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Dragon Utrigas Filthy Privateers 2	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:40:00 - [1] - Quote I know the guristas speciality is ECM, but do they really have to jam the crap out of you so much? Talk about a way to ruin your efficiency in missions. ECM plays a vital role in fleet ops for sure, but I don't feel it adds much to the game when it's the AI jamming you while you're trying to grind some LP/Isk. Come on CCP, sort out the AI uber-jammers, it's most frustrating...
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1677	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:28:00 - [2] - Quote How many ECCMs did you have fitted? Oh, and you weren't flying a Marauder, right?
Dragon Utrigas Filthy Privateers 2	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:05:00 - [3] - Quote I don't fit ECCM as it requires sacrificing DPS :p I do have Gravi compensation at IV though and I'm flying a CNR. I'm not getting jammed excessively, it just irks me that the AI is so damn good at it and that it doesn't really add anything to the game other than being incredibly annoying. Sure, in PvP it's awesome, but I just don't see the point of the AI jamming you so effectively. Maybe it's some essential part of the Eve universe that I'm ignorant of, who knows. I just find it irritating and would be enormously pleased if the AI stopped doing it :)
Hesod Adee Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance 101	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:09:00 - [4] - Quote Dragon Utrigas wrote: I don't fit ECCM as it requires sacrificing DPS :p Being unable to shoot at them because you didn't fit ECCM is also sacrificing DPS. Though, last I heard (years ago), ECCM didn't help against NPCs. When did that change ?
Kilrayn Caldari Provisions 212	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:13:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah, rats can do ecm that we can't (I wish we could get some of those 50km+ webs/jams/scrams mods ). My advice to people having trouble as zhilia suggested is eccm. It will help you dps more than you think as that dps your 'sacrificing' is wasted the longer you're jammed. Also, you could stop missioning in gurista space, you'll almost never see jamming in other spaces. "Music is a mysterious thing. Sometimes itn++ makes people remember things they do not expect. Many thoughts, feelings, memories... things almost forgotten... Regardless of whether the listener desires to remember or not." - Citan Uzuki, Xenogears
Kilrayn Caldari Provisions 212	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:13:00 - [6] - Quote Hesod Adee wrote: Dragon Utrigas wrote: I don't fit ECCM as it requires sacrificing DPS :p Being unable to shoot at them because you didn't fit ECCM is also sacrificing DPS. Though, last I heard (years ago), ECCM didn't help against NPCs. When did that change ? Was changed in Cruicible IIRC. "Music is a mysterious thing. Sometimes itn++ makes people remember things they do not expect. Many thoughts, feelings, memories... things almost forgotten... Regardless of whether the listener desires to remember or not." - Citan Uzuki, Xenogears
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 126	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:14:00 - [7] - Quote Confirming that ECCM works wonderfully against NPCs. Dragon Utrigas wrote: I don't fit ECCM as it requires sacrificing DPS :p I think I see the problem here.
Dragon Utrigas Filthy Privateers 2	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:20:00 - [8] - Quote Fair point about not doing damage when you're jammed I guess and I suppose Guristas and jamming go together in the Eve universe so it's a case of fit for it when appropriate.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 920	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:22:00 - [9] - Quote I see it from both sides. ECCM does work against them now so theres no reason not to fit it other than it slows you down. On the other hand they have insane multispectral jamming that would wreck PvP. Eve is Real
Kilrayn Caldari Provisions 212	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:23:00 - [10] - Quote Dragon Utrigas wrote: Fair point about not doing damage when you're jammed I guess and I suppose Guristas and jamming go together in the Eve universe so it's a case of fit for it when appropriate. Aye, I rarely mission anymore, but when I was grinding missions, it was in Gallente space in a Rattlesnake. Drones arent bothered by dampening "Music is a mysterious thing. Sometimes itn++ makes people remember things they do not expect. Many thoughts, feelings, memories... things almost forgotten... Regardless of whether the listener desires to remember or not." - Citan Uzuki, Xenogears
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 920	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:24:00 - [11] - Quote Kilrayn wrote: Dragon Utrigas wrote: Fair point about not doing damage when you're jammed I guess and I suppose Guristas and jamming go together in the Eve universe so it's a case of fit for it when appropriate. Aye, I rarely mission anymore, but when I was grinding missions, it was in Gallente space in a Rattlesnake. Drones arent bothered by dampening Also RS can push well over 1kDPS and still have 2 ECCM's fit. Eve is Real
Dragon Utrigas Filthy Privateers 2	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:27:00 - [12] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Kilrayn wrote: Dragon Utrigas wrote: Fair point about not doing damage when you're jammed I guess and I suppose Guristas and jamming go together in the Eve universe so it's a case of fit for it when appropriate. Aye, I rarely mission anymore, but when I was grinding missions, it was in Gallente space in a Rattlesnake. Drones arent bothered by dampening Also RS can push well over 1kDPS and still have 2 ECCM's fit. Not with my missiles skills :(
Gimme more Cynos Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 79	Posted - 2013.10.25 22:13:00 - [13] - Quote OH NOEZ, I GET JAMMED 1 out of 100 TIMES !!! .... Fit ECCM.. NO, I WON'T BECAUSE.... =??? wtf is wrong with you?! Oh, and the jamming does serve a purpose. It's there to annoy ignorant peeps like you. And this is a good thing. Jeez, people these days..
