Will people stop missioning in high sec???

Will people stop missioning in high sec??? We can only Hope

Posting in a stealth nerf high sec thread.
Oh wait, not very stealth.

If your idea is to increase Low sec & null sec missioning. Why not just go with the carrot side of your proposal.
If your idea is to nerf high sec income, gtfo. High sec income is already far below null sec bloc players income & Fwar income. And doesn't need nerfing even further into the ground. People have to start somewhere and have a decent fallback position if their low/null attempts get smashed (as most will). The more you nerf high sec the more timid people will get because it takes longer (twice as long in your proposal) to recover from any low/null sec losses after retreating. Not less timid.

If Low Sec missions pay 4x High Sec missions it *will* increase interest in low sec. Imagine corporations spreading out through low sec looking for a quiet system to operate out of. (A quick check of eveagents shows 39 low sec systems where Amarr Level 4 Security agents reside). Pirate corporations spreading out through low sec to hunt them. All those capsulars drawn by the riches of low sec forced to learn combat mechanics and fight back on their own.
Would you deprive your EVE brethren of the chance to experience the agony of losing their hard earned ships to seemingly overpowered players, or the chance of retribution against their would be butchers? -FM

If Low Sec missions pay 4x High Sec missions it *will* increase interest in low sec.

Not really. At least not for high-sec players. Maybe it will add another perk for low-sec players, and I'm fine with that.

Fango. lol.

That will seriously tighten the supply of LP items, which will raise the value of LP.

I'd expect that the new equilibrium would be LP raising by about 80% of the reduction in points amount you propose, at which time the few people able to implement blitzing L5s would become extraordinarily wealthy (as if they aren't already).

The only way that L5 income would be able to be kept constant would be to also outlet an extra supply of LP items elsewhere.

In the vein of the thread, which appears to be feather ones nest, I propose adding an extra commander type for anomolies that drops conventional stat implants ;)

if one is concerned about making vindicator pilots incredibly rich, then they could bias them towards appearing in yards, named dens and rally points and ports and stuff that also appears in low and isn't currently particularly valuable.

/nest feathered.

The problem is that right now, it's not worth while to mission in low sec (unless you are running L5s). The 30% boost in payout is not worth the hassle (because you would make more ISK in high sec).

It's worth the reward - not the risk.

Why? Low-sec players are just going to bastardize it anyway (the only time they undock or leave the protected shielding of their POS is when someone enters the system). Their quest for "tears" has driven players into null and high-sec, and now they're relegated to the scraps in low-sec or ganking in high-sec. I guess one reaps what one sows...

No it's not worth the reward. Given that you have to adjust your fit, pay attention all the time, and leave your missions if you get scanned down, you end up completing less missions per hour.

I currently make less running missions from a .2 level 4, agent then I make from a .5 level 4 agent because I complete less per hour even though the .2 agent pays 30% more (ISK/LP bounties are the same).

And that's before you take into account the cost of insuring/replacing your ship.-FM

Come on . . . that is not what low sec is like. That's some myth built up by I don't know who, scared high sec bears who went into low sec totally un-prepared? Low sec pirates who want to make themselves look cool? CCP to drive people out of low sec?

Low sec is not incredibly dangerous. It is just more dangerous than high sec and requires a certain skill set to survive.
Fit a MWD/T2 Cloak/and use your D-scanner and you'll *almost* never get caught.

I've been a nomad in low sec for years. Aside from maybe 4-5 systems (that everyone probably hears about), the reputation as a cutthroat pirate den full of evil villians plotting to hot drop your solo vexor with 50 battleships is totally false*.-FM

* I did have this happen to me once . . . but what can you do but laugh? The isotopes they used to bridge cost way more than my vexor so its kinda like I won.

I absolutely love the anti-pirate sentiment in here, and while it's true to some extent lowsec is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Some systems (Amamake, Rancer, Tama <3, Old Man Star) are terrible and not worthwhile to PvE in unless you know what you're doing, especially since the FW buff most of lowsec is dead quiet.

I haven't visited many agent systems, but most of them are dead quiet, and while getting ganked is a possibility, as was said above, simple common sense and possible a mwd/cloak OR a scout, is more than enough to save your arse 99% of the time. While I'm at it I will say this, beyond DEDs and FW, and clone ratting, earning isk is not much better than in highsec.

