [29] - Quote Forum Mcforum wrote: seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream? abdeil im talking hypothetically what do you think? edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money wha eh? You know people buy plexe with currency like cash credit cards and prepaid cards. So CCP won't lose money if everyone goes plexe instead of sub. Blue
Kirluin Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:49:00 - [30] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: Forum Mcforum wrote: edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money I use real money, and you're talking to me. I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month. This ++ I have to say the plex concept is a genius '"free to play" implementation. it's win-win all around, unlike other games with their horrible pay2win microtransactions.



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