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Malik Fett
Wretched Hive THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:06:00 -
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First of all, hello everyone! This is my first post to eve forums! I am here because I have had a lot of people ask me what skills they should train for pvp. I stream a lot and many new players and potential new players seem to be coming to the stream community for answers. So I have taken it upon myself to help!
My first idea was to create a basic PVP skill tree for frigate pvp. For the sake of keeping it as trim as possible I am starting with just a gallente frigate skill tree, but hope to put one out for all the races.
I am pretty sure I have included every skill that is needed for pvp in general, but would love to get some input if I missed any. Also, and I feel this is the most important part, if anyone has any suggestions on the order of training, that would be most welcome. I think this is a really fundamental part of keeping pvp type players interested. Getting them into decent fits asap. The current skill tree takes a total of 160ish days to train depending on implants. And by the end you should be able to fly any gallente t1 frigate and fly it very well. And even by the first month or so you should be able to do some damage!
Here is the current training schedule. I also uploaded the EVEmon plan to Eve-Files http://eve-files.com/dl/265532
Quote:Cybernetics I Cybernetics II Cybernetics III Repair Systems I Drones I Scout Drone Operation I Capacitor Systems Operation I Afterburner I Biology I Signature Analysis I Target Management I Hull Upgrades I Weapon Upgrades I Electronics Upgrades I Motion Prediction I Controlled Bursts I Rapid Firing I Sharpshooter I Evasive Maneuvering I Gallente Frigate I Long Range Targeting I Propulsion Jamming I Capacitor Management I Acceleration Control I Repair Systems II Drones II Scout Drone Operation II Capacitor Systems Operation II Afterburner II Fuel Conservation I Biology II Signature Analysis II Target Management II Hull Upgrades II Weapon Upgrades II Electronics Upgrades II Motion Prediction II Controlled Bursts II Rapid Firing II Sharpshooter II Evasive Maneuvering II Fuel Conservation II Gallente Frigate II Long Range Targeting II Propulsion Jamming II Capacitor Management II Acceleration Control II Mechanics III Jury Rigging I Armor Layering I Jury Rigging II Armor Layering II Gunnery III Repair Systems III Drones III Combat Drone Operation I Combat Drone Operation II Scout Drone Operation III Capacitor Systems Operation III Afterburner III High Speed Maneuvering I High Speed Maneuvering II Biology III Signature Analysis III Target Management III Jury Rigging III Armor Rigging I Astronautics Rigging I Hybrid Weapon Rigging I Shield Rigging I Armor Rigging II Astronautics Rigging II Hybrid Weapon Rigging II Shield Rigging II Hull Upgrades III Combat Drone Operation III Weapon Upgrades III Electronics Upgrades III Motion Prediction III Controlled Bursts III Rapid Firing III Sharpshooter III Evasive Maneuvering III Fuel Conservation III Gallente Frigate III Long Range Targeting III Armor Layering III Propulsion Jamming III Capacitor Management III Armor Rigging III Astronautics Rigging III Hybrid Weapon Rigging III Shield Rigging III Acceleration Control III Gallente Frigate IV Navigation IV Spaceship Command IV High Speed Maneuvering III Gunnery IV Surgical Strike I Trajectory Analysis I Surgical Strike II Trajectory Analysis II Surgical Strike III Trajectory Analysis III Small Hybrid Turret IV Small Hybrid Turret V Small Blaster Specialization I Small Blaster Specialization II Small Blaster Specialization III Repair Systems IV Drones IV Drone Navigation I Drone Navigation II Drone Navigation III Drone Navigation IV Scout Drone Operation IV Weapon Upgrades IV Power Grid Management IV Power Grid Management V Science IV Thermodynamics I Thermodynamics II Thermodynamics III Drones V Drone Sharpshooting I Minmatar Drone Specialization I Drone Interfacing I Gallente Drone Specialization I Drone Sharpshooting II Minmatar Drone Specialization II Drone Interfacing II Gallente Drone Specialization II Drone Sharpshooting III Minmatar Drone Specialization III Drone Interfacing III Gallente Drone Specialization III Gallente Frigate V Weapon Upgrades V Advanced Weapon Upgrades I Advanced Weapon Upgrades II Advanced Weapon Upgrades III Hull Upgrades IV EM Armor Compensation I Explosive Armor Compensation I Kinetic Armor Compensation I Thermic Armor Compensation I EM Armor Compensation II Explosive Armor Compensation II Kinetic Armor Compensation II Thermic Armor Compensation II EM Armor Compensation III Explosive Armor Compensation III Kinetic Armor Compensation III Thermic Armor Compensation III CPU Management IV Magnetometric Sensor Compensation I Magnetometric Sensor Compensation II Magnetometric Sensor Compensation III Mechanics IV Mechanics V Nanite Operation I Nanite Operation II Nanite Operation III Nanite Interfacing I Nanite Interfacing II Nanite Interfacing III Combat Drone Operation IV Electronics Upgrades IV Capacitor Systems Operation IV Afterburner IV Signature Analysis IV Target Management IV Controlled Bursts IV Motion Prediction IV Rapid Firing IV Sharpshooter IV Evasive Maneuvering IV Fuel Conservation IV Jury Rigging IV Long Range Targeting IV Capacitor Management IV Cybernetics IV Armor Rigging IV Astronautics Rigging IV Hybrid Weapon Rigging IV Shield Rigging IV Acceleration Control IV Surgical Strike IV Trajectory Analysis IV High Speed Maneuvering IV Thermodynamics IV Small Blaster Specialization IV Nanite Interfacing IV Drone Sharpshooting IV Scout Drone Operation V Drone Interfacing IV Minmatar Drone Specialization IV Gallente Drone Specialization IV Magnetometric Sensor Compensation IV Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV
Thanks, -malik
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Malik Fett
Wretched Hive THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:08:00 -
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Also, really quick, I want to get this in front of as many new players as possible so do you think I should post this in the New Citizens section?
Cheers!
-Malik |

