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ravill rivyll
Perkone
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:01:00 -
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So consider bunch of stubborn retards (3 pilots) want to rush into C3. We dont know exactly what to except. The plan is:
Find C3 WH - find site - clear site - loot site - got pwned by sudden gankers - clone afterparty at medical facility..
1. So what about ships...We can afford to fly in battlecruisers. I was thinking about 2x drake and 1x hurricane. Should we rather go with 2x drake and one covops (buzzard, bomber whatever) and if so why. Should we stick with more tank or dps in such combination ?
2. I know there are sleepers in site we need to eliminate so my question is what we should know before encountering them ? Whats the best tactic for clering the site what types of ships and dmg we might deal with and ect...
3. What sites exactly we are looking for ? I want to skip relic/rata (they are crap from what I heard) so I guess we are looking for combat site is that right ?
4. The most of the loot comes from looting and salvaging sleepers ? (If so should we loot and salvage all of them or there are some specific wrecks to loo ?)
5. What about other ppl It seems to me that WH are more populated than high sec should we be ready that somebody probably **** us or its occasional if we watch dscan ? Can we operate in WH with POS or its suicide ?
If anyone feels like answering on some of my question before we get blown up please do so and you can that way literally save someones clone..
Out. |
Fat-N-Squirty SquirtsAlot
State Protectorate
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:11:00 -
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ravill rivyll wrote:So consider bunch of stubborn retards (3 pilots) want to rush into C3. We dont know exactly what to except. The plan is:
Find C3 WH - find site - clear site - loot site - got pwned by sudden gankers - clone afterparty at medical facility..
1. So what about ships...We can afford to fly in battlecruisers. I was thinking about 2x drake and 1x hurricane. Should we rather go with 2x drake and one covops (buzzard, bomber whatever) and if so why. Should we stick with more tank or dps in such combination ?
2. I know there are sleepers in site we need to eliminate so my question is what we should know before encountering them ? Whats the best tactic for clering the site what types of ships and dmg we might deal with and ect...
3. What sites exactly we are looking for ? I want to skip relic/rata (they are crap from what I heard) so I guess we are looking for combat site is that right ?
4. The most of the loot comes from looting and salvaging sleepers ? (If so should we loot and salvage all of them or there are some specific wrecks to loo ?)
5. What about other ppl It seems to me that WH are more populated than high sec should we be ready that somebody probably **** us or its occasional if we watch dscan ? Can we operate in WH with POS or its suicide ?
If anyone feels like answering on some of my question before we get blown up please do so and you can that way literally save someones clone..
Out.
1. 3 drakes with omni tank.....passive tank?
2. warp in and shoot=profit. u will face frigs cruisers bs and a couple sites have sentry towers.
3. all sites that show up on system scan.
4. salvage and loot every wreck. bs require at least salvaging 3
5. keep checking dscan and pos is no use unless yall are gonna live in there |
Taz Edenrunner
The Dark Space Initiative
18
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:13:00 -
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your plan is a sound one and you can't go far wrong
Quote:Find C3 WH - find site - clear site - loot site - got pwned by sudden gankers - clone afterparty at medical facility..
As normal fly what you can afford to lose and a quick search on google or more manaul methods can detail the sorts of ships/fits to use, as can checking eve-survival
most sites in a C3 can be done with a small group like yours but again see above point
Lootwise, you will get different answers but salavge the sleeper wrecks as your after nano-ribbons (+5mil per one depnding on the time of day in Jita), the blue loot they drop is in leiu of bounties so grab that for selling to NPC vendors in HS
C1-C3 normally see the highest traffic but most will POS up at the first sign of another player, or will start to hunt you down......
oh and dont forget to sacrifice your first born to Bob the god of everything in and about wormholes
ALL HAIL BOB |
Jezza McWaffle
TriFlexure
Void-Legion
67
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:18:00 -
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1. Drakes are the best BC's for C3's. But RR shield setups like Ferox's, Drakes and Canes work ok.
2, Read EVE Survival basically, as it changes each site. Often though be vary of BS's with neuts and webs. They can tear through ships.
3. Relics and Datas are the best not the worst. Data loot from the containers though is generally worthless but you make roughly 100+ mil per relic / data compared to 30+ in normal anoms.
