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BadSeamus
Chaos Army
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:13:00 -
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Forum ate my post
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/10/24/very-odd-ccp-refuses-to-confirm-eve-valkyrie-on-pc/#more-174017
Say it aint so CCP... |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4588
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:20:00 -
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Say what ain't so? The article quotes CCP as saying almost nothing.
The author had nothing concrete to report, but he had a deadline to write something, so he wrote that he couldn't confirm anything.
Guess what that means.... Nothing.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:26:00 -
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Hm... do I smell another potential exclusive contract with SONY there? For their new, 1000 $ VR headset mayhaps? ...because, you know, greed? 
...seriously though, that "article" is not really specific on anything, so we'll see.
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
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BadSeamus
Chaos Army
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:26:00 -
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Somehow Im not reassured. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:36:00 -
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Well, CCP has said and done weird things in the past... but calling "huh, maybe, perhaps" to PC+OR for Valkyrie is plain bemusing to watch. Meanwhile they make their minds up, I'm gonna grab some popcorn; this may be the biggest WTF in CCP history... 
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
564
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:40:00 -
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Yaaay, EVE-VR is ruined... maybe. 
Honestly, I do not think I'd play it if it were a console exclusive title.
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Mocam
EVE University
Ivy League
329
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:46:00 -
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It would be odd to not be for the PC. Not PC only? Perhaps but not PC? ...
They've announced that Valkyrie will utilize the Oculus Rift - OR has stated that it will be setup for the PC and mobile technologies -- consoles far down their priority list. Now if it works with mobile tech, that may be an interesting "platform" for a game but not the PC when that's where they'll build it? ...
You also have "market metrics information" to look at.
The highest crowd-source funded game in history is Star Citizens - a space fighter sim, crowd sourced to over $24 million so far and accelerating demand and acceptance as they begin to show deliverables.
The demand for a quality PC based space sim game is demonstrably there so not selling into what appears to be a "refreshed" growth market area... I don't think that would be a smart decision.
Little competition, solid background with PC based MMO success... Leveraging that for PC based sales wouldn't be difficult but console based? CCP doesn't have a solid strong background there but they do have one for PC based games.
It wouldn't necessarily be limited to the PC but not doing it would seem a bit silly and self-defeating. |
BadSeamus
Chaos Army
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:48:00 -
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like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory you mean :) |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22029
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:59:00 -
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Well... yea.
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
No Means No
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:07:00 -
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I hope it doesnt come out for pc, that thing looks ridiculous to say the least. |
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adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:12:00 -
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It must be on PC, because the whole idea behind it is competition. Valkyrie suddenly emerged out of the blue in direct competition to SC. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:18:00 -
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Calling it right now, if it's not on PC, it's dead in the water.
Regardless of which console (yech, I said the c word) it ends up on. PS3? Outdated, no one will use it. PS4? Then to play that and DUST and EVE I need 3 separate machines, too much hassle.
PC or go home.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22029
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:19:00 -
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adarma wrote:It must be on PC, because the whole idea behind it is competition. Valkyrie suddenly emerged out of the blue in direct competition to SC.
That may have been the original idea... but an arcade style PvP shooter with no connection to the greater universe of EVE would have and never will be any competition to the fully fledged scifie sim SC is going to be.
So, it might as well come out as a PS4 exclusive.
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
No Means No
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:22:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Calling it right now, if it's not on PC, it's dead in the water.
Regardless of which console (yech, I said the c word) it ends up on. PS3? Outdated, no one will use it. PS4? Then to play that and DUST and EVE I need 3 separate machines, too much hassle.
PC or go home.
No one said that YOU were the one that is gonna play it.
Stop bein self eccentric, the world doesnt resolve around you.
