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A Research Alt
Perkone
Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:18:00 -
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When you kill a player's ship or are involved in its destruction, you lose approximately .3-.4 of your sec status, regardless of whether the ship is worth 5 million or 50 billion ISK.
When you kill a pod, you lose 2.5 or so of your sec status,whether the pod has no implants or a full set of crystals (~3 billion).
This security status loss does not appear to have any bearing on the value of the ISK destroyed nor the severity (or lack thereof) of the crime committed.
What this means is that you can blow up billions of ISK worth of ships, but shoot so much as a single alpha-clone pod and you can expect a security status loss commensurate with having murdered 10 to 15 highsec ships.
This doesn't make any sense. Podkilling shouldn't be incurring so much of a loss--what's so devastating about it compared to the ISK loss from ships like a 50 billion ISK freighter? Meanwhile, pilots who shoot such expensive ships get off with the slightest of scratches to their security status.
The solution: lessen pod security status loss to -1.0 or so, while increasing security status loss for ship destruction to twice what it is already--so -.6 or so. Pod killing is unjustly penalized, while ship killing is too lightly penalized. This change can fix that problem. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1801
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:24:00 -
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The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
A Research Alt
Perkone
Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:26:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec.
Alas, if only I could make everyone else do the same. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1801
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:30:00 -
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A Research Alt wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec. Alas, if only I could make everyone else do the same.
You needn't make them do anything; let them have their cesspool of false safety.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
A Research Alt
Perkone
Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:35:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:A Research Alt wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec. Alas, if only I could make everyone else do the same. You needn't make them do anything; let them have their cesspool of false safety.
No. I won't. It's too easy for them to earn money there; too easy for them to grow rich and fat without penalty; too difficult to engage and destroy some while too easy to annihilate others. |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
Filthy Bastards
1533
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Posted - 2013.10.13 09:23:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec.
And what about low-sec, where you still lose sec status for attacking people?
You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
56124
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Posted - 2013.10.13 10:50:00 -
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I personally don't wanna hear about this Luxury Problem.
Especially now that you can buy back your sec status with ISK.
Gimme a break. 
Peter Marshall: Back in the 1870s, Emile Berliner invented something, and without it, I wouldn't be able to do my job. What was it?
-á Paul Lynde:-á ...Makeup? Capped teeth? Loud sports jackets? |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
120
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Posted - 2013.10.13 10:51:00 -
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Tell me do you think its ok or not as bad to murder poor people in the real world? |
Kate stark
616
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Posted - 2013.10.13 11:37:00 -
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wardec them.
Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
167
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Posted - 2013.10.13 11:46:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:Tell me do you think its ok or not as bad to murder poor people in the real world?
Killing a ship is the equivalent of burning someones car. Killing a pod is equivalent to murder. Of course theres those pesky crews to think about but they pretty much sign their life over anyway.
I sure hope you are trolling /being sarcastic and that you can in fact spot the moral differences between the following.
1. Taking someones pawn in chess.
2. Shooting someones pixel spaceship in a spaceship shooting game.
3. Burning someones car IRL
4. Killing poor people IRL.
i am hungover today so for my own piece of mind i am going to go about the rst of my day assuming i was too stupid to spot the telltale sarcasm signs. |
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Sorao Soreen
Section 496
15
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Posted - 2013.10.13 11:46:00 -
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posting in a stealth nerf sec hit for ganking in highsec post
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1272
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Posted - 2013.10.13 11:52:00 -
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Why is this even a problem?
-10 means nothing, it's just like a tatoo or a monocle show off to say others you're a special nerd in a special group.
Nothing to fuss about.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Lightspeed Champion
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2013.10.13 11:58:00 -
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Gank miners.
They tend to have their drones set to aggressive.
That limited-engagement-timer means no Sec loss.
Job's a good'un.
Send any badposting-hate-mail to Sol Kal'orr. I promise to read it when I resub. |
Lightspeed Champion
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2013.10.13 11:59:00 -
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Sorao Soreen wrote:posting in a stealth nerf sec hit for ganking in highsec post
There was no stealth about it.
Send any badposting-hate-mail to Sol Kal'orr. I promise to read it when I resub. |
Lightspeed Champion
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2013.10.13 12:04:00 -
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Ganking as an outlaw is harder but the fun is in the challenge, right?
(Challenge in this context means the odds are massively weighted in the potentially-ganked-player's favour.)
Send any badposting-hate-mail to Sol Kal'orr. I promise to read it when I resub. |
Naydra Adni
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.10.13 12:11:00 -
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ganker tears.... yummmmmmmm!!!
ya big cry baby |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16993
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:12:00 -
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A Research Alt wrote:This security status loss does not appear to have any bearing on the value of the ISK destroyed nor the severity (or lack thereof) of the crime committed. Of course not.
Your decision in how much ISK value you choose to cart around in the galaxy is meant to provide increased risks for you, not for the attacker. it is not meant to be a shield to hide behind.
He's being punished for attacking another player's ship or pod, because that's really the only thing that matters on his end. How much you've chosen to lose today is your problem and your problem alone GÇö there's no reason it should have any bearing on him.
