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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17053
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:25:00 -
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Marcus Gideon wrote:WHY does anyone think this HUGE waste of PLEX is a good thing? Other than mass producing alts for the express purpose of selling them to other players who are too lazy to train alts themselves?
I just don't get it. Because, again, it's hellalot cheaper in the long run since the whole point is to train up short-queue characters that don't all need to be logged in at the same time.
Let's look at month one: 3x subs = $45 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable. 3x PLEX = $60 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable OR - 3 slots, 3 training, 1 playable.
Month two: 3x subs = $45 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable (total $90) 3x PLEX = $60 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable (total $120) OR - 3 slots, 3 training, 1 playable (total $120).
Month three (when those two additional characters have finished training): 3x subs = $45 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable (total $135) 3x PLEX = $60 - 9 slots, 1 training, 3 playable (total $180, but two characters that aren't training anything). 1x 1 PLEX = $20 - 3 slots, 1 training, 1 playable (total $140, because I don't need to train those two characters any more).
Month four: 3x subs = $45 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable (total $180) 3x PLEX = $60 - 9 slots, 1 training, 3 playable (total $240, but two characters that aren't training anything). 1x Plex 1 PLEX = $20 - 3 slots, 1 training, 1 playable (total $160, because I don't need to train those two characters any more).
GǪso already at month four, you've paid less than if you were using subs. Over a year, you're looking at 3+ù12 subs ($540) or PLEXes ($720) for the three-account solution, but 12+2+ù2 PLEX ($320) for the triple-training method. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
228
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Posted - 2013.10.21 04:13:00 -
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well that should help train up that titan hold.. I mean.. science alt.. yes |

Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
536
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Posted - 2013.10.21 13:12:00 -
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Electra Magnetic wrote:Why not just implement a character merger?
oh wait, I forgot, CCP just wants to sell more PLEX.
they dont really care about the players or what we want. Ghghchkrk BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Reverse mitosis for the win! http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |

Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.21 14:39:00 -
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I think it's a rip off to be honest.
It's great that multiple character training exists but it's not like you can use two character at the same time like you can with two separate accounts. +1 |

Robau
Dark Providence
2
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Posted - 2013.10.21 16:31:00 -
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WTB double speed training with extra plex on one character, will this be available sometime? |

Savira Terrant
Forsaken Identity Unchained.
60
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:33:00 -
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Robau wrote:WTB double speed training with extra plex on one character, will this be available sometime?
Savira Terrant wrote:Hell no. I don't even have to give reason. . |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
185
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:05:00 -
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Vicente Gasoil wrote:First
on topic: Nice addition. Nothing revolutionary, but it doesn't hurt at all
The Revolution will be not be televised? Just remember, great things have small beginnings. |

Jack O'Connal
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Marcus Gideon wrote:WHY does anyone think this HUGE waste of PLEX is a good thing? Other than mass producing alts for the express purpose of selling them to other players who are too lazy to train alts themselves?
I just don't get it. Because, again, it's hellalot cheaper in the long run since the whole point is to train up short-queue characters that don't all need to be logged in at the same time.
Your math fails to account for trial accounts. You can get 51 days of training on a 2nd account and 30 days of training on your main account for 1 PLEX. That more than makes up for the $20 transfer fee to move the character from your 2nd account to your main when you can done training that character.
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Savira Terrant
Forsaken Identity Unchained.
61
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Posted - 2013.10.22 08:21:00 -
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Jack O'Connal wrote:Tippia wrote:Marcus Gideon wrote:WHY does anyone think this HUGE waste of PLEX is a good thing? Other than mass producing alts for the express purpose of selling them to other players who are too lazy to train alts themselves?
I just don't get it. Because, again, it's hellalot cheaper in the long run since the whole point is to train up short-queue characters that don't all need to be logged in at the same time. Your math fails to account for trial accounts. You can get 51 days of training on a 2nd account and 30 days of training on your main account for 1 PLEX. That more than makes up for the $20 transfer fee to move the character from your 2nd account to your main when you can done training that character.
Valid point, but even then I would not want to start an extra account for an alt I do not need the to log in at the same time anyway. I already have like 6 accounts I will never use again (all listed in account-management).
I wish we could delete accounts, just to stop my OCD from ticking me off. . |

Teen Skord
Devastating House Devastating Reign
5
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:05:00 -
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Lucidia fern wrote:So you can either own two accounts or have two toons on one account both the same price yet less functionality with the latter as you cannot log onto both at the same time
I don't see the point currently.
Try reading the thread it's been explained in detail multiple times.
In short, it's nice once you stop training and don't have to use plexes to keep the account active. Now i have 3 accounts with 9 useful pilots instead of 9 accounts which would be ridiculous to plex each months. Cyno alts, Research alts, Supercap alts, PI alts etc.. dont need to stay logged in very long. |

