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Bloodclaw
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:06:00 -
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Following the massive drop in ship prices recently, us hard working miners are not getting good and fair prices for our ore. as a result of this we are having battles over who can sell theres for cheaper. personaly i dont want to sell mine cheap! ive mined hard to get the ore so im not selling for less than adverage prices.
Still people sell their ore tho and its those people who make the prices go down. i propose a mining strike! if nobody mined and sold their ore to the big corps who lower their prices forcing our prices to lower then they will have no choice but to either put their prices back up and buy our ore for our prices or mine their own!
im sure if we all pulled together on this then we will squash this price outrage.
Its time to put the money where it belongs, in everyones pockets and NOT in big corps'.
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nono
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:11:00 -
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Courier
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:16:00 -
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I see that working
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Datsevlu
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:16:00 -
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Come sell your mins to techell corp we do not buy below NPC prices we only ask that you meet our ratio so we don't get overstocked on the higher level low mins. Come to the techell channel for more details.
-- Datsevlu
Blow'em up we'll build more.
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Falconetta
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:18:00 -
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I havn't seen ore prices go anything but up lately.
But if you have ore to sell, send an eve-mail and we'll discuss this further.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:21:00 -
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well, if the miners are not gonna sell ore, do you mind if I sell mine?
All striking will do is prove to people that they will be better off mining their own ore, rather than relying on others.
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Roulette
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:21:00 -
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Following the massive drop in ship prices recently, us hard working miners are not getting good and fair prices for our ore.
What region is this happening in? I have absolutely no problems at all selling my minerals for *at least* NPC prices.. Business is so good, that I've taken to buying extra ore to refine just to try and keep up..
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Kimi
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:23:00 -
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"Following the massive drop in ship prices recently, us hard working miners are not getting good and fair prices for our ore..."
So, basically, you expect to get ships cheaper, but sell your ore for more to those same ones that are selling ships for less?
ok.......
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Viper Bronco
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Viper Bronco on 28/08/2003 15:45:59
double post
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Viper Bronco
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:45:00 -
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go sell to TTI. I understand they pay the highest prices for refined minerals ingame
mine less make more
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Riana Tabost
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Posted - 2003.08.28 16:32:00 -
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This problem stems from battleship mining. The economy does not scale for battleship mining and thus the mineral market is flooded.
I strongly protest the economic ramifications of battleship mining... Battleship mining SHOULD be a waste of Battleship potential. It is currently by far the best use (Pirate farming is another issue that needs to be realistically addressedą.)
The best solution to mining that I can see is: Introduce a mining ship under the Industrial category. These ships should be moderate cargo, low hull & shield, moderate speed, 2/4 mining lasers depending on class. Eventually there should be a way for such ships to form a link with an industrial hauler and ębeamĘ the cargo straight to it.
You would completely remove the mining capability of all combat vessels  including the newbie frigate. You then break the newbie frigate into 3 different options depending on the school you chose.
- Military starts with a slightly more combat oriented ship.
- Science and Business: Fast, little cargo ship (ie: 2x cargo of Military)
- Mining: actual mining vessel.
Yes, this would be a drastic change ū one that is necessary.
The side effects include team operations (security/hauling/mining) become more necessary/profitable than solo/afk mining etc.
Battleship minerĘs whinging a bitą The infamous Alliances would certainly be significantly impacted by this changeą but ultimately for the better.
I tell you, one of three things will happen.
1. Nothing will change.
2. Every ship will gain a ęminerĘ slot (in conjunction with turret and missile slots)
3. My post above or a variation thereof.
(PS: Option 2 is the cheats way out)
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TekRa
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Posted - 2003.08.28 16:46:00 -
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I definatly think there should be a dedicated mining ship, i really hate warpig into a field to see some of the best ships sitting there defencless mining like mad.  such a waste of a good ship. imo
but maybe adding a limit to ships like turret/missile slots would be a good idea, so every ship can fit mining lasers, but only a limited number, and the mining ships would have no turret slots and just mining laser slots. in this way frigates could still fit a few lasers but ships with lots of hi-slots would be limited. 
not sure that this would ever be implemented since of freedom of choice and all that, but i would like to see miners flying mining ships and military type people in the warships. seems only natural.
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Baron Zoomski
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Posted - 2003.08.28 17:02:00 -
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eh???
I don't see what the issue is. I agree that a devoted large cruiser or battle ship class mining craft is a good idea.
I do not see what the problem is with converting your battlehsip into a mining craft.
This games all about diversity and if it's possible for you to convert your Battleship to one mutha of a mining craft....should be ok.
