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No Means No
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:46:00 -
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I moved to london, got broke in 2 weeks..
fkd up sht
ps: also im drinking a bottle of glens vodka, hopefully it will enlighten me on what to do |
Kyseth
Touring New Eden
5040
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:39:00 -
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Know the feeling. Recently looked in the account and saw a minus sign before numbers. |
Za'afiel
Federation Militia Bandits
5
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:55:00 -
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Finally!!
I found my leet club in EVE, I'm with you guys! :)
Shoot them all! Be polite. |
Kyseth
Touring New Eden
5152
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:44:00 -
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Hull tanking the bank account. That's where it's at Za'afiel. |
Frank Millar
254
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:02:00 -
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I'd say, don't move to London.  |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
21643
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:07:00 -
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Well atleast we are all in good company.  |
Pepper Swift
Dark Tribunal Industries
11885
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:24:00 -
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Im broke in game .. |
Kairavi Mrithyakara
New Sepulchral Monolith
75
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:14:00 -
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All things considered, I'm surprised it took you two weeks. I was broke my sixth day here.
Also, switch to Jameson. It tends to be more... enlightening.
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Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
428
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Posted - 2013.10.26 03:12:00 -
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Just got paid yesterday. Me and the wife are broke yet again.
She bought home a six pack of Anger Orchard hard apple cider.
Life is good when you have a serious buzz going.
Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |
Za'afiel
Federation Militia Bandits
6
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Posted - 2013.10.26 07:25:00 -
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Actually, London is cursed, I was one of the job stealers from Poland :) I was there for six months during my gap year between BA and MA, trying to save some money for travelling for the following six months, went there, found a job, everything went smooth and than I found this little nice place called Pitcher and Piano (Bishopsgate) near my workplace...the rest is a history. Let me just say that I didn't travel anywhere exept London, and than home, no savings, plenty of great memories :)
Shoot them all! Be polite. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1044
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Posted - 2013.10.26 07:28:00 -
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man, I'm making these items for industry, but I keep ending up at a loss. I wonder what I should do different in my supply chain, or where I'm losing my profit. I don't like being bad at EVE
[ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337
yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
428
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Posted - 2013.10.26 07:28:00 -
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Better to have memories then money in the bank if you ask me.
Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |
Qaidan Alenko
Eezo-Lution Inc.
8910
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Posted - 2013.10.26 07:31:00 -
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Wait... what is this "money" thing of which you speak?
Go ahead... Get your-áWham on!!! |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
1545
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Posted - 2013.10.26 09:03:00 -
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Pepper Swift wrote:Im broke in game ..
In your opinion, how little isk do you need to have to be considered Broke in game?
Zimmy Zeta -I f*cking love martinis.the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1044
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Posted - 2013.10.26 09:08:00 -
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hey, at least I remember to buy mindflood before margin trade causes my market orders to fail
[ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337
yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Za'afiel
Federation Militia Bandits
6
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Posted - 2013.10.26 10:21:00 -
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Marie Hartinez wrote:Better to have memories then money in the bank if you ask me.
100% true, that's why I go broke every year, travelling, this year I was in Georgia (the country), next year Iceland or Katmandu, can't wait.
Shoot them all! Be polite. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1044
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Posted - 2013.10.26 15:30:00 -
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dangit! I forgot to do memory stuff! I knew I forgot something.
[ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337
yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1939
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:32:00 -
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every time i stop to wish i had made memories, i die a little inside.
Rainf1337 on Twitch |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
646
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:29:00 -
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Does this mean you will stop badposting soon? |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4427
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:41:00 -
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Rain6638 wrote:man, I'm making these items for industry, but I keep ending up at a loss. I wonder what I should do different in my supply chain, or where I'm losing my profit. I don't like being bad at EVE
simple. just never build anything you don't produce 100% of the manufacturing materials for yourself. |
Vecen Verex
Serpenti Seraphim
Core Syndicate.
5
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Posted - 2013.11.15 06:10:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Rain6638 wrote:man, I'm making these items for industry, but I keep ending up at a loss. I wonder what I should do different in my supply chain, or where I'm losing my profit. I don't like being bad at EVE simple. just never build anything you don't produce 100% of the manufacturing materials for yourself.
not everybody lives in a wormhole ma'am >=P
no one wants to die from eating a salad |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4428
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Posted - 2013.11.15 20:10:00 -
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Vecen Verex wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Rain6638 wrote:man, I'm making these items for industry, but I keep ending up at a loss. I wonder what I should do different in my supply chain, or where I'm losing my profit. I don't like being bad at EVE simple. just never build anything you don't produce 100% of the manufacturing materials for yourself. not everybody lives in a wormhole ma'am >=P
mr. rain has like 10 alts =) i'm sure he can manage. I only have 2 "working" characters and I do ok with only playing 3 or so times a week lol. |
Mizhir
AQUILA INC
44221
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Posted - 2013.11.15 20:17:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Rain6638 wrote:man, I'm making these items for industry, but I keep ending up at a loss. I wonder what I should do different in my supply chain, or where I'm losing my profit. I don't like being bad at EVE simple. just never build anything you don't produce 100% of the manufacturing materials for yourself.
The minerals you mine are not free.
If you can sell them for more by selling them raw then there is no reason to manufacture stuff.
