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PC5
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:35:00 -
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So i was poded on gate to JITA. 1.0 ss system, ive lost 300M, attacker lost Raven, and got few M isks from loot. Im not crying but im mad. He took down my Iteron 3 in one shoot. Nothing special, isint it? BUT what about my time that i spend on earning those isks? Its over a month of play. I can do nothing now. GMs will not accept petiton and guy is happy that he poded me. Welcome to Eve.
WHATS THE POINT?
I play this game for fun and its only a game. But wheres fun in something like that? And im not only one who was poded there. Of course you can say its mine fault and it is in some way. ITS NOT FAIR that you can loose everything what you got in 1.0 system. I understand pod in 0.4 but in 1.0... Theres no fun in such game.
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Jiin
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:39:00 -
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Uhm, if you've got 300M you can make another 300M. Next time it'll happen to somebody else.
It's space, **** happens. It might just be good for you people to realize that even Empire isn't always cozy and safe.
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Jiin
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Electric Cucumber
That's what eVe is all about. There's always a risk like in RL.
Yeah, this is pretty comparable to going to the slums and getting raped and going to the shop and getting robbed. It'll happen or it won't.
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Electric Cucumber
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:40:00 -
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That's what eVe is all about. There's always a risk like in RL.
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PC5
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:42:00 -
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Ok guys i understand this. But this is not a reality. Im playing here to have fun. But theres no fun in such thing. Ive lost only 300M, but what about ppl who will lose tl2 BPOs/BPCs.
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Aureliano Jose
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Aureliano Jose on 02/02/2006 11:44:14
One of the main killers in this game is complacency. You are never safe, even in 1.0 space. Thinking otherwise will get you killed eventually. Was their nothing you could have done? i.e insta's or stabs?
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Jiin
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jiin on 02/02/2006 11:43:39
Originally by: PC5
Im playing here to have fun.
Yes, and so is he. Who says this game is created solely for your enjoyment?
Get down from your ivory tower already.
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Eamz
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:48:00 -
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I have done this before. I think its one of the most underused and profitable ways of pirating. Of course you lose sec, but you lose that anywhere. Infact, i might go and do it again.
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Mephesto Nizal
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
Ok guys i understand this. But this is not a reality. Im playing here to have fun. But theres no fun in such thing. Ive lost only 300M, but what about ppl who will lose tl2 BPOs/BPCs.
this is eve reality, and all that comes with it.
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:52:00 -
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It is fun that people actully LOSE stuffs and have to "start over" again in EVE.
Its happens to pirates too. 300m. I have heard alot worse. So be happy 
talked to a guy yesterday that lost 800m and had to start over.
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PC5
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:53:00 -
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Maybe i should change game? :) I have a job rl life and enough of my own problems. But killing ppl in 1.0 is not a NORMAL play. I will never accept it but i have to live with it. But i know, this is eve, rules are rules. I cant do nothing now. No one told me in eve that this could happen, even tutorial says 1.0 is a safe space. Maybe people should know that they can be poded in 1.0? Now i know that but it costs me a lot. I think most ppl dont know that. Is it good and ok?
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
Maybe i should change game? :) I have a job rl life and enough of my own problems. But killing ppl in 1.0 is not a NORMAL play. I will never accept it but i have to live with it. But i know, this is eve, rules are rules. I cant do nothing now. No one told me in eve that this could happen, even tutorial says 1.0 is a safe space. Maybe people should know that they can be poded in 1.0? Now i know that but it costs me a lot. I think most ppl dont know that. Is it good and ok?
It is good and ok. And 1.0 is a safeplace. But not 100%
And most people know you can get podded in 1.0
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PC5
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xoria Krint
Originally by: PC5
Maybe i should change game? :) I have a job rl life and enough of my own problems. But killing ppl in 1.0 is not a NORMAL play. I will never accept it but i have to live with it. But i know, this is eve, rules are rules. I cant do nothing now. No one told me in eve that this could happen, even tutorial says 1.0 is a safe space. Maybe people should know that they can be poded in 1.0? Now i know that but it costs me a lot. I think most ppl dont know that. Is it good and ok?
It is good and ok. And 1.0 is a safeplace. But not 100%
And most people know you can get podded in 1.0
But its annooing that it can be done in such way.
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Mimio
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:01:00 -
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Killing people in 1.0 is routine operation. A s in real life. Eve heard about crimes?
