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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.08.27 23:27:00 -
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What is the CCP Effect, you might ask? That's when CCP takes a feature everyone was happy with and screws around with it causing a new hodge-podge of bugs. Here's a run-down of the issues I saw on Chaos today regarding the GUI:
* If I move the scroll bar very quickly when looking at a hanger, the hanger window breaks and I can't see anything in it.
* The feature where you could click anywhere in the scroll bar to move view there is mysteriously gone.
* Ship info windows are now missing key stats like shield, armor, and hull hit-points.
* When talking in a channel, whoever posts after I do has my portrait icon.
* People's name/portrait take up too much space in lists. There's so much blank space between each name on the list that is unnecessary.
That's all I've seen so far, I'll add more (and write up more bug reports as I see them). Frankly, I'm wondering why the GUI is being changed? It looked great and worked beautifully before.
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Valeria
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Posted - 2003.08.28 01:49:00 -
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Also, often when changing between multiple chat channels, everything posted in the one you're changing from will dissapear and you will no longer be able to see what people write there, despite the channel tab flashing, indicating something was written.
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CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2003.08.28 02:35:00 -
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Your stupid.
This new UI is a work in progress, quit *****ing about the bugs on the forums and forward them to redundancy or traveler so they can be fixed.
Feh. Your not helping the testing progress by screaming about how the features are ****** up before the patch is even released into the wild.
Sales Manager for Expanded Minds Inc - We suffer the tedium of R&D so you dont have to |
Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.08.28 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Rising Sin on 28/08/2003 02:55:35
Thanks for the flame, dude. Take a look at this forum - it's called "Patch Review" - and low and behold, that's exactly what I'm doing - reviewing the current Chaos patch. People do that here all the time. If I throw in my personal opinion of patch, whether or not everybody agrees with my points, you're free to argue with my opinion... but personal assault? Come on. Take your trolling elsewhere please.
By the way moderators, it's cool if you delete this reply along with this guy's.
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Bashar
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Posted - 2003.08.28 04:38:00 -
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"What is the CCP Effect, you might ask? That's when CCP takes a feature everyone was happy with and screws around with it causing a new hodge-podge of bugs. "
"you're free to argue with my opinion... but personal assault? Come on. Take your trolling elsewhere please."
Although he (CHUMSICLE) did an even worse job of expressing himself in a polite and concise manner, I think his point was that perhaps you should stick just to reviewing the patch, if you can't express your "personal opinion" constructively...to me your post title and first line looked an awful lot like a deliberate personal attack on CCP inviting all sorts of flamage...so why are you suprised/upset when someone did the same to you?
Don't get me wrong I'm not ALWAYS happy with or impressed by the stuff CCP does, and although I may joke about their incompetance in private, I do realize that everyone, even me  sometimes screws up....which is what we call it when they have to do a rollback due to a bad patch...however this is a test patch on the test server...it is a work in progress and problems/issues are to be expected..that is after all the whole point of the test server and this forum.
Play nice and you will invite less flames
Bashar
regards,
Bashar Miles Teg
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.28 04:50:00 -
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sin reviewed the patch and reported the bug, then here's come the flaming fanbois.....
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2003.08.28 05:54:00 -
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it could be argued that those who spent any time in the beta phases are quite familiar with "the ccp effect"  they work hard at it and I give them credit for getting the vast majority of the wrinkles out in the end .. but they are very good at making bugs in the first place
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ClawHammer III
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Posted - 2003.08.28 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: ClawHammer III on 28/08/2003 07:36:45
I agree with Rising Sin 100% here. I see no reason why CCP had to mess with the GUI. It was perfectly fine before. The new style/bugs are very annoying.
There is no reason to flame this topic. Sin is expressing his opinion and observations about the current chaos build which is what this forum is for.
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 08:19:00 -
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Mmmmmm 1165 GUI.
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Belarius
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Posted - 2003.08.28 08:34:00 -
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Also noticed in character screen that the total skill points no longer show, please make sure that is put back.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.28 09:51:00 -
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"* If I move the scroll bar very quickly when looking at a hanger, the hanger window breaks and I can't see anything in it."
Even worse, it seems to affect all windows this way. Scrolling down chat channels is v.likely to cause the same effect, requiring log off/log in to make them work again.
Also, switching between stacked chat windows causes the scroll bar of activated tab to move to the very beginning... so in order to see current conversation you have to manually scroll down, usually invoking the mentioned bug.
"* Ship info windows are now missing key stats like shield, armor, and hull hit-points."
No information about skills required to operate given ship/module as well.
"* When talking in a channel, whoever posts after I do has my portrait icon."
This happens for people whose icons haven't been loaded yet. Seems they are instead given last 'active' icon, i.e. the person who was speaking most recently. (or the one whose info was recently checked)
"* People's name/portrait take up too much space in lists. There's so much blank space between each name on the list that is unnecessary."
Agreed; they are nicer to look at but make it impossible to quickly check who's present in the given channel. (quite important when it comes to local :s)
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.08.28 11:09:00 -
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TBH I hate this. The old GUI was perfect (okay, a few glitches in a few places I suppose). The new one is a lot worse.