4. Salvage all the wrecks because the worthwhile nanoribbon drops are random.
5. Always watch dscan, scan out the whole hole, keep alts on any connections if possible. Even so though its still risky but if your careful with where you run sites and what connections you'll be ok.
POS is good. Doubtful anyone will try and siege your POS unless they desperately want the system or your invading their space, wont stop people running your sites though.
Hope that helps.
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Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
99
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:20:00 -
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You don't necessarily need a covops but I would suggest you have probe launchers in your utility highs.
As for your 3rd pilot I highly recommend a noctis or some other salvager as yes all your isk will cone from loot and salvage.
As for sites to run. Anoms automatically appear. Relic sites are good. Data sites are meh.
Someone linked eve-survival. That's a good start.
Drakes and Canes are a decent combo. C3s are not all that tough
Scout the wh first. See how many towers are in the hole. Whether thry are online or not or have active pilots in them.
Wormhol.es is a good website and gives preliminary intel on residents and their hours of activity.
See how many other wormholes are present besides the static or whatever hoke you came through. The more active holes the more likely you are to have visitors. |
Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
Rim Worlds Protectorate
27
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:21:00 -
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Don't forget to bookmark the inside of the wormhole you came in through.
It's surprising how often people forget their first few trips.
CEO, Banana Moon Industries. |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
189
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:30:00 -
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ravill rivyll wrote:So consider bunch of stubborn retards (3 pilots) want to rush into C3. We dont know exactly what to except. The plan is:
Find C3 WH - find site - clear site - loot site - got pwned by sudden gankers - clone afterparty at medical facility..
1. So what about ships...We can afford to fly in battlecruisers. I was thinking about 2x drake and 1x hurricane. Should we rather go with 2x drake and one covops (buzzard, bomber whatever) and if so why. Should we stick with more tank or dps in such combination ?
2. I know there are sleepers in site we need to eliminate so my question is what we should know before encountering them ? Whats the best tactic for clering the site what types of ships and dmg we might deal with and ect...
3. What sites exactly we are looking for ? I want to skip relic/rata (they are crap from what I heard) so I guess we are looking for combat site is that right ?
4. The most of the loot comes from looting and salvaging sleepers ? (If so should we loot and salvage all of them or there are some specific wrecks to loo ?)
5. What about other ppl It seems to me that WH are more populated than high sec should we be ready that somebody probably **** us or its occasional if we watch dscan ? Can we operate in WH with POS or its suicide ?
If anyone feels like answering on some of my question before we get blown up please do so and you can that way literally save someones clone..
Out.
Okay my general advice is as follows...
1 - If I had 3 ships to take it'd be 1 scimitar & 2 ABCs (talos oracles, nados ect)
2 - Use eve survival and follow the waves - don't pop the triggers
3 - Just do the regular anoms, hell with the scimitar on grid it can support a noctis on grid the whole time if the noctis is fit correctly
4 - Loot only comes from salvaging and the blue loot - which means you will need a salvage boat
5 - Do your homework (ie scout around in a cloaky ship) and see if people are home move on, if not plunder all their stuff.
In regards to setting up a POS - a small tower will do if you plan to stay for a day or so - go large or go home if you're staying longer.
P.S you will get ganked, but do your best to keep an eye on dscan
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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
31
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:34:00 -
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having dedicated scanner logged of in system is a must. You never know in the lands of BOB. |
Sukur
Shimai of New Eden
17
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:42:00 -
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1- Pasive fit drakes are the easyest way to go.
2- Eve survival tells you everything you need to know.
3- Money comes from blue loot "tags" and salvage.
4- Dich the drakes and bring tengus asap.
Be prepared to fight sleepers that web you and neut you from 30km. Not really a problem if not soloing, but heavy assault fits may suffer. Expect to use t2 ammo. Specialy javelin.
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ravill rivyll
Perkone
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:51:00 -
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I am really happy with those answers keep it flowing ! |
Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
392
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:13:00 -
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3 drakes.
Utility hi slot for probe launcher.
3 x lse 2, active omni tank and a tp.
2 bcs and 2 psr, but if you feel bold, use 3 bcs.
Defense field purguers x3
Hobgoblins 2 for that little extra dps.
Clone afterparty |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Polarized.
