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Ruah Piskonit	Posted - 2006.02.02 08:51:00 - [61] Fantastic.
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:25:00 - [62] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 02/02/2006 09:26:13 Quote: What has the Republic done lately? And, what exactly have you done lately? The decision to not actually discuss politics with U'K still stands. But a straight answer to a straight question. My current main project answers to both. This past month, I have worked to bring thousands of Minmatar people from the Amarr Domain to Republic space, and with the help of Sebiestor Tribe administration agents (thus, with the Republic) arranged for them official citizenships and freedom, together with education opportunities to some. I feel that this is a prime example about how pilots who really want to do it can work together with the Republic to better our society. It is also an example about how the Republic does work in some things, even if they fail in others and do not make pompous public statements about their successes all the time. In addition to the above, among other things, I have been involved with Gradient work, building an independent and strong industrial infrastructure such that could be useful e.g. in a time of war; I have fought to keep Republic spaceways safe of pirates; I have helped the Sebiestor tribe administration to keep at bay a rogue drone problem in Eurgrana; I have tried to protest against the border laws that prevent immigrants from Amarr space freely entering the Republic; and I have participated in diplomatic and political communications in order to strengthen us all. -- Peace in a pod
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:45:00 - [63] And we havent? You still do not understand my dear. We support our people more vehemently than even you realise I should imagine. Just because the leaders of the Republic are fools, it does not mean we dont help the people of the Republic. We have very strong ties to the Republic Fleet, to the tribes, to the security services. We help our people at many levels, and at many times. And we do a lot of it. And that is what we are doing now, attempting to help our people. We will not stand blindly by while their leaders drag them into even deeper trouble. The Republic goverment != Our people. And as for the Amarrians who spittle over this thread in apparent joy. Pathetic children. - - The fire burns..
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2006.02.02 10:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino And as for the Amarrians who spittle over this thread in apparent joy. Pathetic children. I believe that the "children" comment has already been used in this discussion. Anyway, believe me when I say that it gives me no joy to see the beginnings of a civil war in the Republic. All it will do is kill millions of potential slaves and leave an even bigger mess for the Empire to clean up. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.02.02 10:14:00 - [65] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 02/02/2006 10:16:13 Pilot Murino, I did not question your doings; I merely answered when mine where questioned by your people. I would also like to add that I find the address of "my dear" from you to me extremely inappropriate. -- Peace in a pod
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.02.02 10:14:00 - [66] A civil war? Haha. - - The fire burns..
Dak Hakin	Posted - 2006.02.02 10:26:00 - [67] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Khaldorn Murino And as for the Amarrians who spittle over this thread in apparent joy. Pathetic children. I believe that the "children" comment has already been used in this discussion. Anyway, believe me when I say that it gives me no joy to see the beginnings of a civil war in the Republic. All it will do is kill millions of potential slaves and leave an even bigger mess for the Empire to clean up. I do look forward to your comments slaver. You contribute so many comments for us to contemplate. Well, ok, in honesty we simply laugh at them. _______________________________________________ Proudly serving Electus Matari Mr. Grumpy-sour-pus
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.02.02 10:41:00 - [68] Nothing like a slaver to unite Minmatars. Elsebeth, I do apologise. Tensions are high at the moment, as you well know. We all have the same aim in mind: to help our people. We just disagree in how to do it. The leadership is rotten. You know this. It needs changing, it needs strong leadership does it not? - - The fire burns..
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2006.02.02 10:57:00 - [69] I can only urge you all to shrug off the chains of planetbound thinking and outmoded forms of social organisation and government just as you have broken the chains that once bound you to the Amarrian Empire. Capsuleerism is the way forward and the establishment of the era of Posthuman Anarchs our destiny. The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.02.02 11:30:00 - [70] What about the billions of my people who arent pod pilots Cosmo? - - The fire burns..
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2006.02.02 11:35:00 - [71] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino What about the billions of my people who arent pod pilots Cosmo? At best, a source of new blood; at worst, a distraction. The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.02.02 11:49:00 - [72] Sometimes, people like you scare me more than the slavers Cosmo. Im just glad your power is limited. - - The fire burns..
