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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:09:00 -
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i understand for some pirates to make their isk's is to ransom. now i have no problem with this! Its kinda cool and it beats losing all my implants and ship.
what i dont like are the kill board pirates. not caring about the making money and letting the player go but, just killing them and not making any money except for what they can salvage off the junk that is left behind.
I see this as a loss of business for the pirates who make there money ransoming other players and letting them go if they pay. players will avoid certain areas altogther.
Anyone else feel that these stat killers are going a bit to far?
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:14:00 -
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Anyone else feel that these stat killers are going a bit to far?
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:15:00 -
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There are two uses for killboards:
1. To keep a killcount and show off. Dumb, pointless, and childish in my opinion.
2. To have on-hand proof for situational tactics, setup ideas, and keep a record log of who was flying what, where, and when. I support this aspect as it's invaluable for intelligence gathering.
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Haeloic
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:17:00 -
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Not all pirates are in it for the money, and not all pirates kill only for the killboard. Some people just enjoy the fight for what it is and isk is secondary.
Sometimes what's left of a ship after the kill is worth more than they would have ransomed you for.
And still other times pirates are killing you because you're on their turf.
I think you may be getting pirates confused with actual PvP'ers.
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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Haeloic
Not all pirates are in it for the money, and not all pirates kill only for the killboard. Some people just enjoy the fight for what it is and isk is secondary.
Sometimes what's left of a ship after the kill is worth more than they would have ransomed you for.
And still other times pirates are killing you because you're on their turf.
I think you may be getting pirates confused with actual PvP'ers.
well a barge i dont think has any PvP thrills.
also this is not 0.0 space but low sec area between empire space. Far as i know you cant claim that sort of space cuz it belongs to the empire of who ever is there.
It wasnt a war or turf i know the people who hold influence there and these people were acting along just going off the "how many people have gone through here" on the star map.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:43:00 -
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Ransoming is a good way to make money sometimes. However, if you kill hundreds of people, then you stand to make more money in loot off of smaller ships than by ransoming.
How much would people pay to keep their frigate/interceptor alive? You'd be hard pressed to ask for more than a couple mil per ransom. But if you kill 100 frigates, there is a good chance that one of them will drop something that is worth over 500 mil. It is also very difficult to ransom smaller ships, since they move so fast, so its usually easier to just kill them.
If I come a cross a mining battleship in low sec, I almost always ask for a ransom, because miner2's really aren't worth anything, and the guy will probably be willing to pay 10 mil or so. But if I come across an NPC'ing battleship in 0.0, there's a good chance the guy is wearing 50-100 million in modules, and he'd probably not be willing to pay a 50 million ransom...so killing is usually what I do to 0.0 npc'ers.
There is a method to the madness. However, I do like explosions, and I do like getting a lot of kills, so if I'm not in the mood for a ransom, then I just shoot.
CCP is finally starting to release ships that give nice bonuses to warp srambling and webbing, and of course interdictors. So hopefully it will get easier to hold people down, and then I think you'll see a lot more ransoms because pirates will actually be able to negotiate a price and even scan cargo while holding somebody down.
Shamis
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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Oventoasted on 03/02/2006 20:49:14
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Ransoming is a good way to make money sometimes. However, if you kill hundreds of people, then you stand to make more money in loot off of smaller ships than by ransoming.
How much would people pay to keep their frigate/interceptor alive? You'd be hard pressed to ask for more than a couple mil per ransom. But if you kill 100 frigates, there is a good chance that one of them will drop something that is worth over 500 mil. It is also very difficult to ransom smaller ships, since they move so fast, so its usually easier to just kill them.
If I come a cross a mining battleship in low sec, I almost always ask for a ransom, because miner2's really aren't worth anything, and the guy will probably be willing to pay 10 mil or so. But if I come across an NPC'ing battleship in 0.0, there's a good chance the guy is wearing 50-100 million in modules, and he'd probably not be willing to pay a 50 million ransom...so killing is usually what I do to 0.0 npc'ers.
There is a method to the madness. However, I do like explosions, and I do like getting a lot of kills, so if I'm not in the mood for a ransom, then I just shoot.