Just be careful, and put your stuff into contaigners or even use missions. I am not sure, but cargo scanner should fail to scan this.
Buy brutix or ferox, heavy tank it, add as mush warpcorestabs as you can and transport your most valuable parts in real warship.
Use instas.
I see no problem here.
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Jiin
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jiin on 02/02/2006 12:03:07
Originally by: PC5
But its annooing that it can be done in such way.
No getting away from that, but I don't see you complaining about ore theft which, in my book, is worse.
At least what happened to you is a one-hit gank and he probably won't ever meet you again (well, except after this thread, if he sees it, he probably will).
Ore thieves can simply camp you at his leisure. Not all of us are blessed with battleships and HACs to be able to defend ourselves.
Or do you reckon I oughta zip out there in my Crusader and tickle his chin?
Originally by: Mimio
Just be careful, and put your stuff into contaigners or even use missions. I am not sure, but cargo scanner should fail to scan this.
Exactly! As some pirate corp said at some point, CCP have provided you with a multitude of ways to defend yourself both in Empire and in 0.0. It's up to you whether you use it or not.
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
Originally by: Xoria Krint
Originally by: PC5
Maybe i should change game? :) I have a job rl life and enough of my own problems. But killing ppl in 1.0 is not a NORMAL play. I will never accept it but i have to live with it. But i know, this is eve, rules are rules. I cant do nothing now. No one told me in eve that this could happen, even tutorial says 1.0 is a safe space. Maybe people should know that they can be poded in 1.0? Now i know that but it costs me a lot. I think most ppl dont know that. Is it good and ok?
It is good and ok. And 1.0 is a safeplace. But not 100%
And most people know you can get podded in 1.0
But its annooing that it can be done in such way.
It is also annooing that carebears use warp core stabs.
It is also annooing that pirates has been nerfed
It is also annooing that Tranq lagging atm
It is also annooing that my war targets insta logg when i enter local
It is also annooing that my location agent is 30jumps away from my base
it is also annooing to get 100mails/day by n00bs that want to split my bounty
It is also annooing that etc etc etc
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KingAc
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:03:00 -
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No i dont suck. Its part of the game really.
You did get unlucky to get killde in safe space this do happen. If you are really ****t hire mercs to kill the corp. IF he is hiding in some noob corp its cpp doing that still always 2 yers charithers in noob corps.
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PC5
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: PC5 on 02/02/2006 12:10:11
Edited by: PC5 on 02/02/2006 12:09:17
Anyway im going back to work now (in rl). So much from fun today. It was a hard lesson which i will remebrer. I understand all youre guys saying. But anyway im mad, because ive worked hard and its not fair. But this is eve and rl sucks sometimes too. CONCORD destroyed his ship, he destroyed mine, he took loot when CONCORD was there, so theres no problem at all. Its normal in Eve. If this game is so real then i cant see logic here.
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Rikkard Strofeldt
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:11:00 -
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Excrement happens. Get used to it. Its not nice, but its here to stay.
Fit modules to counteract it. MWD, shield hardeners, etc. Make sure you can live long enough for CONCORD to do their thing.
Alternatively you can fit a mining laser to an Iteron V and mine for your cash. Slow, boring, but steady.
Or you could play the game their way...
YARR!!! 
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Sendraks
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
But its annooing that it can be done in such way.
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Its annoying when you lose your ship anywhere, you just have decide how you deal with it. Do you suck it up, make note of the experience and get on with the game or do you come whine here about something thats perfectly valid within the game mechanics so no one will do anything about it.
Originally by: PC5
Anyway im going back to work now (in rl).
Yes. And. So. What? You're not the only Eve player to have a job in.....shock horror....real life.
Originally by: PC5
So much from fun today. It was a hard lesson which i will remebrer. I understand all youre guys saying. But anyway im mad, because ive worked hard and its not fair.
Why is it not fair? Nowhere in the game does it tell you that you a free from aggression in 0.0 from other players? The guy who killed you worked hard as well and (unless he was complete idiot) knew the risks and losses that would incurred of attacking you in empire space.
Eve is not a game that babies new players like other MMORPGs do. There are no none-PvP zones short of being docked in a station.
