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Natas Liah	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:46:00 - [1] Edited by: Natas Liah on 30/01/2006 22:46:48 Freighter dont drop cans when you blow them up, thats very stupid for a game like EVE where people lose their ship, equipment and cargo when getting killed, its a major downside which is only equalled by the upside of whoever kills that person gets a chance at grabbing whatever the person lost. This method of your loss = someone elses gain works for all ships in EVE except for freighters, freighters just happen to be one of the worst things you could lose if you happen to get blown up. In turn with this, they also happen to be one of the best kills you could get in terms of the killer due to all the loot they drop, but oh wait, freighters dont drop loot, all in all, everyone is **ed off with the outcome and **ed of players is not a good thing.
Wendat Huron	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:48:00 - [2] It's however a great isk sink.
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:48:00 - [3] Go check the size of a jetcan. Then go check the size of a cargo hold in a frieghter. Do some simple maths. Then come back here and edit your post please kk thxs.
Natas Liah	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:50:00 - [4] Edited by: Natas Liah on 30/01/2006 22:51:02 Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Go check the size of a jetcan. Then go check the size of a cargo hold in a frieghter. Do some simple maths. Then come back here and edit your post please kk thxs. Go blow up a npc hauler spawn. With 50 mill of trit dropping, then see how multiple jet cans (loot cans) are dropped all at once to make up for the extra loot. The same idea could be implemented for freighters, but hasnt been, could this be down to laziness? If so, this gets me back to my main point, this should have been implemented, its a bad mark on a very well done game.
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:53:00 - [5] Yes, they should drop some of their cargo into cans. I think this will probably be patched in at some point. No reason not to patch it in. To the victors go the spoils.
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:54:00 - [6] I think its more becuase of the lag that would be caused when the freighter pops as the server needs to calculate what goes where etc. With a full freighter full of alot of items this could generate a huge lag spike messing up people all over the node. This is just a theory I have.
Natas Liah	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Wild Rho I think its more becuase of the lag that would be caused when the freighter pops as the server needs to calculate what goes where etc. With a full freighter full of alot of items this could generate a huge lag spike messing up people all over the node. This is just a theory I have. With all the changes, well, more like removing or dumbing down of features recently, i wonder how long before ccp just turn EVE into one game of asteroids.
SunSzu	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:56:00 - [8] Okay, so maybe it would be better if they did drop loot cans when they popped, but to call this one of CCP's greatest errors seems more than a bit melodramatic. I think there's plenty of bigger problems. -SunSzu You can cage an animal, but you can't take away the rage...
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Wild Rho I think its more becuase of the lag that would be caused when the freighter pops as the server needs to calculate what goes where etc. With a full freighter full of alot of items this could generate a huge lag spike messing up people all over the node. This is just a theory I have. Dropping a few cans isn't going to lag the server.
Selena Sellion	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:57:00 - [10] 200 shuttles in a freighter for the win
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Natas Liah Go blow up a npc hauler spawn. With 50 mill of trit dropping, then see how multiple jet cans (loot cans) are dropped all at once to make up for the extra loot. The same idea could be implemented for freighters, but hasnt been, could this be down to laziness? If so, this gets me back to my main point, this should have been implemented, its a bad mark on a very well done game. Ok then if you won't do it. I will. A hauler spawn. Biggest amount of cans I saw from a duel hauler spawn in -1.0 space was 6 cans between both haulers. (full of tasty zyd) I think biggest I've ever heard reported was 8. Now lets look at the Fenrir. 720,000m3. Now lets look at the Jetcan. 27,500m3. Bit of a difference there. Now lets do some maths. 720,000/27,500 = 26.181818181818181818181818181818 So you want EVERYTHING on the frieghter that survives to be squeezed into tiny Jetcans before the whole thing goes boom. By that logic that must mean everything in a freighter will be contained in segemented cargo holds and consquently it would be unable to haul anything with a mass bigger than 27,500m3. Which defys the point of a freighter. Freighters have no safety margin, no emergency jet can has been designed for them, fly in .4, get blown up without proper escourt/scout. Thats your problem. Your honour. I rest my case.
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Nee'kita Frist So you want EVERYTHING on the frieghter that survives to be squeezed into tiny Jetcans before the whole thing goes boom. Everything? Only some things go the cans. Some are destroyed. The topic being addressed is why you can loot other ships but not freighters. Blow one up and surely you should get some of it's loot.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:00:00 - [13] Why not just have a freighter can with a max of 1.000.000m? tbh its pretty **** that freighters dont drop loot
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:01:00 - [14] Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 30/01/2006 23:06:20 Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Nee'kita Frist So you want EVERYTHING on the frieghter that survives to be squeezed into tiny Jetcans before the whole thing goes boom. Everything? Only some things go the cans. Some are destroyed. The topic being addressed is why you can loot other ships but not freighters. Blow one up and surely you should get some of it's loot. Re-read my sentance please, infact let me highlight the keywords for your brain to process correctly. Originally by: Tenacha Khan Why not just have a freighter can with a max of 1.000.000m? tbh its pretty **** that freighters dont drop loot Those are called station cans and theres a reason behind them being called station cans. I hate people who don't read. Also look in this thread and view the second post for someone who also thinks logicily and more than 2 feet in front of them. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=287825
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:05:00 - [15] Edited by: Syrec on 30/01/2006 23:05:56 Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Re-read my sentance please, infact let me highlight the keywords for your brain to process correctly. I hate people who don't read. I read and my brain works fine. Hate and flame all you want, it really makes you look intelligent. FYI, it's sentence, not sentance.
