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hellhathnofury
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:34:00 -
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There has been mention that the Tier 3 Caldari BS will be a turret based ship. I just wanted to know if anyone knows if there is any truth to this and whether I need to start sinking heavily into Gunnery right now, something I don't want to do.
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Drakhis
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:46:00 -
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It is true was stated in EON. and tbh what else would the caldari get as a tier 3.. they already have a uber ass missile boat platform and a uber as ECM platform... nowhere else for them to go honestly
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Void Dragon
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Drakhis
It is true was stated in EON. and tbh what else would the caldari get as a tier 3.. they already have a uber ass missile boat platform and a uber as ECM platform... nowhere else for them to go honestly
Drone Boat 
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:55:00 -
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Are we looking at a BS that's going to be to the Raven what the Moa is to the Caracal? Or are we looking at the Tier 3's being in balance with the Tier 2 ships?
Any word on what the other Tier 3 ships are going to be like?
Harry Voyager
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Delnas
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Void Dragon
Originally by: Drakhis
It is true was stated in EON. and tbh what else would the caldari get as a tier 3.. they already have a uber ass missile boat platform and a uber as ECM platform... nowhere else for them to go honestly
Drone Boat
Can you say Domi?
It wont be a Drone carrier. Thats Gallentes area.
I think it will either be a Railgun ship (as the Moa is to the Caracal), or a tanking ship. I just hope it wont outshine Teir 2s. I'm just now starting to think about training a Raven. >.<
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Drakhis
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:59:00 -
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Void caldari dont play with drones thats gallanete not a SINGLE ship in EVE but the carriers and mothership for caldari have bonus to anything remotely like drones so chances of a caldari drone platform is immpossible
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Leshrac Shepherd
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
Are we looking at a BS that's going to be to the Raven what the Moa is to the Caracal? Or are we looking at the Tier 3's being in balance with the Tier 2 ships?
Any word on what the other Tier 3 ships are going to be like?
Harry Voyager
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Plancek
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:07:00 -
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Like they said in EON, it's gonna be a rail platform with considerable range advantages. As a raven pilot, I cant see ever wanting to go with rails as a primary, but who knows? Its EvE, folks, I think by now we have easily determined that not everything here makes sense...
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:31:00 -
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Who gives a flying phook - it aint out and isnt any way near being out so why ask about something that evidently doesnt exist?
If the total hypothetical really interests you then you should get out and play Rl..
Regards AL Thorr
"You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
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hellhathnofury
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:37:00 -
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You see on the one hand I can understand that with the Raven in existence there is little point in having a missile based Tier 3 ship. But on the other, it makes no sense at all that the Caldari, who's whole existence revolves around missiles, have a railgun flagship (Well, non-capital ship wise).
I'm just a bit miffed that in order to make the most of a ship that I would love to fly, I'm going to have to train a massive subset of skills I never wanted or thought I would have to train. It's either gunnery or capital ships for me at this stage. I have no real right to complain as it's a considerable addition in terms of new content and that is good.
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Kasibee'an
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Al Thorr
Who gives a flying phook - it aint out and isnt any way near being out so why ask about something that evidently doesnt exist?
The point my friend is people like myself need to start training now if they want to fly it when it comes out (which is scheduled for Kali in Q2 this year) rather than 4 months afterwards. Having new ships staring back at you when you really want one and know you could be flying one yourself is just plain annoying 
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Plancek
Like they said in EON, it's gonna be a rail platform with considerable range advantages. As a raven pilot, I cant see ever wanting to go with rails as a primary, but who knows? Its EvE, folks, I think by now we have easily determined that not everything here makes sense...
Well, the Caldari do have a rail specialist ship line, up through the Ferox, so it does make sense for them to get a rail focused Battleship.
Caldari are sort of unique, in that their battleships don't reflect their heavy cruisers. The Raven reflects the Caracal, but their is no compainion for the Moa. I think the Scorpion was originally a rail sniper, but it evolved into its modern role as an EWar platform, due to its high mid slot count.
