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Rein Fallow
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Posted - 2006.01.29 22:32:00 -
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I'm part of Omega Corp, and where we reside we have X13 and a couple of other friendly corps in the same system. It's our little home. Stain Empire doesn't like us. They want our system. Fine. 0.0 space, right? One of our covert ops pilots notices a buildup of people in SE's space, so we start getting prepared as intel comes in. By the time the first hostiles come in, we have atleast 20 people in a gang, in a mix of sniping BSes, and tacklers/anti-frigs. I'm excited for my first real fleet combat. Our system is a dead-end, so after seeing around 8-ish(I don't remember exactly) hostiles in system, and reports of no others in the systems between our spaces, and they're not at the gate, we jump to the next system and set up mobile warp disruptors, leaving them trapped in our system. By now we've got atleast 25-30 people. Another of our spies sees more people building up in SE space, so we get prepared. All reports say that they've got the numbers on us, counting the people stuck in our system. About 15 minutes pass, and an Inty jumps in 150km from us. We figure jump in point. so we get there ASAP. The guys jumps as the sniping BSes have him getting a bit worried. A Geddon jumps in, probably a result of over-eager jumping. One of our tacklers has him scrambled and he's popped within a minute I'd say. T2 gear. After he's popped, EVERY SINGLE HOSTILE LOGS. Pathetic. Just...Pathetic. It sickens me. 
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.01.29 23:04:00 -
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paragraphs are your friend...
oh and..
are you suggesting they should stay out of 0.0 for that , or..
are you suggesting you should stay out of 0.0 for getting annoyed with them?
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Chow
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Posted - 2006.01.29 23:12:00 -
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Thats why real life will always be more fun than online games.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2006.01.29 23:15:00 -
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i wont read that until you fix your spacebar.
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Zavernus Hamarabi
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Posted - 2006.01.29 23:37:00 -
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No see, they'll log on when your fleet isnt there and wtf pwn anyone around
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Rein Fallow
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Posted - 2006.01.30 00:15:00 -
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I'm saying that they should stay out of 0.0, because they obviously can't take anything other then NPCs.
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Rein Fallow
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Posted - 2006.01.30 00:15:00 -
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I'm part of Omega Corp, and where we reside we have X13 and a couple of other friendly corps in the same system. It's our little home. Stain Empire doesn't like us. They want our system. Fine. 0.0 space, right?
One of our covert ops pilots notices a buildup of people in SE's space, so we start getting prepared as intel comes in. By the time the first hostiles come in, we have atleast 20 people in a gang, in a mix of sniping BSes, and tacklers/anti-frigs.
I'm excited for my first real fleet combat. Our system is a dead-end, so after seeing around 8-ish(I don't remember exactly) hostiles in system, and reports of no others in the systems between our spaces, and they're not at the gate, we jump to the next system and set up mobile warp disruptors, leaving them trapped in our system. By now we've got atleast 25-30 people. Another of our spies sees more people building up in SE space, so we get prepared.
All reports say that they've got the numbers on us, counting the people stuck in our system. About 15 minutes pass, and an Inty jumps in 150km from us. We figure jump in point. so we get there ASAP. The guys jumps as the sniping BSes have him getting a bit worried.
A Geddon jumps in, probably a result of over-eager jumping. One of our tacklers has him scrambled and he's popped within a minute I'd say. T2 gear. After he's popped, EVERY SINGLE HOSTILE LOGS. Pathetic. Just...Pathetic. It sickens me.
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Kirex
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Posted - 2006.01.30 00:29:00 -
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Alright
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.01.30 00:45:00 -
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Maybe they didnt fancy jumping into a group of tacklers and BS that are sat 150km away maybe?
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.01.30 01:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Maybe they didnt fancy jumping into a group of tacklers and BS that are sat 150km away maybe?
they dont fancy fighting a force half or even a third their size, without stabing up all their ships
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.01.30 01:16:00 -
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Rein, I'd probably do the same in their situation tbh.
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Rein Fallow
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Posted - 2006.01.30 01:20:00 -
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It's not OUR fault that WE were prepared. It's like being beat at a football game and then saying, "Hey, they actually used tactics" as your excuse for losing. THEY outnumbered US. It's not our fault they took so long getting re-inforcements. Not our fault they entered our system with no re-inforcements and were unprepared for a major defense. If they had been there faster, our mobile warp disruptors wouldn't have been setup. Seriously, they weren't prepared, so we were able to set the battlegrounds to OUR terms.
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2006.01.30 01:21:00 -
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yeah nobody in there right mind would lead there gang into a trap to get anihilated. in that kind of situation blobbing and camping isn't the right idea because they will just chill or log till someone makes a mistake. your best bet would be to jump into them if you have the bigger and/or better force.
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Rein Fallow
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Posted - 2006.01.30 01:21:00 -
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I know, Ras, but it's pretty pathetic. 
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mechtech
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Posted - 2006.01.30 03:19:00 -
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I really dont think there is anything wrong with that tactic. They came into the system to grief and harass people who reside in the system, not to get into a big battle. By logging off, they are sticking to their plan, and you should expect that they wont walk into a trap that they know is set.