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Aethlyn
EVE University
Ivy League
240
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:24:00 -
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Wouldn't worry about the whole thing. There aren't that many platforms available that the game would fit on exclusively. The part about PC/OR doesn't worry me either: It's just so they're on the same side. If they say the game will be an "OR launch title" and they release the game on day X, everyone will expect the OR would be ready by then as well.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:51:00 -
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Maybe PS4 timed exclusive... for Xmas 2014...
They can negotiate it so Sony gives them big money and essentially covers their development expenses. i mean, they can do good business out of it.
Yet in the process they will infuriate the people paying their bills. And they would infuriate a lot. 
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1271
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:53:00 -
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No Means No wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Calling it right now, if it's not on PC, it's dead in the water.
Regardless of which console (yech, I said the c word) it ends up on. PS3? Outdated, no one will use it. PS4? Then to play that and DUST and EVE I need 3 separate machines, too much hassle.
PC or go home. No one said that YOU were the one that is gonna play it. Stop bein self eccentric, the world doesnt resolve around you.
No one said that... what?
Yes, I'm going to play it. Or try to, unless they waste their time and put it on a console like they did with DUST.
Asking them to do some smart marketing this time isn't too much to ask?
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3173
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:54:00 -
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No Means No wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Calling it right now, if it's not on PC, it's dead in the water.
Regardless of which console (yech, I said the c word) it ends up on. PS3? Outdated, no one will use it. PS4? Then to play that and DUST and EVE I need 3 separate machines, too much hassle.
PC or go home. No one said that YOU were the one that is gonna play it. Stop bein self eccentric, the world doesnt resolve around you.
******* is a hell of a drug.
Edit: Damn CCP why you filter the booger sugar? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1271
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:01:00 -
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"Booger sugar"?
ROFL. That's a new one.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Bloodpetal
Squeaker.
The Mockers AO
1366
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:02:00 -
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It's for the Oculus Rift... which is for PC and mobile apparently.
Guess what? That means console isn't even in consideration.
Where I am. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3173
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:04:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:"Booger sugar"?
ROFL. That's a new one.
I learned it from Will Ferrell
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22029
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:05:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:It's for the Oculus Rift... which is for PC and mobile apparently.
Guess what? That means console isn't even in consideration.
Nope, sorry, it doesn't... Sony is developing a similar device based on the same principles for PS4.
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1271
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:08:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:It's for the Oculus Rift... which is for PC and mobile apparently.
Guess what? That means console isn't even in consideration. Nope, sorry, it doesn't... Sony is developing a similar device based on the same principles for PS4.
And, one could conclude that MS is or will be attempting to do the same.
Oculus goofed up, imo, by revealing before the next gen console release. If they had posted it after, they'd have given the respective companies a lot to worry about to try and fit them backwards compatible with their consoles.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Arduemont
12 pound opinion
2242
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:39:00 -
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They would be idiots to design a game for a piece of kit (The Rift) which is only intended for initial release on PC, for any other platform than the PC.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
1254
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:43:00 -
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Whatever. If CCP wants to **** up Valkyrie like they did Dust, then it let it fail. I'll have plenty of other Rift space games with equal or better (Rebirth) graphics to play. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
455
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:06:00 -
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In the real world people are not allowed to confirm anything until the marketing department rubberstamps it.
this article is a load of hot air and nothing. obviously it will release on PC because OR is not being developped for any other platform right now, but until the marketing blurb goes out nothing will be confirmed -- this is a standard industry practice. |
Hendelse
Koshaku
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:48:00 -
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I hope they have learned from the faliure of DUST.
The fans of CCP play their games on computers.
Even though I plan on buying a PS4, I will be bummed out if VAL doesnt come out on the PC.
The situation now: I have a PS3, but playing FPS games with a gamepad is like shaving with a rock. Thus I do not play DUST.
Valkyire will be more suited for the gamepad, but the core audience is still on PC.
So even though it doesnt have to be a PC excusive. It sure as hell needs to be there.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6560
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:51:00 -
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I wouldn't want to admit that its being produced by EA and coming out for the Xbone exclusively either.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1422
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:57:00 -
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i had a feeling the eve game would be found on the steam gaming box that is coming out.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1422
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:02:00 -
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Hendelse wrote:I hope they have learned from the faliure of DUST.