CCP is finally starting to release ships that give nice bonuses to warp srambling and webbing, and of course interdictors. So hopefully it will get easier to hold people down, and then I think you'll see a lot more ransoms because pirates will actually be able to negotiate a price and even scan cargo while holding somebody down.
Shamis
umm maybe you ransom different then others but i ask for a certian amount no bargains. if they dont pay they die.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.02.03 21:01:00 -
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In theory, ransoming is better. In practice, when carebears are attacked and almost immediately the wheels of blobination are engaged, you can't sit around and play games with people. Kill em, get their mods, and get moving. That's how to make money.
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upsideup
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Posted - 2006.02.03 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Oventoasted
umm maybe you ransom different then others but i ask for a certian amount no bargains. if they dont pay they die.
You don't understand what he's saying, read it again.
The point he's making is that in some situations it not as profitable to ransom. Smaller ships and npcing battleships are a really good example.
If you ransom everything you come across, in many cases you're losing money.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: upsideup
Originally by: Oventoasted
umm maybe you ransom different then others but i ask for a certian amount no bargains. if they dont pay they die.
You don't understand what he's saying, read it again.
The point he's making is that in some situations it not as profitable to ransom. Smaller ships and npcing battleships are a really good example.
If you ransom everything you come across, in many cases you're losing money.
I think he was referring to my mention of "negotiating" with victims. I realize this sounds rather unruthless for a pirate. But when you've got a freighter sitting there completely helpless and you ask him for something like 500 mil, and he offers you 300 mil, its time to start negotiating. If you just blow him up you lose 300 mil(no cargo dropped, bad form ccp), but you can't give in to his offer, so you have to push for something in the realm of 400 mil.
Shamis
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: upsideup
Originally by: Oventoasted
umm maybe you ransom different then others but i ask for a certian amount no bargains. if they dont pay they die.
You don't understand what he's saying, read it again.
The point he's making is that in some situations it not as profitable to ransom. Smaller ships and npcing battleships are a really good example.
If you ransom everything you come across, in many cases you're losing money.
I think he was referring to my mention of "negotiating" with victims. I realize this sounds rather unruthless for a pirate. But when you've got a freighter sitting there completely helpless and you ask him for something like 500 mil, and he offers you 300 mil, its time to start negotiating. If you just blow him up you lose 300 mil(no cargo dropped, bad form ccp), but you can't give in to his offer, so you have to push for something in the realm of 400 mil.
Shamis
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.02.04 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Oventoasted
i understand for some pirates to make their isk's is to ransom. now i have no problem with this! Its kinda cool and it beats losing all my implants and ship.
what i dont like are the kill board pirates. not caring about the making money and letting the player go but, just killing them and not making any money except for what they can salvage off the junk that is left behind.
I see this as a loss of business for the pirates who make there money ransoming other players and letting them go if they pay. players will avoid certain areas altogther.
Anyone else feel that these stat killers are going a bit to far?
I make no real money randsoming cause tbh most people just wont pay, and its not good money, I've made over 650mil in a day from selling mods Ive looted good luck doing that randsoming
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.02.04 02:14:00 -
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I rarely reflect on things after following a covops member to a target.
It's similar to fishing another cigarette out of the carton.
It's not all that great. It's just better than not smoking.
I usually forget about it a minute or two later, and rarely do I bother to pickup the corpse or in some cases even the can. Who needs the clutter? I do what I'm made to do and don't ponder it. If I'm not firing my autocannons, then what are they doing there?
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EvilTwin I
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Posted - 2006.02.06 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Superbus Maximus
I make no real money randsoming cause tbh most people just wont pay
Be polite
Own respect
Ask for something fair amount
*compared to owners ship insurrance +/-
Let em go if they pay (loyal)
1vs1 can give from 1mill to 40mill ..which is better then stairing on astroides while minning and for sure the drill when you can fight out the ransomed helping friends .MUhaaaa |
Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.02.06 11:52:00 -
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I prefer trying to get ppl to eject from their ships.