* Missing stats*
* Not as pretty
* LARGE portraits
* Charsheet doesn't display skillpoints*
* Charsheet doesn't display training skills*
I suppose the *'s will get fixed, hopefully the other issues as well... But I still like the old GUI.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.08.28 11:43:00 -
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Did anyone try it in windowed mode? Do so, switch to your browser and scroll - surprise, surprise. All blurred then.
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Faramir
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Posted - 2003.08.28 11:54:00 -
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I would like to add:
- When changing chat-windows you always start at the top of the window, never where the conversation(s) currently are.
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: GraveDigger on 28/08/2003 12:12:09
I don't agree... I think the new GUI is much cleaner and easyer to look at. they did a great job on the inbox,medical,reprocessing plant,member details and applications all look realy great... give them some time, they will work out all the bugs.. P.S./ the thing I don't like in the new Build is the rate of fire for projectile weapons....my 650mm are slow as ****. my rate of fire was doubled
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Faramir
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:23:00 -
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update: 1186 >> fast scrolling seems to be fixed... chat stays visible
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:50:00 -
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Yeah, I like the new GUI.
Offcourse there are bugs, that's why we're here. To test them and help CCP remove them.
They can't test the stuff completely before they send it to chaos, that would take way too much time.
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EvePlayer 13
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Posted - 2003.08.28 14:40:00 -
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Yeah, I like the new GUI.
Offcourse there are bugs, that's why we're here. To test them and help CCP remove them.
They can't test the stuff completely before they send it to chaos, that would take way too much time.
I beg to differ. Testing CCP's numerous bugs is NOT why we are here. It is a sad day when paying customers must spend game time playing on a test server in order to insure that some testing is done prior to patching the live server. Yes, I do test and report bugs. However CCP SHOULD have a real QC department to do this. So please don't sit here and try to tell me that is why we are here. If we have to do the testing then CCP should be paying for our accounts on TQ as well.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.28 14:54:00 -
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"update: 1186 >> fast scrolling seems to be fixed... chat stays visible"
... Not quite fixed, would say; when scrolling fast, eventually only the top line of text is being shown and it stays like this after one stops scrolling... 'tis can be fixed by the scrolling a bit up and finally down again to force the refresh, but still rather unconvenient.
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nono
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:08:00 -
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Yeah, I like the new GUI.
Offcourse there are bugs, that's why we're here. To test them and help CCP remove them.
They can't test the stuff completely before they send it to chaos, that would take way too much time.
I beg to differ. Testing CCP's numerous bugs is NOT why we are here. It is a sad day when paying customers must spend game time playing on a test server in order to insure that some testing is done prior to patching the live server. Yes, I do test and report bugs. However CCP SHOULD have a real QC department to do this. So please don't sit here and try to tell me that is why we are here. If we have to do the testing then CCP should be paying for our accounts on TQ as well.
You have to excuse Erty.
I think it's the medication.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.28 18:43:00 -
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I'm actually quite happy with the existing GUI. I don't see much need for them to spend time making a new one when there are so many other things I'd rather see :)
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.08.28 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mynobe Soletae on 28/08/2003 19:48:41
1186
Attributes still get lowered when switching ships.
Research window doesn't display progress, bill of materials, or actually any other information besides what blueprint is installed.
In Research/Factory window, the drop-down window allowing you to choose the hangar can still only display 5 hangars, even though there are 7 in every corp.
In Research, the drop-down window where you choose job type is too narrow, so the words "Research Mineral Efficiency" are cut down to "Research Miner".
Market doesn't display quantities owned and pricing in the "Grouplist" window.
Related to the scrolling bug: I have my toolbar on the right side and autohiding, so, in station, when scrolling down the list of corporation offices, the toolbar popped up, interrupting my scroll process. After that, I was unable to scroll up or down to see what offices were in the station. When I switched to the Guests and Agents tab, nothing was displayed. When I switched back to Offices tab, nothing was displayed anymore.
In station, the Medical screen looks unfinished. There's room for information for all the clone types in that window. Move the current clone to the top left, list pertinent information about it, and use the rest of the window to list superior clones, so that the player can choose to upgrade without having to click 15 buttons. I would also color the current clone in RED and/or display some sort of warning when it does NOT cover the player's current skill points. |
Quince al'Pillan
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Posted - 2003.08.28 20:14:00 -
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Yeah, I like the new GUI.
Offcourse there are bugs, that's why we're here. To test them and help CCP remove them.
They can't test the stuff completely before they send it to chaos, that would take way too much time.
I beg to differ. Testing CCP's numerous bugs is NOT why we are here. It is a sad day when paying customers must spend game time playing on a test server in order to insure that some testing is done prior to patching the live server. Yes, I do test and report bugs. However CCP SHOULD have a real QC department to do this. So please don't sit here and try to tell me that is why we are here. If we have to do the testing then CCP should be paying for our accounts on TQ as well.
