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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.02.04 21:38:00 -
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So, I'm looking for an AF that will kill 1.85 mill BSs in a timely manner. I'm fighting guristas spawns, what would you use to kill them, and with what mods?
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Sony CEO
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Posted - 2006.02.04 21:46:00 -
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I doubt you can find an af w/enough dps to do what you want
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Har Ganeth
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Posted - 2006.02.04 21:50:00 -
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An enyo might be able to using neutron II's. Can use defenders too, which is handy.
The ishkur won't be able to tank as well, but can put out 5 drones.
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DeathWarrior
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Posted - 2006.02.04 21:55:00 -
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Theres enough DPS, but there aint usually a single 1.85mil... it comes in 2's or 3's and there quite smart..
They split up ( 1 goes down, 1 goes up the grid ).. They would be able to hit you thats the problem.
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Exelon Bei
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Posted - 2006.02.04 22:21:00 -
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Would a harpy be able to take down 1.000.000+ BSs? angles more specificly?(explosive damage)
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Condemner
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Posted - 2006.02.05 00:12:00 -
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ishkur with t2 ions and drones can/has done it and can tank the damage easy aslong as not webbed to hell
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.02.05 00:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Exelon Bei
Would a harpy be able to take down 1.000.000+ BSs? angles more specificly?(explosive damage)
Possibly. It would be able to tank it forever with a faction shield booster though.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.02.05 01:44:00 -
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I use a dual nos dual ion ishkur atm, but I find it just takes too long on 1mil+ bs spawns, I'm training up blaster spec but I doubt it will help that much.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2006.02.05 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Demangel on 05/02/2006 10:10:10
LOL if your flying an AF and gurista BS's are actually a threat to you, you are doing something horribly horribly wrong. The only thing they have going for them against an AF is just how hard it can be to break the tanks on anything beyond 1.4 mil (even a 1.4 mil rat might take a couple reloads).
First off the only things that really tend to hurt you are the frigs and cruisers. Which I might add die in seconds and are easy to tank.
Second the Bs's even without any hardners do around 6-10 Damage (whopping isn't it) per hit from thier missiles... And thier guns? if you get hit more than once or twice in six hours of 0.0 ratting by a BS's gun and your in an AF, you need to stop reading books while ratting, or at least look up every 2 or three minutes to adjust your orbit etc.
In all seriousness though, I will agree anything above 1.4 mil in terms of it's tank, can be TOUGH to break. But once the escort is gone, it should be childs play to stay alive anyway.
For one thing if your flying an AF, when your ratting a PVP oriented setup won't be worth jack... your pushing the envelope if your trying to kill anything bigger than the escorts. Which means you have to fit specifically for killing the BS's.
As I fly ishkurs and enyos mostly (I have abandoned BS's for a while as a style preference), I will try and give you some advice for your ishkur:
1: Nos? Useless... fit three neut II's instead. Period. IF you have fitting left, then by all means go with nos in the open slot, but you don't need it.
Mid should be ab - web - 15% cap recharger.
Lows should be 1 tII small rep, and any combination of the following, energized adaptive (TII if possible), cap power relay, Mag stab (2 of these can be useful IMHO for tank busting). If you lack the power for 3 TII neuts, stick in a MAPC.
For drones, if your hunting guristas, you should be flying 5 kinetic drones (drones doing kinetic damage). If you have AF 4 you should have 2 mediums, and 3 lights, if AF 5, use 3 mediums, and 2 lights.
Nos in short is pretty much useless against 0.0 guristas NPC's, even if you CAN suck out thier cap, they don't stop shooting (or boosting either from what I can tell), and you don't need the cap for tanking or anything anyway. Besides 2 small nos is barely considered a cap drain against a BS really anyway, least not from just one ship.
Mathematically a 1.85 should be doable for an ishkur with AF5 using kinetic drones, 3 neuts TII, and possibly a damage mod. The ishkur as such with skills, can dish even more DPS than an enyo with similar skills, to NPC rats, and use 1/4 less ammo in the process.
Just keep your drones out of harms way and your set.
Again if you cannot tank 0.0 gurista spawns of any sort in an AF your doing something kinda wrong. Your in an AF for goodness sake, your barely hittable for the BS's, and the escort dies very quickly.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.02.05 10:23:00 -
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i can in my enyo
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.05 11:22:00 -
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guristas and ebil shield tanks are nasty. While you can easily npc in blood/sansha space in t2 frig... i don't recommend it for guristas. I have problems breaking tanks of biggest BS spawns in gank taranis ... which does more dps than most enyo setups... Get a hac(thorax was also 4tw pre drone patch. )
Maybe try harpy but...
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errorist
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Posted - 2006.02.05 11:43:00 -
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in my enyo with 4 ions i can tank and take down 3 1.4 mill angels spawns with out any problams, this ofc are angels and dont shield tank aswell as gurista do!!
from previus expirences i found out that the enyo dosent have any problems at all tanking gurista(even the 2,5 mill spawns) but it cant break their tank
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salov
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Posted - 2006.02.06 06:56:00 -
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How would a Cerberus do in attacking 1.4mill+ spawns as far as breaking the tanks?
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.06 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: salov
How would a Cerberus do in attacking 1.4mill+ spawns as far as breaking the tanks?
Overkill on guristas.
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Eonov
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Posted - 2006.02.06 10:57:00 -
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With a cerb its childs play, infact its mainly against guristas npc,s that u can demonstrate how evil a cerb can be, 3x 1.8 mil bs with 3x dire (hac) escorts = no probs.
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.02.06 11:27:00 -
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Not forgetting of course that the cerbie has rather longer rnage than a blaster ishkur ;).
Seriously tho, a well skilled AF should have no real problems in taking on a 'regular' 0.0 guristas spawn. Just steer clear of big spawns and definitely named BSes unless you are very sure of your ability. Its SO tempted to go after a 4mil raven thinking 'how much wrose could they be' ... the answer is a LOT ;). My ishkur died oh so very quickly.
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Baraak Tizhaan
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Posted - 2006.02.06 14:00:00 -
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I've had reasonable success with a Retribution using Med Pulse IIs and multifreq crystals. Once you're in close nobody hits you, but it takes a long time to kill the larger BS, especially anything 1.5mil and up. I'd hate to imagine how much ammunition you'd get through using anything non laser powered though :)
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Nikita Fontaine
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Posted - 2006.02.06 15:11:00 -
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Only seen 1.55 Mill Gurista BS, but my harpy handles them fine - takes 105 shots per gun + rockets to kill it - not too difficult at all.
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