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.02.02 11:54:00 - [73] Quote: Elsebeth, I do apologise. Tensions are high at the moment, as you well know. We all have the same aim in mind: to help our people. We just disagree in how to do it. The leadership is rotten. You know this. It needs changing, it needs strong leadership does it not? Apology accepted. I agree there is problems inside the Republic, and that some things need improving. I am not so certain that changing the high leadership will solve anything, though; it seems to me that the major problems are in bureaucracy and inter-clan rivalries that stop the system from working effectively. New leaders would either need to turn despots or have the exact same problems as the current ones do. But maybe that is a topic for another thread; maybe I will start one... with my next column thing, or something. -- Peace in a pod
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.02.02 12:06:00 - [74] Quote: "Domestic reforms have been desperately needed for months now, but the tribes are too preoccupied with their constant game of one-upmanship to remember that there is a populace to support," .. with the seeming reluctance of the authorities to attend to aspects of domestic relevance You know as well as I do that tribal leaders rule their tribes. They should be concentrating on sorting this out. Apparently they are not. I do not see how else it could be contrived to be honest. It saddens me beyond words. - - The fire burns..
Filan	Posted - 2006.02.02 16:34:00 - [75] Originally by: The Cosmopolite I can only urge you all to shrug off the chains of planetbound thinking and outmoded forms of social organisation and government just as you have broken the chains that once bound you to the Amarrian Empire. Capsuleerism is the way forward and the establishment of the era of Posthuman Anarchs our destiny. The Cosmopolite i used to think that myself, until that day i relized my family will come and go. myself going on forever with my clones. so when i had the chance i took the job as a Stargate controler and moved the whole family here. the ever open wormhole insures long life due to distortions in space-time.
Beringe	Posted - 2006.02.02 17:32:00 - [76] If I may comment on a slightly off-topic issue here... Originally by: Masc Suiza Caldari do not have slave camps, Slavery is illegal in the State. You are to be commended on your actions to combat this evil menace but even if you found individual Caldari involved in this activities then it should be remembered that they act on their own interest and not on behalf of or on the orders of the State. Slavery is illegal in the state, but interestingly enough it is not illegal for a Caldari to commit acts of slavery outside of state borders. In fact, our CEO panel has never even slightly complained about slavery to the Amarrian government. Still, I'd agree with a statement saying that slavery is against the Caldari mindset. At least the sort of slavery we are talking about in this instance. Although I do suspect that some of my fellow citizens would say that it's because it is so inefficient, not morally wrong. Then again, I'm known for having misunderstandings of this sort, and it has got me into trouble in the past. ------------------------------------------- Never underestimate the power of language.
Beringe	Posted - 2006.02.02 17:36:00 - [77] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Khaldorn Murino What about the billions of my people who arent pod pilots Cosmo? At best, a source of new blood; at worst, a distraction. My sarcastic retort dies on my lips in the face of such inhumanity. I think you just might be a monster. ------------------------------------------- Never underestimate the power of language.
Mangonis Venator	Posted - 2006.02.02 19:50:00 - [78] Facta, non verba. ___________________________________________________ Hunc tu caveto
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2006.02.02 19:55:00 - [79] Originally by: Beringe I think you just might be a monster. The Cosmopolite chuckles... You wouldn't be the first to make that claim. Sometimes I suspect a few of my fellow Jericho Fraction members regard me as a fiend. In fact, I am a transhumanist: to some a visionary with a dream of how our species may develop; to others a maniac plotting a nightmarish future. Perhaps, the truth lies somewhere between the two. I leave it for others to judge. The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.02.02 22:42:00 - [80] Originally by: Beringe My sarcastic retort dies on my lips in the face of such inhumanity. I think you just might be a monster. Fortunately, those of his kind are regarded by most as senile prophets of doom, or useless layabouts only interested in serving their own means. Insignifigant pebbles that bounced too far from the mountain. And the cluster is better for it. ----- All for the Good of Many Caldari Navy
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2006.02.03 02:07:00 - [81] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen Insignifigant pebbles that bounced too far from the mountain. Better to strike out and risk over-reaching oneself than to cling mindlessly to Mother State's distended paps, suckling on the sour milk of blind loyalty. The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.02.03 02:56:00 - [82] Originally by: The Cosmopolite than to cling mindlessly to Mother State's distended paps, suckling on the sour milk of blind loyalty. I realise loyalty is an alien concept to you, especially as you desert your Empire willingly but please, don't drag the rest of us down to your level. You are just as dependent on the Empires as any other pilot in this cluster. You were raised by them. You were trained by them. The ships you pilot, the capsule technology. It's all theirs. You will always be in their shadow, whether you profit off that or not is not my concern, although it does provide a degree of amusement. ----- All for the Good of Many Caldari Navy
