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Ydiss
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Posted - 2003.09.03 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ydiss on 03/09/2003 09:49:52
[Sorry for the long post, it got cut off - continued] - questions - For all I knew they had been attacked by a warring corp and had won. They just didn't tell me anything except that I was a thief).
I pointed out that if I truly had wanted to steal them, being in a 0.5 system, I would have just carried on and taken the lot (including the cargo with their names on) and not given it back. They could have done nothing about this.
Still not good enough for them.
So, by their "rules" 20-30 cargo containers floating in a 'roid field with several different owner names on them are theirs and no one elses.
I'm sorry, but for all I know they could have stumbled across them just as I did and were just trying to keep them all to themselves in some weird manifestation of internet greed.
I'm new to the game so I do not wish to make too many enemies too quickly, but I don't see why I should be pushed around by arrogant "thugs" who think they make the rules up.
And, upon reading their corp info I noticed that it proudly claimed that they are a friendly corp who like to help new players!
GG irony. |
Othnark
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:02:00 -
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Yes i did read the statement, and what a load of ********* i thought of that.
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O...M...G... What a crock of absolute excrement. Never in the reign of pigs pudding have i heard such a down right load of sh*t.
Its funny how you got all upset and demanded banning over the use of the word moron but now you go off like this?
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another... I have bought a can of pop from the shop, i decide i need a paper... i place the can down as i dont have a bag, whilst purchasing the paper someone has made off with the can of pop i tempary placed there.
& even if we didnt catch them, we would still have the ability to report them to the police so that the police can hunt them down.
All your RL analogies are crap. There is only one correct RL analogy and it is posted on the official support page. Jettisoning ore is akin to throwing money on the street. Not a wallet, not a credit card, not a can of soda pop, it is not a bet you place, not a temporary storage location. It is not anything more than something you discarded and have no use for anymore. Thats official. Thats according to CCP.
Why are you and everyone else still whining about ore theft when it is officially NOT THEFT according to CCP. Besides, you have all the tools available to use to have security.... why the constant complaining?
-Othnark
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Simplet0n
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:06:00 -
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Hi; I would have absolutely no objection to anyone looting something that wasnt mine or was mine & i had left it. BUT if i am in my ship, mining next to a cargo can & it clearly has my name on it, surely players know this and should move past your cargo can?
Id like to see something like, if the owner of the can is still within a certain radius of said cargo, then thief should get a sec hit. Its surely grief play when someone knowingly steals ore from a can you are sitting next to & mining into.
I have seen the official statement from ccp and also agree with others... its an absolute waste of space. |
Othnark
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:11:00 -
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Its surely grief play when someone knowingly steals ore from a can you are sitting next to & mining into.
I have seen the official statement from ccp and also agree with others... its an absolute waste of space.
It is not a grief play. You are using cargo containers in a way that was NEVER intended and as such assume all the risks. One of those risks is someone can and will come by and take the contents.
Ignore the official statements all you like. That doesnt change the fact that CCP has ruled on this issue and YOU ARE WRONG. It isnt a grief play, it isnt exploiting, it isnt a bug.
Amazing you want to avoid ore theft, then use the tools that exist to avoid it. Why ***** and moan?
-Othnark
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t00r
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: t00r on 03/09/2003 10:13:20
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Its funny how you got all upset and demanded banning over the use of the word moron but now you go off like this?
It wasnt the use of the word moron, it was the way u threw it around at singular ppl, with no respect at all.
EDITED TO ADD SICK REMARKS ABOUT U.
I sorry u r such an ass, u musta bin bullied as a kid. |
HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:15:00 -
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Bla bla bla! Give it a rest its in the game for now and better accept the facts as it is!
Chief Executive Officer
Inferno Corp: Where we are ultimate Destruction will follow |
t00r
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:15:00 -
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can this be locked deleted? this guy is a ******* total ****er? |
t00r
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:17:00 -
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in fact, after this post i will cancell my account. this place is full of immature insignificant school kids, with nothing better to do than show themselves up & act like ****s. Please.. be my guest & carry on. |
HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:27:00 -
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in fact, after this post i will cancell my account. this place is full of immature insignificant school kids, with nothing better to do than show themselves up & act like ****s. Please.. be my guest & carry on.