The fans of CCP play their games on computers.
Even though I plan on buying a PS4, I will be bummed out if VAL doesnt come out on the PC.
The situation now: I have a PS3, but playing FPS games with a gamepad is like shaving with a rock. Thus I do not play DUST.
Valkyire will be more suited for the gamepad, but the core audience is still on PC.
So even though it doesnt have to be a PC excusive. It sure as hell needs to be there.
1. there is an average of 3-4k dedicated players on all the time
2. dust can use a mouse and keyboard
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Baggo Hammers
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:04:00 -
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VEry unlikely it could go to console due to the rigidity of that medium. Either PC or specialized device.
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Arduemont
12 pound opinion
2242
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:11:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Hendelse wrote:I hope they have learned from the faliure of DUST.
The fans of CCP play their games on computers.
Even though I plan on buying a PS4, I will be bummed out if VAL doesnt come out on the PC.
The situation now: I have a PS3, but playing FPS games with a gamepad is like shaving with a rock. Thus I do not play DUST.
Valkyire will be more suited for the gamepad, but the core audience is still on PC.
So even though it doesnt have to be a PC excusive. It sure as hell needs to be there.
1. there is an average of 3-4k dedicated players on all the time 2. dust can use a mouse and keyboard
Oh wow, 3-4k active players who don't have to pay to play. I'm sure that's working out for them well.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1422
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:20:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Hendelse wrote:I hope they have learned from the faliure of DUST.
The fans of CCP play their games on computers.
Even though I plan on buying a PS4, I will be bummed out if VAL doesnt come out on the PC.
The situation now: I have a PS3, but playing FPS games with a gamepad is like shaving with a rock. Thus I do not play DUST.
Valkyire will be more suited for the gamepad, but the core audience is still on PC.
So even though it doesnt have to be a PC excusive. It sure as hell needs to be there.
1. there is an average of 3-4k dedicated players on all the time 2. dust can use a mouse and keyboard Oh wow, 3-4k active players who don't have to pay to play. I'm sure that's working out for them well. Free to Play games are supposed to attract massive crowds of players who might spend the occasional tenner. Not tiny cult followings.
I can tell you never played dust otherwise you would know how training sp works... if you want to train sp at a decent rate you pay for the implant s...
Not sure what the actual metrics are for people purchasing goods are but I would bet most of the hardcore players do...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1277
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:22:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:
Well no not pay to play but if you want to train sp at a decent rate you pay for the implant s...
Not sure what the actual metrics are for people purchasing goods are but I would bet most of the hardcore players do...
Even if, by the generous metric of 50%, you account for the hardcore players buying stuff, that's only about 2-3k.
CCP spent years on this, and probably lots of dough to boot. They also have to pay for the servers.
For 2-3 thousand people? There is no equation where that isn't a colossal waste of time.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
456
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:26:00 -
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the game most likely was expected to take a loss for the first few years of operation, and gain players as it became more popular. That's p miuch what happens to any MMO game that is not a runaway hit. you have to plan for that eventuality in any business plan. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1277
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:32:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:the game most likely was expected to take a loss for the first few years of operation, and gain players as it became more popular. That's p miuch what happens to any MMO game that is not a runaway hit. you have to plan for that eventuality in any business plan.
Not true. Most MMOs start out acceptably strong then bleed off players after a few months.
DUST is just a flop. They tried, I get it. And now it's coupled in with EVE, so it's not easily gotten rid of.
But we still get to say "We told you so".
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2106
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:36:00 -
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loading gameboy batteries
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1423
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:MeBiatch wrote:
Well no not pay to play but if you want to train sp at a decent rate you pay for the implant s...
Not sure what the actual metrics are for people purchasing goods are but I would bet most of the hardcore players do...