Harry Voyager
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:50:00 -
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Yes I can understand your inquisitive nature - but if you believe kali is scheduled for a q2 release then with repsect ,you are sadly clutching at straws. I wish to be proved wrong btw, but I just cant see it myself.
Regards AL Thorr.
"You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
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Kasibee'an
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Posted - 2006.02.04 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Al Thorr
Yes I can understand your inquisitive nature - but if you believe kali is scheduled for a q2 release then with repsect ,you are sadly clutching at straws. I wish to be proved wrong btw, but I just cant see it myself.
You're probably right. However, that gives them until July 1st to be 'on schedule' and as I would have thought a decent proportion of the Dev team must be working on Kali, I wouldn't have thought it would slip more than 4-8 weeks on top. Just how many Devs does it take to change a Tranquility?
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Drakhis
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Posted - 2006.02.04 01:11:00 -
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Ok this is a TEIR THREE Battleship not a TECH 2 BATTLESHIP its only going to take Caldari Battleship FOUR not Five not advanced spaceship command blah blah blah but to fly it effectively you WILL need Tech 2 heavy rails and the ability to use them PROPORLY!
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Kasibee'an
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Posted - 2006.02.04 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Drakhis
Ok this is a TEIR THREE Battleship not a TECH 2 BATTLESHIP its only going to take Caldari Battleship FOUR not Five not advanced spaceship command blah blah blah but to fly it effectively you WILL need Tech 2 heavy rails and the ability to use them PROPORLY!
I see what you are saying. However, my gunnery skill SP total can almost be counted on one hand, I still can't use T2 missiles and my support skills (Electronics\Engineering) I would only consider mediocre. It would be a few months at least before I would consider myself a decently skilled Raven pilot, without adding gunnery on top.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.02.04 02:36:00 -
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Ovuer has already siad that hte tier 3's will not totally outclass the tier twos, they will however provide a slightly different option (that is still in the racial philosophy), they will be somewhat easier to fit as well.
The current stats are fairly unbalanced, and look very early so we must give the balancing process some time.
I am however heavily hoping for a 8 turret Gallente BS with a MWD and falloff penalty.
The Minmater ship wll be the hardest to balance without making the Tempest and typhoon irrelevent.
*snip* That's not very appropriate. - Teblin |
Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.02.04 04:01:00 -
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Perhapse a Minmatar counterpart to the Raven?
Probably less dps oriented, and more towards either long range fighting, or clearing smaller ships? I mean, as in a ship that is optimized in the anti-cruiser/frigate role, at the expense of its performance as an anti-BS ship.
Harry Voyager
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Drakhis
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Posted - 2006.02.04 04:03:00 -
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if gallante get a 8 turreted BS with fallof penalty and MWD bonuses i will be ****ed.. blasterthron is already one of the most ungodly powerful thinks in space you guys dont need a stronger version of it honestly
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.02.04 04:18:00 -
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Ironically thats the most interesting set of bonuses I could think of, it would be cool, still usefull in fleet battle, and wouldn't make the Mega irrelevent while subscribing to the Gallente racial philosophy.
Trust me 8 turrets with tracking and damage with an extra midslot and 6k more grid would be far less original and just reduce the Mega to irrelevency.
*snip* That's not very appropriate. - Teblin |
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.02.04 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: hellhathnofury
You see on the one hand I can understand that with the Raven in existence there is little point in having a missile based Tier 3 ship. But on the other, it makes no sense at all that the Caldari, who's whole existence revolves around missiles, have a railgun flagship (Well, non-capital ship wise).
I'm just a bit miffed that in order to make the most of a ship that I would love to fly, I'm going to have to train a massive subset of skills I never wanted or thought I would have to train. It's either gunnery or capital ships for me at this stage. I have no real right to complain as it's a considerable addition in terms of new content and that is good.