292
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Posted - 2013.10.16 13:33:00 -
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since your plan involves getting ganked and waking up in a clone station, id say its rather irrelevant what you fly :p |
Glyndi
Doom Generation
THE H0NEYBADGER
7
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Posted - 2013.10.16 17:09:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:ravill rivyll wrote:So consider bunch of stubborn retards (3 pilots) want to rush into C3. We dont know exactly what to except. The plan is:
Find C3 WH - find site - clear site - loot site - got pwned by sudden gankers - clone afterparty at medical facility..
1. So what about ships...We can afford to fly in battlecruisers. I was thinking about 2x drake and 1x hurricane. Should we rather go with 2x drake and one covops (buzzard, bomber whatever) and if so why. Should we stick with more tank or dps in such combination ?
2. I know there are sleepers in site we need to eliminate so my question is what we should know before encountering them ? Whats the best tactic for clering the site what types of ships and dmg we might deal with and ect...
3. What sites exactly we are looking for ? I want to skip relic/rata (they are crap from what I heard) so I guess we are looking for combat site is that right ?
4. The most of the loot comes from looting and salvaging sleepers ? (If so should we loot and salvage all of them or there are some specific wrecks to loo ?)
5. What about other ppl It seems to me that WH are more populated than high sec should we be ready that somebody probably **** us or its occasional if we watch dscan ? Can we operate in WH with POS or its suicide ?
If anyone feels like answering on some of my question before we get blown up please do so and you can that way literally save someones clone..
Out. Okay my general advice is as follows... 1 - If I had 3 ships to take it'd be 1 scimitar & 2 ABCs (talos oracles, nados ect) 2 - Use eve survival and follow the waves - don't pop the triggers 3 - Just do the regular anoms, hell with the scimitar on grid it can support a noctis on grid the whole time if the noctis is fit correctly 4 - Loot only comes from salvaging and the blue loot - which means you will need a salvage boat 5 - Do your homework (ie scout around in a cloaky ship) and see if people are home move on, if not plunder all their stuff. In regards to setting up a POS - a small tower will do if you plan to stay for a day or so - go large or go home if you're staying longer. P.S you will get ganked, but do your best to keep an eye on dscan
Not much to say beyond this ^
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Andrew Jester
Jester's Hole
3
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Posted - 2013.10.16 18:17:00 -
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One thing that seems to have not been mentioned, if you plan on living in a WH, bring fights when people come knocking. It's a little rude to just POS up... If they have you outnumbered and outshipped, ask if they'll attempt to match numbers and/or ship down.
If you're planning on daytripping, disregard the above. |
Aderoth Anstian
Heaven's End
League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.10.16 23:07:00 -
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All the above answers cover your questions. I highly recommend reading the F.A.Q. sticky for all those questions you don't know to ask yet. Fly safe!
Hope to gank you soon,
Aderoth |
Malcolm Shinhwa
bad touches
428
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Posted - 2013.10.17 00:51:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:One thing that seems to have not been mentioned, if you plan on living in a WH, bring fights when people come knocking. It's a little rude to just POS up... If they have you outnumbered and outshipped, ask if they'll attempt to match numbers and/or ship down.
If you're planning on daytripping, disregard the above.
I can second this. Just a few days ago we had a K126 from a C5 occupied by Laurentson INC. We watched a couple of pods come through our system to use our hisec. We shipped up and camped our side of the K126 to see what we could catch on the way back. We were discovered and after them and us reshipping a couple of times, they eventually killed us. 'gf's for everyone. They were so happy that someone fought instead of POS'ing up they offered to let us tag along when running some of their anoms. Saddly my corpmates and I were just getting ready to log when the K126 showed up, so we couldn't take advantage.
Not sure how it works in the rest of Eve. But in wh's it seems to be that exploding a few ships in a fun battle is wormhole resident for "Howdy Neighbor!"
Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Creepy McCreepster
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:08:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:One thing that seems to have not been mentioned, if you plan on living in a WH, bring fights when people come knocking. It's a little rude to just POS up... If they have you outnumbered and outshipped, ask if they'll attempt to match numbers and/or ship down.
If you're planning on daytripping, disregard the above. Just a few days ago we had a K126 from a C5 occupied by Laurentson INC.
Hey, you seem like a good corp. What JSig do you live in and where can I find these K126s? Mail me the K126 to hisec after downtime so I can apply!