Dex Thunakar
Evil Genius Organisation
17
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:14:00 -
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Decaneos wrote:I'm sorry but i just don't see the point in this, if it was cheaper somehow to run the accounts of your alts on one account, say like 45 days for a plex or longer then i would see a point to this, otherwise why not just have 3 separate accounts that you can then play at the same time or not as you choose, after all it actually costs the same other that that initial fee.
It's even cheaper to train them on seperate accounts because of the discounts you can get for longer subscriptions... |

Dex Thunakar
Evil Genius Organisation
17
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:16:00 -
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Teen Skord wrote:Lucidia fern wrote:So you can either own two accounts or have two toons on one account both the same price yet less functionality with the latter as you cannot log onto both at the same time
I don't see the point currently. Try reading the thread it's been explained in detail multiple times. In short, it's nice once you stop training and don't have to use plexes to keep the account active. Now i have 3 accounts with 9 useful pilots instead of 9 accounts which would be ridiculous to plex each months. Cyno alts, Research alts, Supercap alts, PI alts etc.. dont need to stay logged in very long.
Ok, so you're saying once your character has been trained it's useful to transfer that character to your main account (which costs money) and then just use PLEX to continue training anyway? *confused*
Or if you're talking about not training them anymore at all after the transfer, I really don't see how your comment is related to the dual-character training thing.... |

Teen Skord
Devastating House Devastating Reign
5
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:23:00 -
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Dex Thunakar wrote:Teen Skord wrote:Lucidia fern wrote:So you can either own two accounts or have two toons on one account both the same price yet less functionality with the latter as you cannot log onto both at the same time
I don't see the point currently. Try reading the thread it's been explained in detail multiple times. In short, it's nice once you stop training and don't have to use plexes to keep the account active. Now i have 3 accounts with 9 useful pilots instead of 9 accounts which would be ridiculous to plex each months. Cyno alts, Research alts, Supercap alts, PI alts etc.. dont need to stay logged in very long. Ok, so you're saying once your character has been trained it's useful to transfer that character to your main account (which costs money) and then just use PLEX to continue training anyway? *confused* Or if you're talking about not training them anymore at all after the transfer, I really don't see how your comment is related to the dual-character training thing....
it would be pointless to transfer the characters and has nothing to do with dual character training. My supercap account now has 3 useful pilots, a reasearch alt and a link alt. the last two don't need training anymore or need to be logged in when my super is. so now i have 3 useful ACTIVE pilots for 1 plex a month. |

Scion Lex
Tungsten Carbonide Asset Management
39
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:31:00 -
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Dev Blog: MULTIPLE CHARACTER TRAINING By: CCP Xhagen Paragraph 5, Bullet point 4, Line 1; it is spelled excited, not exited. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17073
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Posted - 2013.10.22 16:08:00 -
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Jack O'Connal wrote:Your math fails to account for trial accounts. You can get 51 days of training on a 2nd account and 30 days of training on your main account for 1 PLEX. That more than makes up for the $20 transfer fee to move the character from your 2nd account to your main when you can done training that character. SoGǪ that's 1 PLEX ($20) + transfer fee ($20) for 51 days and the hassle of starting a new account and transferring the characters (which wastes a day of training time) GÇö in total $40 for 50 days GÇö compared to 2 PLEX / $40 for 60 days of dual training?
Yeah, multiple character training still seems cheaper. Also, can you even get PLEX/game time if your buddy account is activated with a PLEX any more? I thought they removed thatGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Samuel Wess
Stain Police Happy Cartel
28
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Posted - 2013.10.22 18:17:00 -
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I would love a feature to stop training the character training when trying to start a skill on another character from account, not sure it will worth a plex for each activation, maybe for implementation :) Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!" |

Steven Wolf
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:51:00 -
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it cheaper just to have 3 accounts and you can play then at the same time. why would I want to pay for 3 plexs at 20$ each when I can just spent 15 per month for 3 accounts . that I can use at the same time. |

Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
82
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Posted - 2013.10.22 21:06:00 -
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Does anyone know when the target painter cycle time change is coming ? I've done some really stupid **** in this game. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17079
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Posted - 2013.10.23 02:38:00 -
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Steven Wolf wrote:it cheaper just to have 3 accounts and you can play then at the same time. why would I want to pay for 3 plexs at 20$ each when I can just spent 15 per month for 3 accounts . that I can use at the same time. Because it's much more expensive to pay for three accounts than to just pay for one. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Marcus Gideon
Federal Defense Operations Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
139
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Posted - 2013.10.23 08:00:00 -
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You guys are all correct...
It is cheaper to pay for 1 account, than it is to pay for 3...
Unless you are PLEXing 1 account 3 times so you can train some useless alts.
Useless, I say? But... there's no such thing as a useless alt in EVE!
Except... they're all trapped on a single account. So what are you planning on using them for? Market alts? Haven't you heard of Eve-central.com ? There's no longer a need for an alt to be parked in the hub, to give you price checks.
Maybe you're trying to be your own Capital caravan? So you make an alt to fly ahead and light Cynos for your Capital pilot main... no, wait... you can't light a Cyno, and then log out, and hope to get logged back in and jump to that same Cyno... b/c all the toons are on the same acct!
So... what is the point of having somewhat trained alts trapped on an account? Or were you going to be xfer'ing them to extra accts later on, to make them playable? So... you paid extra PLEX each month, to get them trained, and then you're going to pay extra to xfer them to another acct? Why not make them on extra accts to begin with?
Do you guys see how the "throw more money at the game, because it's cheaper that way" logic really falls apart? |