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2006.02.03 11:07:00 - [83] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen I realise loyalty is an alien concept to you, especially as you desert your Empire willingly but please, don't drag the rest of us down to your level. You are just as dependent on the Empires as any other pilot in this cluster. Not at all. I make extensive use of non-empire, private capsuleer clone facilities. I operate primarily in 0.0 space, out of a mix of non-empire factional stations and private enterprise stations. My dependency on public infrastructure in the old empires is quite minimal and decreasing by the day. Quote: You were raised by them. You were trained by them. Well, no. I was not raised by people loyal to the Amarrian Empire. Moreover, I took advantage of certain facilities made available by one of the less conventional institutions in the Empire. I don't believe that makes me beholden to them or the Empire at large. Quote: The ships you pilot, the capsule technology. It's all theirs. You will always be in their shadow, whether you profit off that or not is not my concern, although it does provide a degree of amusement. Again, no. I am able to construct the technology I use or buy it from other private capsuleers without reference to any empire. Furthermore, I can do this without even venturing into empire space. I'm sorry to reveal this to those who insist on believing that the old order maintains an iron grip on affairs in the cluster but you're sadly mistaken. The plasma cell has been breached, so to speak, and there is no way to return the contents to their former confinement. The capsuleer class has outgrown the core empires. If you cannot see that, I simply pity you. To bring the matter back to the subject of this discussion thread, we see, in my view, an analogy in the upheavals racking the Minmatar Republic. This wretched and rather corrupt cod-republic tries in vain to secure the loyalty of the people it purports to represent. Try as it might to keep a hold of the situation, the people are dissatisfied with their lot. They seek a better life with greater opportunities for advancement. Those that stay behind collapse into a rather aimless, even mindless, tribal violence. Thus it is with the capsuleer class. Those with the vision to see the true potential of capsuleer societies strike out for the outer worlds and seek to build a new way of life. Those who lack that vision, or perhaps are simply afraid, remain behind, seeking protection under the skirts of the old order, occasionally lashing out in frustration at those who bind themselves to an opposing faction. It is a sad waste of material but perhaps it is as well that true capsuleer societies are not tainted by the weak of mind and heart. The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.02.03 11:58:00 - [84] Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 03/02/2006 12:05:40 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Well, no. I was not raised by people loyal to the Amarrian Empire. Moreover, I took advantage of certain facilities made available by one of the less conventional institutions in the Empire. I don't believe that makes me beholden to them or the Empire at large. Your employment history suggests otherwise, and this is something that can hardly be tampered with fortunately. The Empire gave you the technology that enabled you to spread your wings out in the wastelands. Originally by: The Cosmopolite Again, no. I am able to construct the technology I use or buy it from other private capsuleers without reference to any empire. Furthermore, I can do this without even venturing into empire space. You may have the ability to mimick the designs of the Empire's or the established non-pilot corporation's ships but the Purifier, for example is a product of the Amarrian Empire, not the shipbuilder who used the blueprint to manufacture it. Let me know when the Fraction releases it's own Interceptor Originally by: The Cosmopolite The capsuleer class has outgrown the core empires. If you cannot see that, I simply pity you. It is this kind of, self-professed elitism and arrogance that I find the most amusing of all. Firstly, let it be known that no capsuleer alliance in existance possesses enough military firepower to even dream of taking on any of the four Empire Navies, let alone the Empires themselves. The "capsuleer class" as you refer to them all currently stem from the Empire academies. Many of them work tirelessly to support the assorted Empire factions in return for monetary and assorted object rewards which take their fancy. Greed is a valuable motivator when there's a workforce to be taken advantage of. Empire space also has in it's favour, amenities far outstretching what is possible in the 0.0 regions and this is another drawcard in a cluster obsessed with materialism. Furthermore, with the Empires slowly swinging towards war, even more pod-pilots will be drawn in, simply because of the profits and personal glory that are offered in a war on the scale of something not seen for over a century. 0.0 is a lucrative place, fortunately those out there are too busy fighting themselves to realise what's really happening between the Empires will affect them more than anything else before. In fact...that's all you do out there isn't it? Fight and mine? As for the Republic, it would not surprise me in the slightest should a powergrab take place in the near future. With all this incompetance and incessant bickering floating about I'm surprised no-one has spoken out yet, although it seems you're quick enough to attack the State for it's research and technology. Regardless, you will reap what you have sown. And I imagine it will be time to harvest, very soon. ----- All for the Good of Many Caldari Navy