Although, now that I think about it, with all the recent buffs it might not be so impossible to find a niche after all >.> Even if only to break the monotony of mission running.

It's already tested, doesn't work.

In Ultima Online (open world PvP, full loot sandbox) at some point they duplicated the word: Trammel and Felluca, one open pvp and the other more safe PvP only consensual.

The open PvP world was extremely more rewarding but 90% of players still preferred the safer and less rewarding.

Is not about rewards, if a chance is given the majority always prefer the "safer" option. Players not accepting to be forced in some gameplay they dislike will never like it, no matter how much you pay.

Problem is:

The majority of people in HS stay there cause prefers that kind of gameplay. The key factor is not the risk or costs/rewards evaluation, they simply do not accept the chance to be forced in unwilled interactions. Resource distribution have to be scaled properly, but IMO the idea that boosting a resouce would prompt people to move in a gameplay they dislike doesn't work. Forcing people in gameplay they dislike only push them to quit.

Generally boosting a resource in an area do not cause people to move there, only benefit who is already living there. Beside I don't see the need to move people...

...they simply do not accept the chance to be forced in unwilled interactions.

The rewards you can get in low-sec are already there.

- Running level 5 missions with a friend can usually net a hundred million every hour or two (done this).
- If you can get a "safe" way into low-sec you can make a lot of profit by selling equipment and ships to outlaws (currently doing this).
- Faction War missions and complexes make godly amounts of ISK via Loyalty Points (currently doing this).
- You need FAR less standings to put a POS up in low-sec
- You can moon mine (on a small scale).
- There are open research slots for BPOs (if you look hard enough).
- You can occasionally find 0.0 class asteroids to mine in anomalies (which I mine from time to time).
- There are plenty of players in low-sec with bounties in their head.

The incentives are already there. The price people have to pay is the understanding that they can be shot at by anyone, at any time, anywhere in low-sec. And THAT is what people don't like; the constant "cat and mouse games," the uncertainty of your own safety, the inability to min/max your ship for the one activity you want to partake in (because you can be attacked at any time, so you do PvE in PvP setups).


The problem isn't "there isn't enough money." It's the fear or losing that money in a way that you can't control. That's why carebears stay in high-sec. Once you get over that and see the activity (PvP) as a whole the end goal (reardless of the outcome) then you will be PvPing like the best.
PvP is a "mentality," not an buy/sell order.

That's a unique way of putting ganking, lol.

Not only ganking. Having to pay attention to local, having to check D-Scan, being interrupted or having to abbandon a site due to some potential hostile, having to plan travels... is in general having to adapt and accept to the presence of other players conditioning their gamplay; accepting that those players "other players" are simply doing their own legit gameplay.

I'm not judging here, is a game and is legit for everyone to decide what to do with their gaming time; what I'm trying to say is that I don't think is a matter of in-game money. What bother highseccer is the feeling of not be fully in control of the time they spend in game.

This is expecially true for missioers, becuase in EVE missions system is the closest thing to a solo instanced gameplay experience.

In fact highseccer generally feel far more comfortable in respect to 0.0 than in respect of low or WH. This is because sov mechanics can recreate a control over their own gameplay similar to what they have in HS.

Who are you trying to convince here? No one missions or mines in low-sec on a consistent basis (the chart that Gevlon posted shows that more mining is done in wormhole space than low-sec despite the increased logistical challenges). There are only two ways guaranteed to not get caught in low-sec: Covert Ops cloaks or don't venture into low-sec (you can't scan ahead for gate camps). There's a reason high-sec ganking is catching on in popularity (these are more in line with the type of targets low-sec players enjoy shooting).

Sure there are some people who are always going to avoid player interactions at all cost, but this is a MMO, the game should be designed to encourage (encourage not force) people into an environment where they may have to interact with other players.

However, I don't believe the blanket claim that "The majority of people is HS stay there cause perfers that kind of gameplay"

I think the reason that people stay in high sec is two fold.
1) They are good at math and realize that the ISK per hour running L4s is greater in high sec than it is in low sec.
2) They have never been to low sec except for that one time they tried to fly a cargo expanded iteron V through rancer.


CCP can fix #1 easily enough. Change the "rules" to actually provide a benefit to running L4s in low sec.
#2 will take care of itself as more and more people start venturing into low sec and realize that low sec is no where near as dangerous as people like to scream on the forum (see this thread as a great example).

-FM