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EvilTwin I
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Posted - 2006.02.06 11:54:00 -
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Nova Ivanova
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Posted - 2006.02.09 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Haeloic
Not all pirates are in it for the money, and not all pirates kill only for the killboard. Some people just enjoy the fight for what it is and isk is secondary.
Sometimes what's left of a ship after the kill is worth more than they would have ransomed you for.
And still other times pirates are killing you because you're on their turf.
I think you may be getting pirates confused with actual PvP'ers.
Well put..
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.02.09 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
I prefer trying to get ppl to eject from their ships.
Ill prolly get flamed for saying this, but....
There is nothing in eve that equates the power you feel when you make someone eject
Im serious, its probably the one thing in eve that excites me the most.
Apart from that I enjoy the role I play in eve, isk has nothing to do with it, if I wanted to be rich Id do something else like mercing or alliance pvp
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Mr Jay
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Posted - 2006.02.09 13:43:00 -
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I think we're 3rd or something on killboard.co.uk, but we ransom all the ships we can.
We let a Raven go for 10mil the other day, cos he was poorly setup (5 stabs, 6 heavy launchers).
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.02.09 13:51:00 -
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Aye. Often I get a "No" or rude equivilant when I ransom someone. Stupid really, my prices are about right, and they'd save alot of time. I'd happily pay a ransom.
Give us our business back!
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Atom HeartMother
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Posted - 2006.02.12 14:08:00 -
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to be honest i dont like poping complete noobs. so when i come across one i ransom them at exteremly low pirices.
BUT they just dont pay, is 250k resonable for a fully kitted thorax and pod, Just pay me 
Originally by: Bonaventure Augustus
Because lets be honest, the number of people who play this game drunk on the weekends is astounding.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.12 14:27:00 -
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Every day a guy like you whines that not enough pirates ransom.
Then 90% of victims refuse ransoms, and the pirates stop ransoming because nobody accepts it.
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Civic
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Posted - 2006.02.12 15:41:00 -
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I used to ransom all the time, but no one ever pays up, so I have decided not to ask ever again, i can easily make my money somewhere else, ransoming was a bonus
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Ander
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Posted - 2006.02.12 17:06:00 -
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I've found it pretty good to just go for big ships. Not waste time with looking for small ships as they usually are able to get out.
I've asked for at least 50-75% of ship worth, as that's usually the minimum of what they stand to lose if the ship gets blown up.
If it's a t2 ship I've asked for 100% of ship price, as the insurancepayout is so much less than what it cost to get the ship.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.02.12 17:26:00 -
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Attempted ransom of a noob exequeror last night.I asked 10mill for ship and pod which he claimed he didnt have.I then asked him what he was prepared to offer for his life.He said i could have the load of omber he was currently mining and then waffled on about some implants he was saving.Anyway another ship warped into the belt after this and I was concerned he had called in some friends so I destroyed ship and pod.His last words were "WAIT WAIT.."
Actually I think the ship that warped in was not connected but in not making me any sensible offer in the time he had available he had only himself to blame.10mill may seem pricy but even noobs can have implants and if your the best u should exploit it:)
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Unbeleever
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Posted - 2006.02.12 18:18:00 -
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Sifting through the rubble has proved WAYYYYYY more profitable than ransom by far IMHO.
I remember a hauler that had dropeed more than a bil in loot, they are rare I admit but when they come along
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.12 19:26:00 -
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There is a difference between a Pirate and a PvPer, Pirates either ransom or do it for the killboard, PvPers just do it for the fun of the fight - and typically let the pods go (i certainly do, you dirty people you)
I'm a PvPer, killboards mean nothing except what Malka said.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.12 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan
There is a difference between a Pirate and a PvPer, Pirates either ransom or do it for the killboard
Maybe they also do it for the profit? 
Like that 50,000 morphite?
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You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes
Immy > You All - Imaran
Tachikomas > All ~kieron
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.12 19:54:00 -
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That too. >.>
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.02.12 20:16:00 -
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More money is made from blowing people up in my experiance.
But it depends on the situation sometimes it makes more sense to ransom.
Who are these 'killboard' pirates? And what evidence do you have that they are not profiting from what they are doing? 
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