Tim Valentine
Valentine Support
2
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Posted - 2013.10.23 11:04:00 -
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1. Well nice... you can pay 1 month and have unlimited access to an "freighter alt" Thats just damaging my business. Thanks CCP.
2. Why the hell is everybody using alts and stuff?!? Have YOU ever heard of "multiplayer experience" or "roleplay" ? (unless you roleplay as an amarr bishop with like 100 slaves ^^) Those alt-users (probably you) are just lazy greedy *censored* 
why trusting webbers or cyno pilots if you got an ALT?! why paying for transport if you got an ALT?! why gaining anyones trust... you got an ALT!! why mining alone if you got an ALT?!?! why need help of other players... you got an ALT!!
with great ALT comes great reward!
3. CCP, is this the Gamestyle you prefer? Or is it just greed and ignorance? //-¼]_ ' |

Jack O'Connal
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 13:22:00 -
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Quote:SoGǪ that's 1 PLEX ($20) + transfer fee ($20) for 51 days and the hassle of starting a new account and transferring the characters (which wastes a day of training time) GÇö in total $40 for 50 days GÇö compared to 2 PLEX / $40 for 60 days of dual training?
Yeah, multiple character training still seems cheaper. Also, can you even get PLEX/game time if your buddy account is activated with a PLEX any more? I thought they removed thatGǪ
No. That's 1 PLEX + $20 for 80 days of training. You get 51 days on the new account and 30 days on the referring account. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17080
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Posted - 2013.10.23 18:43:00 -
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Marcus Gideon wrote:You guys are all correct... It is cheaper to pay for 1 account, than it is to pay for 3...
Unless you are PLEXing 1 account 3 times so you can train some useless alts. Useless, I say? But... there's no such thing as a useless alt in EVE!
Except... they're all trapped on a single account. So what are you planning on using them for? All the myriad of small tasks that don't require the alt to be logged in all the time. Trading, industry, R&D, PI, and yes even cyno alts (as alts on the second account).
Quote:So... what is the point of having somewhat trained alts trapped on an account? That you gain access to a ton more slots and queues and timers than you would if you left those character slots empty. In fact, let's turn the question around: what's the point of having low-trained single-purpose alts on separate accounts?
Quote:So... you paid extra PLEX each month, to get them trained, and then you're going to pay extra to xfer them to another acct? Why not make them on extra accts to begin with? No. You just pay extra PLEX each month to get them trained. No transfer-fees are needed unless you do them on second accounts (which is exactly what this lets you avoid), and you don't want to do that because it costs more GÇö either due to the transfer cost or to keeping those accounts active for no good reason.
Quote:Do you guys see how the "throw more money at the game, because it's cheaper that way" logic really falls apart? Since they actually end up hellalot cheaper, and since this has been shown again and again, the simple logic of arithmetic doesn't actually fall apartGǪ
Jack O'Connal wrote:No. That's 1 PLEX + $20 for 80 days of training. You get 51 days on the new account and 30 days on the referring account. GǪbut again, didn't they remove that offer if you activated through PLEX? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Savira Terrant
Forsaken Identity Unchained.
62
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Posted - 2013.10.24 10:44:00 -
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If you guys think an alt on the same account with two months of training doesn't do anything good, I just pity your lack of imagination.  Then again I won't tell you either, since I am a bit competitive.  . |

Dan Rae
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:55:00 -
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Why do we have to buy a plex/2nd account to activate training queues for each of our characters, especially seeing as we can only use 1 character at a time anyway. It just seems like money grabbing.
What is bad about having two characters training at the same time, on 1 plex, when you can only use 1 at a time? |

Savira Terrant
Forsaken Identity Unchained.
63
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Posted - 2013.10.25 13:46:00 -
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Dan Rae wrote:Why do we have to buy a plex/2nd account to activate training queues for each of our characters, especially seeing as we can only use 1 character at a time anyway. It just seems like money grabbing.
What is bad about having two characters training at the same time, on 1 plex, when you can only use 1 at a time?
Because, the way trainingtime works is an integral part of the skilling system. Since one is needed to decide to pay a second account/do MCT or just deal with one character training (which is a choice given, that's good) this should never change.
If it was like you want from the beginning, I'd have no argument against it. . |
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