Another ECM ship for caldari, yep, that makes sense.

16 Nyx 721
17 Rifter 704

That right there is not getting enough attention...LOOK AT THAT PLEASE...

Lets see what happens on TQ before we go all "BOOST THE SHIP YOU HAVEN'T RELEASED YET!"

Not quite sure what this has to do with cruise missiles for the Naga?

Also, I wouldn't put a great deal if faith in those numbers as they are 'ships in space' which is not quite the same as actively being flown in PvE/PvP.

Strength bonus to ECM Bursts? A close-range, ECM-bursting torp boat? COuld be somewhere between hilarious and hilariously stupid.

Reality Disagree's with you.

1 Drake 6444
16 Nyx 721
20 Loki 627

Monitoring the list the Drake has never had more then twice as much as the next best ship the Hurricane. The list is low because EVEkill Server Issues means a new 30 Day list started October 31. The day before the Drake had 175000 while the Cane a Small Gang Ship had 125000 and the Abbadon in the area of 80000.

Drake is good but not 10X as good.

To be fair the reason people hate the drake and the tengu so much isn't that they're bad, it's that they've overpowered and excel in too many different areas (IIRC the drake is the most commonly flown combat ship in the game, being used more than than the other top 10 combined)

I will agree though that the cruise missile thing does seem a tad odd. Though with a missile speed bonus it would be a tad imbalanced.

Perhaps not quite on the topic, but i'd like to adress this part.

It's not really that they are overpowered, they only do two things well: tank and spank (or: a reliable buffered tank, with a reliable damage output and moderate reach). The problem rather is that in today's EVE, those two things are too encompassing (or powerful, if you may). Perhaps CCP should spend more time making sure the landscape recieve a better functionality than to go around and adjust trend brought about by a stale sandbox? A simple way to fix "moar draeks" is to reinforce small-gang warfare in the 0.0 setting.

Most of the things flown alot, execerbated by fleet-presence in quarterly statistics, deal in very simplistic tank-spank or countering it. Drakes, Tengus, Abaddons (damage, resistance), AHACs (damage, sig) and Maelstroms (alpha vs. buffer). None of them are quite as potent when scaled down or put in an environment where the pilots are required to maintain more elements on the field or carry out more commands. In those settings, scaling them down to even mid-sized combat, they are still potent but not quite as omnipotent without numbers.

The problem is that tank and spank are the 2 main aspects to damn near every fight, and while ewar/logi/other support are always nice, there are very few instances where someone will be told they CAN'T bring dps.


Therein lies the problem. It's the whole reason I label the drake as OP. It's amazing in large numbers, while simply being pretty good in smaller fleets. Hell, the reason it's so popular is a perfect example of this; a ship that does at least reasonably well at all ranges/fleet sizes is better than one that has to fill a small niche for only a slight increase in performance.
A ship that does consistent damage from 0 - 70 is better than one that does slightly more but only out to 20.
A ship that does consistently well in fleet numbers from 0-200 is better than one that only works at one end of the spectrum.

Man how come i cant find these ships on the market already!!!!

It has been said CCP does not balance ships based on PVE. Should ships be balanced based on the tendency of people to blob them?

cruise missiles sux anyway no worth to use ever in pvp

cruise missiles sux anyway no worth to use ever in pvp

i am pretty sure that they are avoiding missile spamming w.hor.e scenario creating yet another drake with large missiles instead...but it can be that they are testing stuff and you all end up with another drake.

i am hoping that they resist the urge to please every whine on this forums game will be auto more awesome.

Reality Disagree's with you.

1 Drake 6444
2 Hurricane 6038
3 Abaddon 2840
4 Zealot 2106
5 Armageddon 1996
6 Dramiel 1596
7 Tempest 1332
8 Cynabal 1291
9 Sabre 1087
10 Rapier 951
11 Tengu 933
12 Vagabond 910
13 Scimitar 865
14 Harbinger 842
15 Manticore 794
16 Nyx 721
17 Rifter 704
18 Hound 681
19 Machariel 636
20 Loki 627

Monitoring the list the Drake has never had more then twice as much as the next best ship the Hurricane. The list is low because EVEkill Server Issues means a new 30 Day list started October 31. The day before the Drake had 175000 while the Cane a Small Gang Ship had 125000 and the Abbadon in the area of 80000.

Drake is good but not 10X as good.

People are bandying this list around in typical hurr durr idiot fashion without taking into count what the list will look like after the Gallente speed/agility and hybrid buffs have been implemented.

IF and WHEN it turns out that Gallente are still terribad, THEN you can moan and complain and I'll be right there with you, but, please, try it out first.

Yes because god help the game if there is more then 2 viable fleet missile boats.

Mina is a Laser and Artillery ***** only. Likes taking the 1400mm's.

hey hey don't be mean now i like drone action too so basically anything goes that require more than one brain cell to fly so yeah anything non caldari to be precise.

Wouldn't know hun as i wrote just above shallow things are not something i care about so i didn't fly caldari and don't think i will.

And blob of shallow thing is gross and doesn't do game any good and any ccp attempt to stir clear of noob cry for more of the same the better.

"So Drakes are only good in a Blob now... got it."

that's what she said... or you in this case not me.

Wouldn't know hun as i wrote just above shallow things are not something i care about so i didn't fly caldari and don't think i will.

And blob of shallow thing is gross and doesn't do game any good and any ccp attempt to stir clear of noob cry for more of the same the better.

I was under the impression that the new battlecruisers were meant to be glass cannon/in-your-face/expendable leetdps ships.

No matter how you look at it, Cruises in their current form don't fit with this (nor do Rails ofc).

The Talos is an upclose and personal blaster boat.

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The Naga is an upclose and personal blaster OR torp boat.

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And you want Cruises too? For PvP? Really?

Feel free to keep using Cruises for PvP, I certainly won't stop you.

I don't use them for PvP but hey I bet you think it is because the Weapons System Sucks.

You should take a look around for the actual reason why they suck.

eh I never said they were the problem... I said that you were free to use them in PvP.

But as you said, you don't. I'll assume the snide reference is because they don't fit into the current metagame, much like ~ohwait~ railguns.

So why does the ship need the bonus again? Will you use cruises on the Naga if it does get the bonus?

I'm missing your point.