My first pvp video
SCL5 Winner |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4428
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Posted - 2013.11.15 20:28:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Rain6638 wrote:man, I'm making these items for industry, but I keep ending up at a loss. I wonder what I should do different in my supply chain, or where I'm losing my profit. I don't like being bad at EVE simple. just never build anything you don't produce 100% of the manufacturing materials for yourself. The minerals you mine are not free. If you can sell them for more by selling them raw then there is no reason to manufacture stuff.
not that I do much mining but they certainly seem free. only thing it costs is time. the only things I use minerals for on average are reactions. |
Mizhir
AQUILA INC
44317
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:08:00 -
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There are some things you need to keep in mind when manufacturing stuff. And the most important rule is that the end product should sell for more than what the raw materials cost. Otherwise you are just wasting time and isk.
Lets have an example with some numbers.
Lets take a mineral. You can mine 10 of that in an hour. Each mineral is worth 1mil isk. So thats 10mil / hour. Now lets say you build item A out of those minerals. A sells for 0.8mil isk and require 1 mineral each. So by making item A you can make 10 of them and sell them for 8mil isk. The result is that you spend 1 hour to earn 8mil isk by mining the minerals and making item A.
Now lets say that capitalist Graygor wants to make item A too for some isk. However he doesn't want to mine the minerals, so he buys them at a rate of 1mil / mineral (10mil total). He makes 10 Item A and sells them for 8mil as well. Result: a loss of 2mil isk, which means he will stop doing it and instead make something else. But if capitalist Graygor lose 2mil isk for each 10 A he makes, so do you! You could sell the minerals raw and earn 10mil instead of 8 mil. So while the minerals are "free" you are essentially "paying" 10mil isk to sell A for 8 mil isk. Because by making Item A you are eliminating the option to sell the raw minerals for 10mil isk.
This is only relevant if you goal is to earn as much isk as possible. If your goal is to make your own little WH colony with manufacturing stuff then its perfectly fine to consider the minerals for free. Thats what is great about EVE. You make your own game.
Also, I have not factored in the logistics, but there are some tricks to compress minerals down to very little by making items and then refining them again. It has a small loss, but if that loss is less than the loss from making A, then it is clearly not worth making A.
My first pvp video
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SeenButNotHeard
Doing The Business
72
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Posted - 2013.11.16 16:54:00 -
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The minerals I mine are free \o/  |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4432
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:05:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:There are some things you need to keep in mind when manufacturing stuff. And the most important rule is that the end product should sell for more than what the raw materials cost. Otherwise you are just wasting time and isk.
Lets have an example with some numbers.
Lets take a mineral. You can mine 10 of that in an hour. Each mineral is worth 1mil isk. So thats 10mil / hour. Now lets say you build item A out of those minerals. A sells for 0.8mil isk and require 1 mineral each. So by making item A you can make 10 of them and sell them for 8mil isk. The result is that you spend 1 hour to earn 8mil isk by mining the minerals and making item A.
Now lets say that capitalist Graygor wants to make item A too for some isk. However he doesn't want to mine the minerals, so he buys them at a rate of 1mil / mineral (10mil total). He makes 10 Item A and sells them for 8mil as well. Result: a loss of 2mil isk, which means he will stop doing it and instead make something else. But if capitalist Graygor lose 2mil isk for each 10 A he makes, so do you! You could sell the minerals raw and earn 10mil instead of 8 mil. So while the minerals are "free" you are essentially "paying" 10mil isk to sell A for 8 mil isk. Because by making Item A you are eliminating the option to sell the raw minerals for 10mil isk.
This is only relevant if you goal is to earn as much isk as possible. If your goal is to make your own little WH colony with manufacturing stuff then its perfectly fine to consider the minerals for free. Thats what is great about EVE. You make your own game.
Also, I have not factored in the logistics, but there are some tricks to compress minerals down to very little by making items and then refining them again. It has a small loss, but if that loss is less than the loss from making A, then it is clearly not worth making A.
I understand that, mizzy. and it's sound logic and I agree with and practice it. you can be rest assured the things I bother to actually make are worth more than the sum of their parts. otherwise I wouldn't build them.  |
Rain6637
Team Evil
4820
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:07:00 -
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FWIW the only issue I have with this thread is I don't want "i'm broke" to become part of the culture. it's perfectly possible to not be broke. it didn't help that alcoholism was presented as a healthy pastime or some type of alternative to managing one's finances to be 'cap stable'. not sure how well a person would make memories when they're often drinking anyway.
then again, I'm a blowhard and frequently wrong
I've been broke, I used to drink--a lot, in my twenties while I was in the military. but I never admitted to anyone that I was broke, I'd try to hide it. so I kinda don't want it to be ok to start a thread about it... here, where I like to spend time. (you know what they say bout the people you hang out with, and that you effect your environment)
EVE players are known for some good things, like ... sophisticated enough to grasp the game, for one. so... you know... imo this topic was a move in the wrong direction.
...opinions. I'm over it if you are
Rainfleet on Twitch |
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2013.11.18 18:30:00 -
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Za'afiel wrote:Marie Hartinez wrote:Better to have memories then money in the bank if you ask me. 100% true, that's why I go broke every year, travelling, this year I was in Georgia (the country), next year Iceland or Katmandu, can't wait.
haha great stuff. 
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fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2013.11.18 18:42:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Vecen Verex wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Rain6638 wrote:man, I'm making these items for industry, but I keep ending up at a loss. I wonder what I should do different in my supply chain, or where I'm losing my profit. I don't like being bad at EVE simple. just never build anything you don't produce 100% of the manufacturing materials for yourself. not everybody lives in a wormhole ma'am >=P mr. rain has like 10 alts =) i'm sure he can manage. I only have 2 "working" characters and I do ok with only playing 3 or so times a week lol.
you have how many ?
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