Gorski Car
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:20:00 -
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just go straight for caldari cruiser V and Recon V |

Malik Fett
Wretched Hive THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:34:00 -
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changing skill tree now. thx for the OP input gorski! |

Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:54:00 -
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Quite a nice thing for sure!
Besides that, it would be highly favorable if there was a missile skillplan aswell, especially now with missiles being - on the frigside - an amazing weapon system that, once light missile V is trained, translates directly into even higher end ships like caracal, cerb and tengu, fleet scythe and bellicose.
While turrets used to be the go-to-pvp-platform, I'd say that especially as a newbro, you'd have as much fun going for light missiles (and maybe even rockets) and getting the support skills up to III-IV, especially as missiles translate to roughly equal training time until you do *something*.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=288823&find=unread - Looking for a handful of well-versed EU pilots. Especially interested in hyperactive dscanners. |

Malik Fett
Wretched Hive THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2013.10.25 13:20:00 -
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Yes I plan to make one for each race. Caldari will be shield/missiles for sure :)
Cheers!
-malik |

Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:03:00 -
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Just went through it, and this looks great. Just one thing I noticed after loading it in EVEmon is that it's really not optimized attribute wise. You can cut like 30 days out of this training plan by just using proper attribute remaps. If I may make a suggestion, that would be it. :)
Aside from that, good stuff! :D |

Malik Fett
Wretched Hive THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:47:00 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:Just went through it, and this looks great. Just one thing I noticed after loading it in EVEmon is that it's really not optimized attribute wise. You can cut like 30 days out of this training plan by just using proper attribute remaps. If I may make a suggestion, that would be it. :)
Aside from that, good stuff! :D
I didn't know you could save it with the optimized attributes? I was just going to mention it in the post on the new players board when/if I put it up there? I will have to try that though for sure! Thanks for mentioning it. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2013.10.25 16:43:00 -
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small blasters and amarr cruiser 5 is all you need for pvp eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |

Zao Amadues
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:01:00 -
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Great streamer, Great newbro Skill Plan for people trying to get into pvp early and build on an idea. This also translates well into tackle for fleets as you are blaster based and used to getting in close and knowing what you can/can't get close to. I Approve!
ZAO |

Beaver Retriever
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:09:00 -
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When are you going to literally cry on stream again because you got aboo-boo-blobbed by people lacking in e-honoure? |

Malik Fett
Wretched Hive THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:18:00 -
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As soon as I finish these 12 beers.
<3
you know you love me.
-malik |

k4t4r Burseg
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:30:00 -
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Very nice thread:D BUMP! |

Malik Fett
Wretched Hive THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:31:00 -
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Here is the link to the Amarr frig plan: http://eve-files.com/dl/265582
Cheers,
-malik |

Arenos244
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:15:00 -
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I wondering why we should learn Cybernetic II and III ? |

Malik Fett
Wretched Hive THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:33:00 -
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haha good question, it has been moved to later in the plan. I thought it was needed to use learning implants. The reason I am keeping it on the plan is because you need it to 3 to use +3 fitting implants which can be really useful. Also any +3 gunnery implant and such.
Thanks for the input!
Cheers!
-malik |

Kurtis Khagah
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.10.29 21:27:00 -
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I bookmarked this thread for future reference, thanks. |

Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.10.29 23:01:00 -
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You should add small railgun spec also, didn't see it. And as mentioned maybe talk about proper attribute mapping, it can save heaps of time if mapped properly and using implants. Cerebral accelerators are also handy you can get over 2mil SP in your first month if you do it right, fairly costly exercise though.
Looks good though. BTW, love your stream.. The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |

Sergant Steel
Alpha Ahnd Omega
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:51:00 -
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Could u make a seperate one for caldari (less drone focused) |

Titus Marrs
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:46:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:You should add small railgun spec also, didn't see it. And as mentioned maybe talk about proper attribute mapping, it can save heaps of time if mapped properly and using implants. Cerebral accelerators are also handy you can get over 2mil SP in your first month if you do it right, fairly costly exercise though.
Looks good though. BTW, love your stream.. +1 to your suggestions.
I just joined EvE and in a packaged deal offered, i was given a Cerebral accelerator. I knew it sped things up, just didn't know how to use my bonus remaps to make things quick. I read the attributes i would want to learn gunnery faster, just not sure if those same attributes help gunnery performance in pvp situations. BTW, im training for small railgun for the Atron. 150mm rail II with antimtter rounds looks like it might work good :)
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Malik Fett
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.11.21 10:44:00 -
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Good news. The 4 racial plans are almost finished. I am making final adjustments right now, would love for some input.
http://www.twitch.tv/malik_fett
Cheers! |

Stephen Olympus Bishop
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.23 22:45:00 -
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Three things ... 1. Thank you VERY much for posting this plan. Very helpfull to a new player like me whos overwhelmed with the endless possibilities and training is all over the board as a result . Your plan makes it easy . 1.....2...3 :} 2. Invested a few ISK into the long term potential of my characters and have all 3 training this plan but am stuck between Atron and Tristan as to which would be better to deploy. (leaning to Atron. smaller signature and 4 highs) which do you recommend ? I would most likely be a tackle as im likely gonna be one of the least trained in a gang or fleet so in close with quick damage and harder to hit is my thinking. 3. Lastly ..... please finish and post the other 3 racial plans soon !
Again thank you. Stand for something.....or fall for anything. |
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