Are u canceling because of the forum or because something else? Havent ever spoken to someone under 18.. so thats psykological my friend! Im gonna translate a swedish saying to english! Atleast try, You are not truly grown up until u have shown the world that u still have your childish (Sense) left! (Du õr inte verkligt vuxen f÷rens du har visat att du har baransinnet kvar)
Chief Executive Officer
Inferno Corp: Where we are ultimate Destruction will follow |
Simplet0n
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:27:00 -
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It isnt a grief play, it isnt exploiting, it isnt a bug.
Isnt that what all the jetisoned cc' gate campers said?
Although she put it a lot plainer than i would have, i also have to agree with t00r, ur attitude really sucks & the manor in which you put yourself across seems very immature, however right/wrong you are. |
HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:29:00 -
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It¦s an RPG game, we play a roll nothing else it¦s just a game! I daubt someone is this "imature" in RL..
Separate Life and The gaming world!
Chief Executive Officer
Inferno Corp: Where we are ultimate Destruction will follow |
ShaZaam
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: ShaZaam on 03/09/2003 10:30:21
i 3rd that /emotion
where is my pic? i am luverly. |
HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: ShaZaam on 03/09/2003 10:30:21
i 3rd that /emotion
where is my pic? i am luverly.
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Chief Executive Officer
Inferno Corp: Where we are ultimate Destruction will follow |
Simplet0n
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:33:00 -
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Unfortunatley some people dont see his words/attitude as roleplay, and i dont think he meant them that way either. |
HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:35:00 -
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Unfortunatley some people dont see his words/attitude as roleplay, and i dont think he meant them that way either.
But still it¦s just a roleplay! 
Chief Executive Officer
Inferno Corp: Where we are ultimate Destruction will follow |
Simplet0n
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:38:00 -
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But still it¦s just a roleplay!
The only roleplay i know... doesnt happen to be part of a game. |
HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:40:00 -
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And by that u meen? The forum i might guess!
But the forum and the game connects!
2 as 1!
Chief Executive Officer
Inferno Corp: Where we are ultimate Destruction will follow |
Ydiss
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:40:00 -
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in fact, after this post i will cancell my account. this place is full of immature insignificant school kids, with nothing better to do than show themselves up & act like ****s. Please.. be my guest & carry on.
I don't know you but from where I'm standing you're the immature one and have been acting like a kid more than anyone in this entire thread.
How do you expect to get your point across if you continue to lace it with swear words?
It's only a game, don't take it so seriously.
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t00r
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:42:00 -
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How do you expect to get your point across if you continue to lace it with swear words?
It's only a game, don't take it so seriously.
What do u mean? It was roleplay. now f*ck off |
HitGirl
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:46:00 -
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How do you expect to get your point across if you continue to lace it with swear words?
It's only a game, don't take it so seriously.
What do u mean? It was roleplay. now f*ck off
He ment that u wont get your point out if u use swear words all the time! No point in swearing if u dont have a good reason for it like personal attacks or something:)
Chief Executive Officer
Inferno Corp: Where we are ultimate Destruction will follow |
t00r
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: t00r on 03/09/2003 10:51:56
( removed - real syndrome name incase anyone does actually have it ) |
Ydiss
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:57:00 -
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How do you expect to get your point across if you continue to lace it with swear words?
It's only a game, don't take it so seriously.
What do u mean? It was roleplay. now f*ck off
The weak minded excuse for bad behaviour on a forum for a role-playing game.
Either way, if you were roleplaying, you're not very good at it.
Your character just lamented someone and called for them to be banned from an internet forum for saying "moron" and now your character is directly attacking other members on an internet forum verbally using offensive language.
Modern offensive language from the 21st Century.
Don't give up your day-job for an acting career, if I were you.
You may now reply with more profanity. |
noise
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Posted - 2003.09.03 13:08:00 -
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Well, first off. I'm not an ore thief, and i do not support anybody who does this.
But within the game "ore theft" or whatever you want to call it is not a crime. see the CCP statements posted earlier.
Also everybody who keeps saying "exploit! exploit!" Surely an exploit is doing something in the game other that what that particular thing was intended for.
What i am saying is that Jettisoned cargo container, according to CCP, wasn't meant to be used in the way it is currently being used for mining. So those Miners that are using it for storage and collection later in a bigger ship are exploiting cargo containers.
just my thought of the day, must now go rest my head from thinking too much
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-It's a big rock. Can't wait to tell my friends. They don't have a rock this big.