Even if, by the generous metric of 50%, you account for the hardcore players buying stuff, that's only about 2-3k. CCP spent years on this, and probably lots of dough to boot. They also have to pay for the servers. For 2-3 thousand people? There is no equation where that isn't a colossal waste of time.
thats active at any point in time. so that could be up to 12-24 k people who play each day.
that does not account for weekend warriors. and the fact that one of the boosters you dont have to play to gain sp... its called the passive booster.
i would guess that the average dust player pays on average $20 a month
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4786
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Chandaris wrote:the game most likely was expected to take a loss for the first few years of operation, and gain players as it became more popular. That's p miuch what happens to any MMO game that is not a runaway hit. you have to plan for that eventuality in any business plan. Not true. Most MMOs start out acceptably strong then bleed off players after a few months. DUST is just a flop. They tried, I get it. And now it's coupled in with EVE, so it's not easily gotten rid of. But we still get to say "We told you so".
Actually, as has been pointed out before, the beauty of DUST is that it doesn't need a huge player base to be profitable long term. Much like EVE, it is starting with a small but loyal base that will grow as the game does over time. It's not designed to be a big bang that dies after a few months, it's designed for the slow burn.
I wouldn't count it out just yet.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1423
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:55:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Chandaris wrote:the game most likely was expected to take a loss for the first few years of operation, and gain players as it became more popular. That's p miuch what happens to any MMO game that is not a runaway hit. you have to plan for that eventuality in any business plan. Not true. Most MMOs start out acceptably strong then bleed off players after a few months. DUST is just a flop. They tried, I get it. And now it's coupled in with EVE, so it's not easily gotten rid of. But we still get to say "We told you so".
interesting fact eve was also a flop... but it had hardcore dedicated players who helped the game evolve to what it is today...
not saying this will happen with dust. but that is what they are shooting for.
they have hardcore dedicated players who are determined to work with the devs to make the game better.
the fact they are doing montly point releases to fix the game proves this.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Fidelas Constans
344
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:59:00 -
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Read my Post #135
I already called what is happening with Eve: Valkyrie. It is just nobody wants to listen.
Mobile Platform! FTW!
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
655
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:22:00 -
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Maybe, since they proved to be so amazing good in developing succesfull FPS console games, so now is a good idea to release another title for console only... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1277
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:31:00 -
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Quote:interesting fact eve was also a flop... but it had hardcore dedicated players who helped the game evolve to what it is today...
The difference is that those people paid subs. No one does for DUST. Sure, maybe some of them pay for "boosters", but you can't tell me that the majority do.
Heck, anyone I've mentioned it to automatically tells me that there isn't much in "playing a P2W shooter". Or they say "I'll stick to Planetside 2 since it's on PC".
The console game crowd doesn't like it(they are spoiled for choice anyway), the PC game crowd can't play it. What about that spells success? I guarantee you that they are losing money just on maintaining the game and staff for the game. Which means that our EVE subs are paying for it, too.
[Edit: What I'm saying is this. Why not PC? Why freaking soon-to-be-completely-replaced PS3?
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Emiko P'eng
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:01:00 -
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After nearly needed to go to a chiropractor after witnessing first hand the incredible demo at Fanfest. I haven't swung my head around so much since going to rock concerts in the 70s 
On topic
Well Custom PC Magazine Issue 123 has an article about the long waited for reappearance of Space based PC games.
Written by Rick Lane
The introduction includes this: 'players options were limited to X3 or EVE. If you weren't a fan of distinctly German-flavoured space simulations or incredibly unforgiving MMOs, the only option was to look at other genres'
It then lists and reviews 8 new PC space games on the horizon.
EVE: Valkyrie is one of them.
The end quote for Valkyrie section is 'Given the footage CCP has made available, the potential for an amazing immersive experience is very exciting'
So even if it is ported to other platforms it is coming to a PC.
Time to get those neck musles back into shape
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