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2006.02.03 13:20:00 - [85] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen Your employment history suggests otherwise, and this is something that can hardly be tampered with fortunately. The Empire gave you the technology that enabled you to spread your wings out in the wastelands. I referred to precisely the institution recorded in that employment history. If you had taken the time to research the nature of that institution a little you would see that it is indeed less conventional than most Amarrian organisations and has a long and noble history of independent thought. Originally by: "Hedion University" The university was founded by spirited and liberal scholars free from the scrutinizing eye of the emperor and his theologians. Now, to deal with your other hootings... Quote: Let me know when the Fraction releases it's own Interceptor The day will come. That you deny it demonstrates how narrow your thinking is. As to the argument that because information (ie. a technological design) has been produced by one entity, anyone who uses it is therefore beholden to and dependent on the producing entity: nonsense. Do you here and now swear fealty to the Jovian Empire who gave your State capsule technology? Is the State, then, forever in the shadow of the Gallentean that developed practical FTL communications? Information is a liberator, not a set of shackles. Again, I pity you for believing it is the latter. Quote: 0.0 is a lucrative place, fortunately those out there are too busy fighting themselves to realise what's really happening between the Empires will affect them more than anything else before. In fact...that's all you do out there isn't it? Fight and mine? Once again you show your ignorance. The development of the outer worlds by capsuleer organisations continues apace. New infrastructure is being put in place regularly. Private capsuleer enterprises establish themselves and stimulate commerce with increasing enthusiasm. I am opposed to many 0.0 capsuleer organisations but I credit them with at least having a vision of what can be in the outer worlds. Those who take the step of living and working beyond the stifling confines of the empires are considerably more progressive, whatever their politics, than those that cling to the old order. The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.02.03 15:33:00 - [86] no Cosmo, the Caldari has got you. You were born of the Empire, given Pod technology by them and you copy their technology to make your isk and fly your ships. you use their jump gates, their warp technology, their weaponry, your entire existence is possible simply because of the various Factions of the cluster. For once have the grace to admit you are wrong, those flimsy arguments are just you grasping at straws. I mean come on, Hedion university is Amarr through and through my arrogant Muppet, and it birthed your into your POD and gave you your first Impairor, otherwise you'd be stuck on a planet like the billion of other being you feel so superior too. Your elite ships, the designs for the blue prints (every single one) has come not from YOU or from Jericho Fraction but from an agent of the factions who you have traded with and performed task for. Why if I were to bother to look at your standings it would reveal which government and which corporation you have dutifully sucked on for the milk of a BPO. these things are Fact Cosmo, no amount of "spin" will change that and every single Pod pilot here knows exactly the truth of it. We all came from a faction school and we all have R&D agents, it is how we all function in reality. You wouldn't be "Cosmopolite" with out the factions you claim serve no good end, you would be a poor wretch tilling a field somewhere staring up a the stars and dreaming of what might have been.
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2006.02.03 18:18:00 - [87] The Ushra'Khan stands for UNITY. The Republic represents the tenacious nature of the Matari peoples and their struggle for identity post-Amarri subjugation. Yet if what my eyes behold in this discussion alone is any sort of identifier for the larger root causes then I'd say the University's study is quite accurate. What's government done while you hold the cure for Vitoc? They leave it in your hands to make it a reality. If the Republic is as inept as everyone makes it out to be, perhaps they're not the best people to leave the cure to. Have you tried the Federation government? Private institutions? Have you attempted to research the cure yourselves? Some capsuleer corporations have profit margins higher than the gross domestic product of entire planetary systems; I imagine with a combined research team you could make far greater progress in faster time than any government could. And if it's manpower you need then my sister Nola would be more than happy to contribute to developing it; She's got more science degrees than I can shake a railgun at. What does our goverment do while its own people leave in droves? Who cares? Give them a reason to come back and give them a reason to feel some unity again. The economy in Republic space is faltering, but capsule corporations can make an impact in their own way. Not to sound patronizing, but if you've gone this far without the support of the Republic, why start now? What does our goverment do apart from act like children? A child asks what someone else will do for them. An adult does what needs to be done. Karen Midular is the leader of the nation, but it's people are responsible for it's prosperity. The real question is what are loyal Minmatar corporations going to do for the Republic?
Takitoo	Posted - 2006.02.03 18:26:00 - [88] Kaleigh, beneath that well made up exterior is a brain I'd love to have as a spokesperson for New Life. Consider this an invitation. ******************************************* Sei du selbst. Steh zu Dir. Die Wahrheit wird gelebt und nicht doziert.
Maggot	Posted - 2006.02.03 18:32:00 - [89] Kaleigh, Its not the real question. Its another question, and a very valid one.
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.02.04 18:17:00 - [90] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Have you tried the Federation government? Private institutions? Have you attempted to research the cure yourselves? Yes Yes Yes - - The fire burns..

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