U call it not right..I call player ingenuity and clever thinking.
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Roulette
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Posted - 2003.08.28 17:25:00 -
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This problem stems from battleship mining. The economy does not scale for battleship mining and thus the mineral market is flooded.
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There is no problem. The mineral market is *far* from flooded.. If you camp a particular system or constellation for mining and selling of your ore/minerals and find it to be flooded, MOVE.
I think the only reason there's a perceived problem is because of all the afk BS miners in systems like Luminere who are too busy with whatever project it is keeping them afk all the time that they don't bother to check prices anywhere else.. It's really ridiculous in that system in particular.. I'm sure there's an equivalent of it in each region, I've not bothered too look, but it's one of those systems where a good 35-50 people are perpetually afk mining.. mostly in bestowers and battleships.. if you sit and watch local long enough you'll see a large number of them moaning about how low the prices are, then go ahead and quick-sell everything so they can get back to afk mining..
I've made a small fortune in Lumin just from placing buy orders and jumping *one* system away to resell what I bought for almost double the price..
New ships aren't going to help decrease the number of idiots doing this..
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Riana Tabost
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Posted - 2003.08.28 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Riana Tabost on 29/08/2003 07:18:47
Edited by: Riana Tabost on 28/08/2003 18:15:26
Roulette: The mineral market is not (yet) flooded because players in smaller ships still find it worth their time to mine. I think when this changes, you can consider the market flooded. I say it WILL change when the following conditions change:
1. The NPC market still buys a significant portion of all minerals.
2. The ratio of #battleshipminers vs #otherminers is not yet significant enough to push prices down. Prices stay high while manufacturing of cruisers and battleships exists... while demand exists....
Also...
Eve is supposed to have a player driven market. While some NPC purchasing should exist (empires making ships etc.. all theory of course), it should also be playing the market, rather than just handing out the isk at a fixed rate.
If you think about it, a player in a battleship can mine 4 to 8 times more minerals per time than a player in a frigate. Now in the real world both those players put a value on their time in the game. A battleship mining player can afford to drop his/her prices lower than a frigate miner can. It's just that simple
btw, your 'buy-low-sell-high-shaft-noobs' attitude is nothing new. I did that in the beta until I was bored. You can still only get away with that while the NPC market buys up your minerals. I would like to see what youd do with 400k of mexallon when the npc market stops buying.
Baron Zoomski:
You missed the point. The mineral value will be significantly lower than what the NPC market buys at if every player has the capability to pull in ore at that rate. It is by no means ęcleverĘ for a player to fit 8 mining lasers...
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.08.28 19:03:00 -
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The mineral market is fine...
I routinely sell trit for 1.5 ISK each (delivered). There are at least 3-4 battleship producers who all pay this price.
Pyer can easily be sold for 4.2+, and I recently sold a few mill for 5. There was an order at a station for 10mill at that price.
Yes, some regions have bad prices. Stop complaining if you're too lazy to shop around. It's easy with the highway system.
As far as mex/nox/iso being depressed in price - It's always been that way. The market is flooded with excessive mex/nox/iso and not enough trit/pyer for battleships.
The "Mineral Trade" channel is your friend. It can be quiet at times, but there ARE people there and the more people in the MT channel, the more useful it will be. Please restrict WTS/WTB advertisements to minerals and ore though, and have patience. The window often has a low priority for people. (For example, I sometimes don't check it for 10-15 minutes, so if you post "WTB trit", "WTB trit", and then say "This channel is useless!" and leave in less than five minutes, then people who might have been able to sell you trit will remember that you're impatient and not a pleasant person to deal with.)
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Roulette
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Posted - 2003.08.28 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Roulette on 28/08/2003 19:03:51
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btw, your 'buy-low-sell-high-shaft-noobs' attitude is nothing new. I did that in the beta until I was bored. You can still only get away with that while the NPC market buys up your minerals. I would like to see what youd do with 400k of mexallon when the npc market stops buying.
Umm, I'd do what I do now.. Pay close attention to which corps or players are asking for and sell to them.. The only time I sell to NPCs anymore is when I've got more Isogen than I can move, so I stick in a quick sell-order just before downtime.. I'm sorry your 'I-was-in-beta-so-i-can-treat-everyone-like-a-noob' attitude failed you this time..
The simple fact is that the market for minerals isn't flooded.. It's perceived to be flooded because of lazy people who refuse to check anything other than the NPC prices at the first station they visit.