Hehe, you think it sucks having to train two weapons systems eh? Try having your whole race based around it 
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Lorette
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Posted - 2006.02.04 04:59:00 -
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As long as this 'caldari railboat' doesnt overshadow any gallante railboat (considering gall are more hybrid intensive than caldari). Now i prefer to use rails over blasters myself and i really dont want to have to train up caldari just to fly my prefered type of ship. Caldari have short and long range missles, Gallante have blasters and rails, so any caldari ship that uses rails imo should be worse than something gallante can feild.
I already would prefer a ferox over a brutix as it is...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.04 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 04/02/2006 05:40:16
"As long as this 'caldari railboat' doesnt overshadow any gallante railboat (considering gall are more hybrid intensive than caldari)."
Caldari hybrid battleship compared to Gallente hybrid battleships is likely going to be similar to how the Harpy currently stacks against the Enyo... (though with somewhat higher ratio of missile bays if the early stats are any indication)
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.02.04 05:44:00 -
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Two ships can have the same guns and still approach combat in different ways.
The caldari railboat will have a significant advantage with its range, while the Gallente one will still be better at brute force.
*snip* That's not very appropriate. - Teblin |
Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.02.04 06:07:00 -
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I would like to see the T3 Caldari BS be a mini carrier.
Caldari are the masters of the 1-man fighters. Let it show. Give us a BS that can field 2-3* of them, and fit a tank/hislot setup similiar to the domi.
*number would change as fighters are hopefully going to get the nerf bat soon because they're insane.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.02.04 06:16:00 -
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Dude, face it fighters are probably going to get boosted before they get nerfed.
CCP needs to give thier long term subscribers thier one man pwnmobile reacharound.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.02.04 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I would like to see the T3 Caldari BS be a mini carrier.
Caldari are the masters of the 1-man fighters. Let it show. Give us a BS that can field 2-3* of them, and fit a tank/hislot setup similiar to the domi.
Yeah right. If anyone should get a t3 carrier it's Amarr and that would be based on the Aribtrator. Caldari is weakest when it comes to drones.
Caldari are going to get a railboat like so many have wanted, it's pretty much fact.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2006.02.04 07:27:00 -
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I have no faith in the devs giving minnie flying folks a ship that is actually good at 1 thing. That being said maybe they will I hope go the other way and make it extremely versatile. 8turret 8 launcher. with appropriate bonuses. Make it a ship you never know what to expect from. Perhaps a torp bonus.. but nothing to cruise.. given the progression to the nagalfar having to use torps it;s not that farfetched.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.02.04 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I would like to see the T3 Caldari BS be a mini carrier.
Caldari are the masters of the 1-man fighters. Let it show. Give us a BS that can field 2-3* of them, and fit a tank/hislot setup similiar to the domi.
Yeah right. If anyone should get a t3 carrier it's Amarr and that would be based on the Aribtrator. Caldari is weakest when it comes to drones.
Hi, 1-man fighters are not the same thing as drones. Due to the limiting interface they are controlled the same way, but they are two entirely different things.
Also, the Caldari are the masters of 1-man fighters, and given the expenses in trained pod-pilots, it's ludicrious for CCP to try and say the State wouldn't have kept improving their fighters and keep them a step above the rest.
Ofcourse, Caldari's far too popular as it is, so while it'd be nice for CCP to keep the game in-line with their background for it, I'm sure it won't ever happen.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Naskaya
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Posted - 2006.02.04 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Naskaya on 04/02/2006 12:04:09
I would love a T3 Caldari Rail platform...
Say its against the Caldari habits is simply forget the Moa and the ferox
Did you see the new command ship Vulture, and its bonus at Railguns ?
It's not because most of caldari players prefers missiles that the faction think like that
i've played around in a Railox, with hi 5x 250 mm, and 2x assault launcher, and i loved it..
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