As for the ship vs. pod distinction, one just makes you lose a bit of ISK; the other puts months worth of actual time at risk. If you lose a ship, you can just buy a new one and be on your way; recovery is trivial. If you lose two weeks of training, you now have to retrain those two weeks and will forever more be two weeks behind where you could have been; recovery is impossible because that time is gone forever. So of course the latter is punished more than the former.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1804
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:51:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec. And what about low-sec, where you still lose sec status for attacking people?
What about it? Sec status means nothing in lowsec.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
A Research Alt
Perkone
Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2013.10.13 16:24:00 -
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I still don't see why CCP doesn't add a "Lawyer" skill that reduces security status lost on aggression by 5% per level. |
PhatController
Mum Rider Alliance
43
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Posted - 2013.10.13 19:24:00 -
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Why would the worth of the ship/pod have anything to do with your sec status hit? |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
Self Sabatoge
1494
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Posted - 2013.10.13 19:29:00 -
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A Research Alt wrote:I still don't see why CCP doesn't add a "Lawyer" skill that reduces security status lost on aggression by 5% per level.
Such a feature should allow us to pay a high retainer, such as 1 billion isk, for a lawyer agent to represent us and negate all sec status losses. Those of us with isk should not have to endure the penalties the masses face or have to bother with turning in tags. At the very least, let us have people do that for us.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
voetius
Ordo Drakonis
Nulli Secunda
95
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Posted - 2013.10.13 20:23:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:A Research Alt wrote:I still don't see why CCP doesn't add a "Lawyer" skill that reduces security status lost on aggression by 5% per level. Such a feature should allow us to pay a high retainer, such as 1 billion isk, for a lawyer agent to represent us and negate all sec status losses. Those of us with isk should not have to endure the penalties the masses face or have to bother with turning in tags. At the very least, let us have people do that for us.
That would be a nice isk sink and it's not that cheap. |
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
636
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Posted - 2013.10.13 21:08:00 -
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A Research Alt wrote:When you kill a player's ship or are involved in its destruction, you lose approximately .3-.4 of your sec status, regardless of whether the ship is worth 5 million or 50 billion ISK.
When you kill a pod, you lose 2.5 or so of your sec status,whether the pod has no implants or a full set of crystals (~3 billion).
This security status loss does not appear to have any bearing on the value of the ISK destroyed nor the severity (or lack thereof) of the crime committed.
What this means is that you can blow up billions of ISK worth of ships, but shoot so much as a single alpha-clone pod and you can expect a security status loss commensurate with having murdered 10 to 15 highsec ships.
This doesn't make any sense. Podkilling shouldn't be incurring so much of a loss--what's so devastating about it compared to the ISK loss from ships like a 50 billion ISK freighter? Meanwhile, pilots who shoot such expensive ships get off with the slightest of scratches to their security status.
The solution: lessen pod security status loss to -1.0 or so, while increasing security status loss for ship destruction to twice what it is already--so -.6 or so. Pod killing is unjustly penalized, while ship killing is too lightly penalized. This change can fix that problem.
When you kill John Doe from next door, you're probably going to get life in prison
When you kill the President of the United States, you're probably going to get life in Prison.
It doesn't matter the value of ship/pod...what you did was illegal either way, so you must pay the piper to the fullest extent of the law.
What did we learn? Dont kill people.
"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
Filthy Bastards
1535
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Posted - 2013.10.14 02:27:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec. And what about low-sec, where you still lose sec status for attacking people? What about it? Sec status means nothing in lowsec.
People with low sec status can be attacked without repercussions in low sec. I'm not complaining about it but it does show that sec status does mean something.
You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
757
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Posted - 2013.10.14 04:12:00 -
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Posting in a stealth "Nerf Highsec" thread.
A highsec pod is more likely implanted than a low/null pilot.
A highsec pod is more likely to have forgotten to update a clone, since they do it much less often.
Higher risk, higher cost to pod.....
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:(
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
892
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Posted - 2013.10.14 04:47:00 -
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.... grrrrrrrrrr, CONCORD...
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production
Headshot Gaming
43
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Posted - 2013.10.14 05:24:00 -
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Not to mentioned that Pods have no defence.
With your ship you have a option to Tank it , Fit stabs , or fit to shoot back ect ect. What can you Pod to (other than warp away) .
PS. Why complain at all. If you don't want the sec hit then don't shoot the pod. Its not like it has any loot you can pilfer or that you have to put much effort in.(most Miners are AFK so its not like they warp away) |
Kialopreyst
Hole Exploitation Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.10.14 05:48:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I personally don't wanna hear about this Luxury Problem. Especially now that you can buy back your sec status with ISK.Gimme a break.
Sure, you can buy back your nice 0.0 sec rating for 1b, or you can spend 2 days AFK ratting it back and make 1.8b instead. |
Linna Baresi
18
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:10:00 -
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The general principle is (and ought to be) that everyone is equal under the law, and that the murderer of of a pauper should be persecuted with as much vigor as the murderer of a billionaire. That's realism for you. Working as intended, don't fix.
Now if you automatically got a BOUNTY commensurate with the amount of ISK you just destroyed, that's another kettle of fish.
Member of <Fated> since 2003
fated.europefreeforum.com |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
166
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:12:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:The solution you're looking for is to leave high sec. And what about low-sec, where you still lose sec status for attacking people? What about it? Sec status means nothing in lowsec.
Sentry guns.
It's not a huge deal though, it's less "it sucks people can shoot me on gate" and more "I sure wish I could shoot other people on gate"
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