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Znaei
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Posted - 2003.08.28 23:54:00 -
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The prices have gone down because not nearly enough ppl use the ¦Place Sell Order' option. Everybody is in such a hurry to sell their ore,ships, guns etc. asap. Every ship I make and sell, I put a sell order wich is higher than the lowest market price and I always sell my ships. So all of you manifacturers and miners.. Start using the sell order option and ask more for your stuff. Then finally the market prices will go up.
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Riana Tabost
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Posted - 2003.08.29 04:53:00 -
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Umm, I'd do what I do now.. Pay close attention to which corps or players are asking for and sell to them.. The only time I sell to NPCs anymore is when I've got more Isogen than I can move, so I stick in a quick sell-order just before downtime.. I'm sorry your 'I-was-in-beta-so-i-can-treat-everyone-like-a-noob' attitude failed you this time..
The simple fact is that the market for minerals isn't flooded.. It's perceived to be flooded because of lazy people who refuse to check anything other than the NPC prices at the first station they visit.
I'm sorry if I offended you.
I've accepted teh market currently is not flooded. Can you accept the fact that it will be unless something changes?
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Budsin Adar
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:39:00 -
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Hey there this is for the people who mine and the others who shoot them,Mining Strike .
It will from sources i hear. The ships that destroy the mining ships will have to think about soon.From what i have been told they will mine when you are not around and stock pile it and not have it processed. For 1 week.Or so. Then if others abide the rules they will resume. Remember they are working for better ships and like you if they not mine ore ship and equipment costs will go up and then be scarce. That means 20+jumps just to get a ship if you are lucky.
In RL if food and clothing stop soon then you will starve.Like ammo and ships and Equipment will go as well. This is just a relaid message. The walk out will begin in the next 72 hrs.DarnSafe flying all.NO this is not my message it was sent to me and since been dumped out of mail. Sorry
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:48:00 -
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Horrible necro. Thread fails. Necroing Poster Fails. Everyone fails.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:50:00 -
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Gee, another Necro....and not a particularly amusing one either.
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Pop da rats, make more rigs.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Horrible necro. Thread fails. Necroing Poster Fails. Everyone fails.
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Nur Vadenn
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:03:00 -
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Shame... necromancy usually offers better results than this.
Miners don't matter enough in the current scheme of things for a strike to matter anyway. Too many minerals come from recycled loot or drone rat droppings.
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Sister Libertina
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:13:00 -
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Whilst I have sympathy for the OP I'm afraid it is just a matter of economics. As long as other miners can afford to sell their mins at a low price they will. In real life if a business can't afford to lower their prices to compete they go out of business. Unless of course they are a UK farmer in which case the government pay them a subsidy to do nothing instead of getting another job. Perhaps you could appeal to CCP for a grant
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Frelix
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:36:00 -
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Wow,
Talk about raising something from the dead!
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Sister Libertina
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sister Libertina on 10/12/2007 20:41:14
/me puts on ******s hat and and writes out 100 times 'I will check the date on the OP in future' 
Can i say ******?
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Lerrroy Jeeenkins
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:44:00 -
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One good thing about theis Necro... I see the price for trit has more than doubled in 4 years.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:45:00 -
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If I were you, I'd be more worried about the influx of minerals that will hit the market once the POS jump bridges are fixed. Do you think people have risked big loads yet? Sure a few have... but there's gonna be a skyrocket in minerals soon, which may even make prices lower.
Also... be afraid... very afraid of T2 blowing up again. Demand for T2 components has JUMPED! Don't look for just the new ships being expensive. All T2 ships are already on the rise, and no sign of stopping.
So to put it simple... minerals prices dropping, T2 demand increasing. Raise your mineral prices... go on strike... and all you'll do is raise prices of your Hulks. (so to speak)
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Valrandir
Gallente
Slacker Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bloodclaw
Following the massive drop in ship prices recently, us hard working miners are not getting good and fair prices for our ore. as a result of this we are having battles over who can sell theres for cheaper. personaly i dont want to sell mine cheap! ive mined hard to get the ore so im not selling for less than adverage prices.
Still people sell their ore tho and its those people who make the prices go down. i propose a mining strike! if nobody mined and sold their ore to the big corps who lower their prices forcing our prices to lower then they will have no choice but to either put their prices back up and buy our ore for our prices or mine their own!
im sure if we all pulled together on this then we will squash this price outrage.
Its time to put the money where it belongs, in everyones pockets and NOT in big corps'.
So are you going to organize it in a way that it actually happens, or are you posting in the hope that someone special will organize the mining strike for you?
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