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t00r
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Posted - 2003.09.03 13:56:00 -
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Yawn! |
Karon Wodens
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Posted - 2003.09.03 14:11:00 -
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A solution to ore thieves.
Requires a bit of luck and 3x mwd's
Approach him when he's at leas 30km away
Turn on the mwd's.
Repeat as neccesary.
A good hit will knock him 120km's away from the belt.
Caldari Prime: Think of that moment, remember what they did...
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Drake Kazayama
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:02:00 -
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othnark: good job finding that info from CCP.
t00r: but, if you quit... who's ore will i recover? please don't quit. i need money.
ydiss: sorry to hear about your unfortunate run in with morons, but you handled it well. 99% of the time logic will overcome reason.
t00r again: actually, if you quit, can i have all your stuff?
everyone: ok, first off nobody responded to my deal (give me 100 mil and i'll stop ore recovering forever). second, USE SECURE CONTAINERS. third, CCP has said this is not an exploit, and even hints that you can-miners are out there using cans for something they were not intended for. why dont you mine a load... take it back... mine a load... take it back... that's how it was supposed to be done. basically, you found a way to use cans to make money faster... but so did us ore recovery specialists.
finally: USE SECURE CONTAINERS!
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Drake Kazayama
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:05:00 -
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Just a recap...
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The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargohold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it
also this
The bottom line is: If you use regular containers to store your ore you assume all the risk. Having your valuables floating in space in an unsecure container is equivelant to throwing money on the street. Should you lurk nearby and wait for someone to take the money and then attack him, the police would deal with you, not him. The same goes in Eve. If you attack a player who just took "your" ore from a regular container in a system with a security level of 0.5 or higher. You will be destroyed by Concord.
Thanks alot, now we have the bottom line right from the support page. I have been right all along.
-Othnark
thanks again!
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Thyro
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:08:00 -
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rules and more rules are kill this f** game.
How about a rule that revokes secured systems? hum ... rules and more stupid rules.. no thanks!
I just wonder when CCP/CPP whatever will one day correct the BUG that is allowing jet* container that allows to content 10 or 100 times more the most expensive cc on sale in the market.
rules and more rules... no rules at all please or this game one day will look like a law book with full of crap.
If u didn't have any rule setup in the secure systems you could blow up that thief ... but since we have that stupid rules, don't ask for more stupid rules... thanks
Take care
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Aneris Fnard
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:27:00 -
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I think if you are planning on mining an entire belt, you had better plan on enough haulers to get the ore safely to dock.
Example given. Yesterday while I was at work (darn it.. i miss all the fun) my brother stumbled across a belt with 5 ships mining in thorax with 5 mining guns blazing each. there were 7 SEVEN unsecured cargo containers. My brother was only in a little ship, so only managed to make 150k spacebucks off of 13 trips.
If he had had a bestower, then the profit margin would have been closed to 3 million.
The unofficial bounty on his head resulted in 8 cruisers blasted out of the sky (he off course picked up the jettisoned garbage cans with guns). This all happened while he was doing these trips.
Wouldnt it have made more sense for these 8 cruisers to try and recover some ore from the cans?
He even tried to explain this to them, but they only spoke french.
If you dont want to secure it, and dont want it taken, be within range or calling distance of enough haulers to bring it in, or face facts. We're not the ones exploiting. if you put it in a giant or huge secure, most thieve would leave it alone, because unlike ore miners, were not exploiters.
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Drake Kazayama
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:43:00 -
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rules and more rules are kill this f** game.
How about a rule that revokes secured systems? hum ... rules and more stupid rules.. no thanks!
I just wonder when CCP/CPP whatever will one day correct the BUG that is allowing jet* container that allows to content 10 or 100 times more the most expensive cc on sale in the market.
rules and more rules... no rules at all please or this game one day will look like a law book with full of crap.
If u didn't have any rule setup in the secure systems you could blow up that thief ... but since we have that stupid rules, don't ask for more stupid rules... thanks
Take care
exactly. the real exploiters here are people who use the jettisoned cans to make profit. they were never meant to be used this way. lower the capacity of jettisoned cans to 100. this will solve ALL problems.... not worth the trouble to ore steal.. not able to use free containers for storage.
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