Dragon Utrigas Filthy Privateers 2	Posted - 2013.10.25 22:19:00 - [14] - Quote Gimme more Cynos wrote: OH NOEZ, I GET JAMMED 1 out of 100 TIMES !!! .... Fit ECCM.. NO, I WON'T BECAUSE.... =??? wtf is wrong with you?! Oh, and the jamming does serve a purpose. It's there to annoy ignorant peeps like you. And this is a good thing. Jeez, people these days.. Shouldn't you be out bumping miners somewhere?
Mnemosyne Gloob Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc. 128	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:54:00 - [15] - Quote Dragon Utrigas wrote: but do they really have to jam the crap out of you so much? Dragon Utrigas wrote: I'm not getting jammed excessively So what now? Dragon Utrigas wrote: I don't fit ECCM as it requires sacrificing DPS :p Does it now? My ECCM goes into medslots and last i checked there are no direct damage mods that i could put there. That being said i remember flying a guardian on a small roam once and we found a 5/10 or so and decided to run it. I got jammed at some point while having >100 radar strength - so it can happen any time. The bad thing from player perspective about getting jammed is the binary nature. When you are jammed, you just sit there doing nothing for 20 (?) seconds. Other forms of ewar you can (try) to counter by navigation.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 922	Posted - 2013.10.26 05:33:00 - [16] - Quote Mnemosyne Gloob wrote: Dragon Utrigas wrote: but do they really have to jam the crap out of you so much? Dragon Utrigas wrote: I'm not getting jammed excessively So what now? Dragon Utrigas wrote: I don't fit ECCM as it requires sacrificing DPS :p Does it now? My ECCM goes into medslots and last i checked there are no direct damage mods that i could put there. That being said i remember flying a guardian on a small roam once and we found a 5/10 or so and decided to run it. I got jammed at some point while having >100 radar strength - so it can happen any time. The bad thing from player perspective about getting jammed is the binary nature. When you are jammed, you just sit there doing nothing for 20 (?) seconds. Other forms of ewar you can (try) to counter by navigation. They go in both mids and lows. Eve is Real
Gimme more Cynos Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 79	Posted - 2013.10.26 08:45:00 - [17] - Quote Dragon Utrigas wrote: Gimme more Cynos wrote: OH NOEZ, I GET JAMMED 1 out of 100 TIMES !!! .... Fit ECCM.. NO, I WON'T BECAUSE.... =??? wtf is wrong with you?! Oh, and the jamming does serve a purpose. It's there to annoy ignorant peeps like you. And this is a good thing. Jeez, people these days.. Shouldn't you be out bumping miners somewhere? Nah, I'm rather doing missions in my CNR (which gets a proper fit for missions, unlike yours). Seriously, can it be that hard to fit a darn mod? Can it be so hard to kill those jam-rats asap? and the answer is: NO, it's not hard AT ALL. Quit your ranting and either fly a proper fit or deal with it ffs.
Dragon Utrigas Filthy Privateers 2	Posted - 2013.10.26 10:30:00 - [18] - Quote Gimme more Cynos wrote: Dragon Utrigas wrote: Gimme more Cynos wrote: OH NOEZ, I GET JAMMED 1 out of 100 TIMES !!! .... Fit ECCM.. NO, I WON'T BECAUSE.... =??? wtf is wrong with you?! Oh, and the jamming does serve a purpose. It's there to annoy ignorant peeps like you. And this is a good thing. Jeez, people these days.. Shouldn't you be out bumping miners somewhere? Nah, I'm rather doing missions in my CNR (which gets a proper fit for missions, unlike yours). Seriously, can it be that hard to fit a darn mod? Can it be so hard to kill those jam-rats asap? and the answer is: NO, it's not hard AT ALL. Quit your ranting and either fly a proper fit or deal with it ffs. Either you have no idea what the word "rant" means, or you're just a troll, or possibly both. Either way your time would be better served elsewhere as you clearly lack the interpersonal skills required to engage with people on an open forum.
Dragon Utrigas Filthy Privateers 2	Posted - 2013.10.26 10:31:00 - [19] - Quote Mnemosyne Gloob wrote: Dragon Utrigas wrote: but do they really have to jam the crap out of you so much? Dragon Utrigas wrote: I'm not getting jammed excessively So what now? Dragon Utrigas wrote: I don't fit ECCM as it requires sacrificing DPS :p Does it now? My ECCM goes into medslots and last i checked there are no direct damage mods that i could put there. That being said i remember flying a guardian on a small roam once and we found a 5/10 or so and decided to run it. I got jammed at some point while having >100 radar strength - so it can happen any time. The bad thing from player perspective about getting jammed is the binary nature. When you are jammed, you just sit there doing nothing for 20 (?) seconds. Other forms of ewar you can (try) to counter by navigation. The only ECCM mods I've seen occupy low slots, which ones go in mids? I could probably sacrifice a mid tbh.
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 425	Posted - 2013.10.26 10:45:00 - [20] - Quote ECCM - Gravimetric I And its siblings. You must've had back luck, I hardly ever get jammed in mt CNR and dont have sensor comp that high.
Mnemosyne Gloob Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc. 128	Posted - 2013.10.26 19:24:00 - [21] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: They go in both mids and lows. That's why i said 'My ECCM' :)
Estella Osoka Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis 150	Posted - 2013.10.26 20:10:00 - [22] - Quote ECCM mods and making sure you have the sensor compensations skills trained work wonders against ECM. Also, if you are a missile user; there is this wonderful missile type called "Auto-Targeting".
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 428	Posted - 2013.10.27 15:33:00 - [23] - Quote Well....it's a missile type, I'll give you that.

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