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
279
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Posted - 2013.10.17 11:27:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:One thing that seems to have not been mentioned, if you plan on living in a WH, bring fights when people come knocking. It's a little rude to just POS up... If they have you outnumbered and outshipped, ask if they'll attempt to match numbers and/or ship down.
If you're planning on daytripping, disregard the above.
Arranged fights - even for me - turned out to be plain ********. I really tried giving it a shot, but there are way better ways to get fight afterall, especially since you don't have to pray that they will not just decloak a number of falcons equal or similiar to your gangsize (this or warping in a bunch of guardians is how such arranged fights end 8 times out of 10)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385
- 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.10.17 11:46:00 -
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Just to let you know, you need Salvaging V or a salvage tackle rig if you want to be able to salvage BS wrecks in a C3. |
ravill rivyll
Perkone
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.17 12:41:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Just to let you know, you need Salvaging V or a salvage tackle rig if you want to be able to salvage BS wrecks in a C3.
Appreciated this. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
bad touches
428
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:49:00 -
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Creepy McCreepster wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:One thing that seems to have not been mentioned, if you plan on living in a WH, bring fights when people come knocking. It's a little rude to just POS up... If they have you outnumbered and outshipped, ask if they'll attempt to match numbers and/or ship down.
If you're planning on daytripping, disregard the above. Just a few days ago we had a K126 from a C5 occupied by Laurentson INC. Hey, you seem like a good corp. What JSig do you live in and where can I find these K126s? Mail me the K126 to hisec after downtime so I can apply!
Love to help you out, but we currently have two known awoxers in corp so it isn't particularly safe. As soon as I and the other director leave, I'll have the CEO give you a shout.
Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
Insurance Fraud.
325
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:08:00 -
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Quote:1. So what about ships...We can afford to fly in battlecruisers. I was thinking about 2x drake and 1x hurricane. Should we rather go with 2x drake and one covops (buzzard, bomber whatever) and if so why. Should we stick with more tank or dps in such combination ?
2. I know there are sleepers in site we need to eliminate so my question is what we should know before encountering them ? Whats the best tactic for clering the site what types of ships and dmg we might deal with and ect...
3. What sites exactly we are looking for ? I want to skip relic/rata (they are crap from what I heard) so I guess we are looking for combat site is that right ?
4. The most of the loot comes from looting and salvaging sleepers ? (If so should we loot and salvage all of them or there are some specific wrecks to loo ?)
5. What about other ppl It seems to me that WH are more populated than high sec should we be ready that somebody probably **** us or its occasional if we watch dscan ? Can we operate in WH with POS or its suicide ?
1. 2 Drakes with probes in utility high and a salvaging dessie w/probes, cloak, salvage rigs, single warp stab, tractors, salvagers, micro, etc.
2. Sleepers do Omni damage and have omni resists. Sleeper missiles do kinetic/expl damage and their lasers do em/therm. Use EVE Survival for site info.
3. Skip relic/data because you probably won't be able to do them, just do anoms.
4. Have salvage dessie loot and salvage all wrecks after sites despawn (make sure you bookmark). You can keep the drakes on-grid for escort, not really necessary though.
5. Not more populated, not even close, but much easier to sneak up on someone. Try and find a wh system with only one wh (scan all sigs to check), cloak your dessie on the hisec wh to listen for activations and keep hitting d-scan. You most likely will not see anyone.
Don't use a pos unless you're moving in for a period, which is a different topic altogether.
There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Praxis Ginimic
Dark Knight Legion
The Hydra Confederacy
525
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:48:00 -
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Honestly, when we don't have a noctis pilot on we just use a rigged dragoon with tractor/salvagers and a flight of salvage drones. It's not as fast as a noctis but it keeps the rookies from falling asleep while watching connections. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
47
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Posted - 2013.10.19 15:19:00 -
[24] - Quote
Xequecal wrote:Just to let you know, you need Salvaging V or a salvage tackle rig if you want to be able to salvage BS wrecks in a C3.