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Jiin
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
Edited by: PC5 on 02/02/2006 12:10:11
Edited by: PC5 on 02/02/2006 12:09:17
Anyway im going back to work now (in rl). So much from fun today. It was a hard lesson which i will remebrer. I understand all youre guys saying. But anyway im mad, because ive worked hard and its not fair. But this is eve and rl sucks sometimes too. CONCORD destroyed his ship, he destroyed mine, he took loot when CONCORD was there, so theres no problem at all. Its normal in Eve. If this game is so real then i cant see logic here.
Sure you're allowed to be angry, but be angry with yourself and no one else, because you're the only one you have to blame for being careless.
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
Im playing here to have fun.
Which is indeed why even 1.0 needs to be somewhat unsafe.
IMHO, for a game to be fun in long term, it needs to be challenging, and with current AI levels, challenge must come from PCs instead of NPCs.
Even if you're industrials, the goal is not try to outsmart system itself by collecting X ISKs, but rather collecting Y ISKs more than other industrials.
Safe empire system is rather fair; it lets everyone either write down 10 or so percents as expected PvP losses. Or you can choose make that loss smaller by outsmarting the challenges (transport ships, scouts, attention, etc etc).
Of course there is the safe option of just playing Progress Quest..
-Lasse
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:52:00 -
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The question is, what the hell did you do to **** someone off enough that they would waste a Raven to kill you?
I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide. |
Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
Ok guys i understand this. But this is not a reality. Im playing here to have fun. But theres no fun in such thing. Ive lost only 300M, but what about ppl who will lose tl2 BPOs/BPCs.
It is the fact your investment in time really means something, and can be lost, which makes EVE so fun. So different.
If you don't like the way the game is structured, play another game. But the rest of us enjoy it just the way it is, thank you.
And 'fairness' does not come into this. Is it fair to deny someone who is willing to lose a Raven the opportunity to enjoy killing a hauler and claiming the loot? 'Fairness' is a relative concept.
EVE is what it is. And that is what makes it great.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:53:00 -
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lol whiners, gotta love em.
I feel your pain, OP, but thats the breaks, even highsec has some element of risk.
remeber that next time
if you cant hack it, my i suggest another game , say Barbies Playhouse?
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Athena Pallas
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Posted - 2006.02.02 15:59:00 -
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Actually yesterday my corp mate lost 4 BILLION ISK to this strategy when people using this tactic took out his mammoth with EVERYTHING on it in Jita, 1.0 space. And the other guy just lost 1 insured raven, net loss 30 million + however much survived of the two ships to get looted by his buddy.
Is this fair (I'm really just asking, I can see both sides of the argument)?
By the way, those of you pulling out all the real life metaphors are full of it, in real life the police don't come in, shoot the mugger, and then turn around and leave while his accomplice is rummaging through the two dead guys pockets for all the money he can get. If someone mugged someone in plain daylight in a shopping mall with dozens of witnesses and RIGHT IN FRONT OF POLICE don't you think just maybe they'd get arrested?
I'm not crying about it, I'm just saying that it's definitely NOT like real life.
Food for thought,
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:33:00 -
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Anyway im going back to work now (in rl).
Yes. And. So. What? You're not the only Eve player to have a job in.....shock horror....real life.
Which simply meant that he wasn't going to be around to continue the discussion. No need to be rude about it. Unless, of course, you feel intimidated by people who are employed?
This incident highlights the fact that a minority of players in Eve have the most choices. Those who are out to screw over other players get to decide when and where. Those who aren't looking for such conflict have no choice over whether they interact with such players, whether it be 1.0 or 0.0.
Eve is a paradise for players that wish to irritate other players.
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Smagd
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:59:00 -
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Sigma,
I've seen freighter pilots offering their services for 700k / jump. Kinda hard to one-shot a freighter, and also pointless for a pirate, since they don't drop their stuff.
Only, which one would you trust with your 800m of cargo? You'd best look for really good friends here.
Maybe it's a better idea to shift the expensive stuff in a tier-1 battleship with all cargo expanders in low. That's gonna go over 2000 m¦ without cans. Put a MWD and some tank in its Med slots and you're good to go.
Smagd
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Espen
pfft, 300mill? thats nothing, I got a guy with Revelation BPO and Charon BPO, now that gotta hurt. 
Dont forget the one yesterday that lost 500m 
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Jiin
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Athena Pallas
I'm not crying about it, I'm just saying that it's definitely NOT like real life.
I could draw a parallel to a certain event that took place in 2001, which would render your argument void. But I won't.
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