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Syrec Edited by: Syrec on 30/01/2006 23:05:56 Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Re-read my sentance please, infact let me highlight the keywords for your brain to process correctly. I hate people who don't read. I read and my brain works fine. Hate and flame all you want, it really makes you look intelligent. FYI, it's sentence, not sentance. Where am I flaming? I make no statement against your character. I make a general sweeping statement about people who do not read at the end of my post. At no point do I indicate you are the object of that hate, although you are doing your best to do so.
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Where am I flaming? I make no statement against your character. I make a general sweeping statement about people who do not read at the end of my post. At no point do I indicate you are the object of that hate, although you are doing your best to do so.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 30/01/2006 23:06:20 Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Nee'kita Frist So you want EVERYTHING on the frieghter that survives to be squeezed into tiny Jetcans before the whole thing goes boom. Everything? Only some things go the cans. Some are destroyed. The topic being addressed is why you can loot other ships but not freighters. Blow one up and surely you should get some of it's loot. Re-read my sentance please, infact let me highlight the keywords for your brain to process correctly. Originally by: Tenacha Khan Why not just have a freighter can with a max of 1.000.000m? tbh its pretty **** that freighters dont drop loot Those are called station cans and theres a reason behind them being called station cans. I hate people who don't read. Also look in this thread and view the second post for someone who also thinks logicily and more than 2 feet in front of them. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=287825 Im sure we were talking about Freighters not jetting cans when they die, so, no I wasnt talking about a station container. Freighters cant jettison items in normal conditions, so having a large can on destruction wont effect any other part of gameplay. The item you linked has nothing to do with this post, you on drugs or drunk?
Kishti	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Natas Liah With all the changes, well, more like removing or dumbing down of features recently, i wonder how long before ccp just turn EVE into one game of asteroids. Asteroids was a great game.
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.01.31 01:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Tenacha Khan Im sure we were talking about Freighters not jetting cans when they die, so, no I wasnt talking about a station container. Freighters cant jettison items in normal conditions, so having a large can on destruction wont effect any other part of gameplay. The item you linked has nothing to do with this post, you on drugs or drunk? my point being that in the thread I linked a guy explains why there would be problem of jetting cans from Freighters. The only cans large enough at present to do the job are station cans, but they logiclly stay on stations per their name. Although I'm sure it'll be fixed someday. I provided a reasonable explanation that will fit the storyline for the minute as to why Frieghters cannot jet cans.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.01.31 01:39:00 - [21] I've seen an NPC hauler spawn drop over 30 cans of tritanium. 26 cans is fine. The real issue is that the killmail could crash the server. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.01.31 01:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Ok then if you won't do it. I will. A hauler spawn. Biggest amount of cans I saw from a duel hauler spawn in -1.0 space was 6 cans between both haulers. (full of tasty zyd) I think biggest I've ever heard reported was 8. I've seen 4 haulers drop 6 cans of tritanium each for a total of 24 cans of tritanium. If you've only seen 8 cans total you've been lucky (I, and all my corpmates, cheer when we see only a single can drop from a npc 0.0 hauler spawns - means its probably got tasty nocxium or isogen in it!)
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.01.31 02:10:00 - [23] You really want a freighter blowing up with 1,000,000,000 shuttles coming out? Bye bye node. -
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2006.01.31 04:41:00 - [24] Originally by: MysticNZ You really want a freighter blowing up with 1,000,000,000 shuttles coming out? Bye bye node. Like 4s already did in Jita a while ago? :\| Ships pop out of freighters into space afaik. Just not cargo. Or at least they used to. --- God-King of Genitalia
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.01.31 06:11:00 - [25] They could always allow only up to a max of 1 jetcan worth of loot to survive in a freighter. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
Nebuli	Posted - 2006.01.31 07:22:00 - [26] Think the real reason they dont drop stuff was explained by a dev in a similar post awhile ago, I cant remember the EXACT reason but it was something like..... They dont want Freighters to be able to drop ships etc etc in space, only move from station to station, if they did drop their cargo it could be used to bring fuel, ships, mods etc to deap space, destroyed, and then the stuff collected. It was something along those lines anyway, like I say I dont remember exactly what the reason was, but it was something close to this.
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.01.31 07:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Ok then if you won't do it. I will. A hauler spawn. Biggest amount of cans I saw from a duel hauler spawn in -1.0 space was 6 cans between both haulers. (full of tasty zyd) I think biggest I've ever heard reported was 8. Now lets do some maths. 720,000/27,500 = 26.181818181818181818181818181818 Have had 10, often. And about your math, devide that by the survival rate of the cargo... There, it now fits in those 10.
Pirahna Joe	Posted - 2006.01.31 08:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Wendat Huron It's however a great isk sink. I dont haul my isk in freighter, so no it's not an isk sink.
TheNecromancer	Posted - 2006.01.31 09:11:00 - [29] * One of CCPs major errors not giving me some more isk..and 2-3 Titans ccp makes no errors...hint hint
H Zub	Posted - 2006.01.31 09:20:00 - [30] Edited by: H Zub on 31/01/2006 09:20:50 CCP's major errors: - Forcing people into bigger groups/blobs - Selling a service wich is not really working The Hunter Hypnotized

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