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Daler Farmon Dark Angel's Legion 5	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:44:00 - [1] - Quote Hi, Yesterday one of my corpmates suggested to train Sensor Compensation Skills: Gravimetric Sensor Compensation Ladar Sensor Compensation Radar Sensor Compensation Magnetometric Sensor Compensation. Because I've been jammed too much in one of lvl4 missions(can't remember name). So, it was pointed out that i'll not be jammed. But what for we need ECCM modules then? I dont really have a free slot to fit ECCM module, that skills seems amazing. However, today after doing some search, I've found out that those skills aren't so helpful and they do help but for some few ships. What are those ships? and Do i need to train them to lvl5 to see some effects? Thanks
Omar Alharazaad ZomCom 89	Posted - 2013.10.24 05:11:00 - [2] - Quote I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that these skills weren't so much intended to be a replacement for ECCM so much as to enhance it's effectiveness. I also would like clarification if this is not the case.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1667	Posted - 2013.10.24 06:26:00 - [3] - Quote The skills work best on ships that already have a high native sensor strength and they increase the effectiveness of ECCM modules. For instance, a Tengu with a Dissolution Sequencer has a base grav sensor strength of 35. Taking grav compensation to 5 adds 20% for 42, an absolute difference of 7. The same Tengu without the skill but with a single ECCM jumps to 68.6. With comp skill at 5 that jumps to 82.3, a 20% increase for an absolute increase of 13.7 (which makes it nigh unjammable). On the flip side, nothing does much of anything for very low sensor strength ships like Marauders. Because the skills, ECCM, and sensor backup arrays all increase by a percentage off of the base strength the absolute movements are much lower. For instance, a Vargur starts with a measly 11 ladar. Skilling ladar comp to 5 only gets you up to 13.2 -- still a 20% increase but only a 2.2 absolute increase. A ladar ECCM without the skill gets you up to a whopping 21.6, and with the skill to 5 it goes to 25.9. Almost up to the Tengu's original sensor strength . So, in short: the skills work well on ships that already have a high native sensor strength. Without that, they are less good. Much less good.
Janeway84 Masters Of Destiny Pride Before Fall 38	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:52:00 - [4] - Quote Awesome explanation Zhilia Mann! A bit oT But, There is like no way to make say a proteus or tengu totally immune to a falcon right?
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 124	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:25:00 - [5] - Quote Janeway84 wrote: Awesome explanation Zhilia Mann! A bit oT But, There is like no way to make say a proteus or tengu totally immune to a falcon right? Totally immune, no. But a sensor strength of 80+ is pretty darn close. Unless you count FoF missiles and drones which don't need a target lock. But they have their own issues.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 1055	Posted - 2013.10.28 23:09:00 - [6] - Quote Basically each level of the correct Compensation skill for your ship makes you ~4% harder to jam. There are minor diminishing returns. That means a ship with a 50% chance to be jammed drops to ~40% with level 5 (actually, probability is 0.5/1.2 = 41.67%). I highly recommend training these to level 3 for each ship you fly, and to level 5 for anything you fly that is often called primary EWAR target (logistics cruisers in subcap engagements, scripted heavy interdictors in supercap engagements) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front.
Lia Danna Perkone Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:51:00 - [7] - Quote Train them all to level 4 and be done with it. If it is worth training it is worth training to IV.
Janna Sway GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance 82	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:46:00 - [8] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: The skills work best on ships that already have a high native sensor strength and they increase the effectiveness of ECCM modules. For instance, a Tengu with a Dissolution Sequencer has a base grav sensor strength of 35. Taking grav compensation to 5 adds 20% for 42, an absolute difference of 7. The same Tengu without the skill but with a single ECCM jumps to 68.6. With comp skill at 5 that jumps to 82.3, a 20% increase for an absolute increase of 13.7 (which makes it nigh unjammable). ...and un"probe"able
Clementina Coreli Corporation 98	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:19:00 - [9] - Quote You should train the Sensor Compensation skills that match to the ships that you use. Remember Radar Sensors are used by Amarrian ships Magnetometric Sensors are used by Gallente Ships Gravimetric Sensors are used by Caldari ships Ladar Sensors are used by Minmatar ships Pirate ships with two races will choose one of the races for the Sensor type. If you fly all four races you need to train all four skills. If you fly only Caldari you only need Gravimetric unless you start training other ship types.
Chris Carlyle High Evasion and Damage 0	Posted - 2013.11.25 23:14:00 - [10] - Quote Lia Danna wrote: Train them all to level 4 and be done with it. If it is worth training it is worth training to IV. I agree. I used to get jammed a lot in missions like 'the blockade'. This skill solved the problem for me. It won't make you immune, but there is a good chance you can take out the EWAR ships before they successfully jam you. Train it!

Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1715	Posted - 2013.11.26 00:16:00 - [11] - Quote Chris Carlyle wrote: Lia Danna wrote: Train them all to level 4 and be done with it. If it is worth training it is worth training to IV. I agree. I used to get jammed a lot in missions like 'the blockade'. This skill solved the problem for me. It won't make you immune, but there is a good chance you can take out the EWAR ships before they successfully jam you. Train it! Guristas Blockade? L4? Because that doesn't exist. And sensor strength doesn't help against anything except ECM. (And scan probes. Yes, I know.)


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