Erm...Excuse me...But...looking at the current version on TQ I seem to see a 1166. Last I knew the build on Chaos was 1186. In fact, the title of this thread states 1185 very plainly. This is the TEST server. If you don't want to TEST then why don't you stay on Tranq? You can submit bug reports on Tranq just as well as Chaos. There is a QC department and they do live on chaos. They have BH in front of their names. It stands for Bug Hunter. Though, of course, I suppose you've never been to the eve-chaos channel in-game or the irc channel to know that, eh?
They INVITED people to come over to chaos to help test but it is not REQUIRED. If you're on Chaos, you're there to test. Not play. Don't get all high and mighty If you're on chaos at all, to quote, "Testing CCP's numerous bugs" IS why you are here. If not, stay on Tranq, please. You're not required to go to chaos.
People go to chaos to test because they WANT to. Either they want to test a new loadout for PVP, want to get a heads up on whats coming down the pipe, or they just want to help CCP out. That is why it is called the TEST server. To TEST for bugs.
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.08.28 21:08:00 -
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Yeah, I like the new GUI.
Offcourse there are bugs, that's why we're here. To test them and help CCP remove them.
They can't test the stuff completely before they send it to chaos, that would take way too much time.
If CCP can make the new GUI as functional as the last one by the time Tranq is patched next, I'll be happy, as fugly as I think the GUI is. Meanwhile, I'll help them by pointing out bugs 
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Sylvius
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Posted - 2003.08.28 21:33:00 -
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* The feature where you could click anywhere in the scroll bar to move view there is mysteriously gone.
Good. I hate it when people mess with basic Windows functions like that. Clicking on the scrollbar should advance one screen in that direction. I've got DB software at work that advances five lines, and it ****es me off.
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.29 00:15:00 -
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1186, scrollbar still not working, if you move too fast, the window will stop update. Hate somebody mess with basic functionality which was working perfect......
btw, the stupid big image on chat list still there......
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.08.29 02:03:00 -
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Good. I hate it when people mess with basic Windows functions like that. Clicking on the scrollbar should advance one screen in that direction. I've got DB software at work that advances five lines, and it ****es me off.
What bothers me is that clicking anywhere on the scroll bar now does NOTHING.
And the reason I liked it the way it was because it was the only way I could counter the fact that in Trade, anytime someone new came into the channel, the userlist would be scrolled to the top automatically. I think this still happens with the new GUI.
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CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2003.08.29 02:11:00 -
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I believe my flame was just.
Have any of you, before coming to the forum to *****, placed bug reports on the interface oopsies? Have any of you gone to the #eve-chaos channel and reported these bugs to traveler? Thats what I was doing the other day. Those bugs are already known.
This new interface is for me a faster, easier, and more efficient way of interacting with eve. Have any of you looked at the refinery, repair, or inbox screens?
So much focus on the negatives, sigh.
Also, do NOT label me a fanboy of CCP. Doing that just reveals how ignorant you are of me. I am personally very critical of CCP. Get your facts straight.
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.08.29 03:31:00 -
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You know, you're not the only one reporting bugs. I don't want to flame you, but you sound a little full of yourself.
Congratulations for deciding to help CCP out by reporting bugs. It's a voluntary thing. People who don't do it aren't any less entitled use the game or the boards than you are.
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Reventlov
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Posted - 2003.08.29 04:20:00 -
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1186:
Most of the above
In addition when I apply for a corp and get an offer the "Join" button ceases to function. Sort of prevents me from testing most of the other things in this build.
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.08.29 08:59:00 -
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Have any of you, before coming to the forum to *****, placed bug reports on the interface oopsies? Have any of you gone to the #eve-chaos channel and reported these bugs to traveler?
Uh... actually I mentioned in my post that I reported the bugs. I also talk to bughunters in eve-chaos channel on the Chaos server. I have reported bugs since I was in beta.
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Also, do NOT label me a fanboy of CCP. Doing that just reveals how ignorant you are of me. I am personally very critical of CCP. Get your facts straight.
"Fanboy" isn't the right label. I think "a-hole" and "troll" fit much nicer and I think everyone else in this forum will agree.
As a sidenote, I'd like to add that this thread was placed here by myself for people to add their opinion of the direction CCP is taking with the GUI so that CCP can get some creative input from their customers - everyone, whether they like the GUI or not, seems to get that except for you.
If you want to continue your flaming war, you're welcome to eve-mail me in-game cuz I'm sure forum-users don't want to see more of this.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.29 09:01:00 -
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Yeah, I like the new GUI.
Offcourse there are bugs, that's why we're here. To test them and help CCP remove them.
They can't test the stuff completely before they send it to chaos, that would take way too much time.
I beg to differ. Testing CCP's numerous bugs is NOT why we are here. It is a sad day when paying customers must spend game time playing on a test server in order to insure that some testing is done prior to patching the live server. Yes, I do test and report bugs. However CCP SHOULD have a real QC department to do this. So please don't sit here and try to tell me that is why we are here. If we have to do the testing then CCP should be paying for our accounts on TQ as well.
I thought people who posted in patch review *were* here to do testing. Seeing as that is what this forum is for.
While I'm here, how big should CCP's QC department be? we had up to 50 players at a time testing new weapons on chaos. I can't see *any* software QC department get to that size.
Most people who post here do actually use the test server, as we know that our input can make things better, and do it faster.
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