When you have trapped a group that doesn't want to fight, it's your job to find a way to get them to come to you.
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Chinsor
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Posted - 2006.01.30 05:55:00 -
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Edited by: Chinsor on 30/01/2006 05:55:34
logging off is for pussies
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2006.01.30 12:22:00 -
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If it takes you 20 man gang 1 minute to pop a bs, i'd say ya got a problem when **** hits the fan.
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Ralus
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Posted - 2006.01.30 13:16:00 -
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does it really matter though?
From what I gather from your post you and some corps are trying to defend your system from a much larger force, the attackers move in you pop a ship and scare them off so they go away for that day - you still have your system all is good and you lost no ships in that engagment.
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.01.30 13:25:00 -
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Its sad, it things like this ruin the potential of the game.
head to head fleet battles kick ass, logging and crap like that ruins the entire idea..
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Rein Fallow
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Posted - 2006.01.30 13:56:00 -
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Whoever said the one minute thing, I said that as an estimate, and I didn't want to be like 10 seconds and all of a sudden no body beleives me. In the time it took me to find the member who was at the jump in point in Gang chat, and then warp in 150km in my Kessie, he was already popped. So do your own math.
Yes, it's good that they're not able to take our system, but I'd feel better, oddly enough, if the people who were trying to take it had a pair. And it's not just that it happened this time..They NEED 2-1 odds or more, or it's log off time.
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Haishard Kraylo
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Posted - 2006.01.30 14:55:00 -
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Do not attack an enemy that has the high ground;
Do not attack an enemy that has his back to a hill;
Do not pursue feigned retreats;
Do not attack elite troops;
Do not swallow the enemy's bait;
Do not thwart an enemy retreating home.
If you surround the enemy, leave an outlet;
Do not press an enemy that is cornered.
These are the principles of warfare.
Their tactic was sound. Your contention to the contrary strikes me as immature. You got a kill and forced a retreat.
Be content with your victory and respectful to your enemy. These are the principles of being a good winner.
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Ja'kar
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Posted - 2006.01.30 18:45:00 -
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When you have trapped a group that doesn't want to fight, it's your job to find a way to get them to come to you.
ok- got ya-!!! erm how do u stop ppl loggin which is (i think) an exploit.
c'mon now if u come to fight and get beat then the fun should be trying to get out- - i once logged to save a frig and then logged back on sent a sorry note and isk that was way over what my frig was worth- why? cos loggin is sad so very sad-
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Ja'kar
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Posted - 2006.01.30 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 30/01/2006 18:47:34
Their tactic was sound. Your contention to the contrary strikes me as immature. You got a kill and forced a retreat.
no no no- they did not retreat they logged they are not the same- and please dont name call,that is very immature
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.30 18:50:00 -
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now what im curious about is which stain..alliance you are on about there is 2 after all..you got the main stain alliance which owns stain and you got the rat infestetion of stain empire?
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Haishard Kraylo
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Posted - 2006.01.30 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Edited by: Ja''kar on 30/01/2006 18:47:34
Their tactic was sound. Your contention to the contrary strikes me as immature. You got a kill and forced a retreat.
no no no- they did not retreat they logged they are not the same- and please dont name call,that is very immature
Logging and retreating are one in the same, assuming logging was due to avoiding conflict and not, say, going to grab some food in real life.
And I didn't call the original poster immature. I called his or her contention immature, which it is, at least in my opinion for what it is worth. Calling someone to the carpet and suggesting they can't handle themselves in 0.0 because they wisely chose not to engage is conceit at best.
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.01.30 19:52:00 -
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Logging and retreating are the same?
Haha, thats a good one. Someone needs a pair.
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Haishard Kraylo
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Posted - 2006.01.30 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jaddor
Logging and retreating are the same?
Haha, thats a good one. Someone needs a pair.
Retreating is defined as "withdrawal of a military force from a dangerous position or from an enemy attack."
How is logging out to withdraw your ship from a dangerous position any tactically different from leaving the system? You leave it one way or another- through a stargate or by disappearing in space. Now, I'd have a problem if they logged in combat, but there's mechanics to deal with that, and that's not what the original poster suggested in his description of the scenario anyway.
This strikes me as the same tired situation where someone calls you a coward for not taking on their two cerberuses and three interceptors in your lone interceptor. Yeah, like they would charge right in if the roles were reversed... 
Some players are like immature broken records. Predictable and easily dismissed...
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Toon33
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Posted - 2006.01.30 20:42:00 -
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he is on about stain empire
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.01.30 21:36:00 -
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Retreat is escaping from enemy to safe territory.
Logging in this case is using a game mechanic not intedned to allow you to be a coward to avoid a fight you started and were unprepared for.
One has honor the other is as lame as picking up the phone back in the modem days.
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Jezala
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Posted - 2006.01.30 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jaddor
Logging and retreating are the same?
Haha, thats a good one. Someone needs a pair.
As far as I'm concerned jumping from safespot to safespot or just logging for a few hours are the same from the perspective of the campers. Personally I would just concede the field to the campers and log for an hour or 2. No need to waste time jumping from SS to SS when you could be flaming the forums and downloading ****.
It's not so much of a retreat as it is a denial of an engagement...perfectly valid.
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