I've never had any trouble salvaging anything in a C4 at Salvaging III and using a Noctis (I've got it rigged with salvage tackle). In C2s I just use a salvage destroyer, since risking a Noctis over that kind of loot is just silly. Haven't messed with C3s much. |
bubble trout
Sky Fighters
67
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Posted - 2013.10.19 15:35:00 -
[25] - Quote
Riel Saigo wrote:Xequecal wrote:Just to let you know, you need Salvaging V or a salvage tackle rig if you want to be able to salvage BS wrecks in a C3. I've never had any trouble salvaging anything in a C4 at Salvaging III and using a Noctis (I've got it rigged with salvage tackle). In C2s I just use a salvage destroyer, since risking a Noctis over that kind of loot is just silly. Haven't messed with C3s much.
Don't listen to this person, noctis is great even in C1 sites. No need to warp to poses after you get done, just alt tab back to your main and do more sites. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
47
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Posted - 2013.10.20 02:51:00 -
[26] - Quote
Fine - but if you get ganked, don't come crying to me when you lose most of your profit margin.
By the way, where are you doing C1s right now?
I'd like to.... come and... help...
Yeah, that's it... |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
Insurance Fraud.
325
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Posted - 2013.10.20 03:53:00 -
[27] - Quote
Salvage dessies ftw!
There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
103
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Posted - 2013.10.20 09:19:00 -
[28] - Quote
The answer to all questions is: active tanking Tengu.
They are dirty cheap right now. |
Andrew Jester
Jester's Hole
4
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:34:00 -
[29] - Quote
Lloyd Roses wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:One thing that seems to have not been mentioned, if you plan on living in a WH, bring fights when people come knocking. It's a little rude to just POS up... If they have you outnumbered and outshipped, ask if they'll attempt to match numbers and/or ship down.
If you're planning on daytripping, disregard the above. Arranged fights - even for me - turned out to be plain ********. I really tried giving it a shot, but there are way better ways to get fight afterall, especially since you don't have to pray that they will not just decloak a number of falcons equal or similiar to your gangsize (this or warping in a bunch of guardians is how such arranged fights end 8 times out of 10)
We've never gotten ****** in arranged fights. Yet... We'll always honour our side of the fight agreement. When we ship down for them, it doesn't matter too much if they drop with more since the price isn't a problem anyways. Maybe it's just risk averse corps? |
7enn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:28:00 -
[30] - Quote
Chosing not to fight someone isn't rude. It's just a choice like any other choice you make in this game or life or whatever. How people react to your choice of not fighting is their choice. There is this totally made up code of wh conduct that some folks keep pretending is real. If you take a step back and look at it closely you'll see some obvious patterns. The ethos is promoted primarily by the larger wh groups that are having difficulty getting the 'gf' that they have rigidly defined. When it is brought up there is always the direct or implicit 'or else' hook at the end. It's just an internet spaceships threat and should be processed accordingly.
It comes down to some frustrated FC types attempting to bully other groups into feeding their bored fleets a few kills so their guys feel good about fleeting up... or else. The or else usually being 'or we're going to burn down your system and evict you' - which oddly enough is a boring and tedious process. If you fight - you feed them small scale losses continuously over time. If you don't fight - they may or may not come stomp on your waffles. It's a roll of the dice. Then again, deciding to enter wh space is a roll of the dice.
I'll be frank on this. Just ignore the 'fight or else' crap from the larger fish. Statistically they don't have the time, resources or will to burn down every two bit wh operation that blue balls them. If they do stomp your waffles and you are a small fish then they look bad (you know... like a bully). All they can really do is stomp off in a disapproving huff in most cases. You will be ok long term living with their disapproval.
Their pilots will flee the second being in Bully Corp means structure ginding wh after wh of blue ballers. Once a wh reaches a certain population, the fun starts to drizzle off. It's just math (a complex equation involving corp size and wh mass limits). The difficult thing for corp leaders to deal with is success. Success attracts more pilots and eventually more pilots is too many pilots. A wh is a pen and each one can only hold so many pilots.
There is the pre arranged fight rider that is now being offered. The 'we'll downsize blah blah blah' Here's why it's being offered. It's desperation. They can't keep threatening to burn you down for not fighting without actually following through. If they never follow through folks will catch on that it's just words and not words backed by actions (see above where structure grinding is boring and tedious), so they are offering to meet halfway. Their actual bargaining position is weak. Sure, you could get your waffles stomped, but the odds are in favor of that not happening. |
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