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Little Pest
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Posted - 2006.02.07 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: Little Pest on 07/02/2006 08:58:23
Hi all,
I had a char for one day where I had boosted memory and intelligence and I didn't like it at all. Training time was very long for ships and after I halfway figured out how attributes work, I made a new char. This one.
I have come to like it as training time for ships and guns is short but I would like to know if I overdone it all and how far it is sensible to train those learning skills.
My attributes are 4 intelligence, 4 memory, 6 charisma, 12 perception, 13 willpower (+1 to perception due to a skill I had from the start)
I know I'm kind a dumb but I have good eyes and I know telekinesis 
Edit: I'm currently training science in order to use an implant I got. I figure I should get implants early or do I get this wrong too?
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Cryselle
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Posted - 2006.02.07 09:50:00 -
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The 4 Intelligence will hurt you for your support skills - and the 4 Memory will hurt you in the learning dept.
Get, the implants in a.s.a.p.
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Ashdrake
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Posted - 2006.02.07 13:07:00 -
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only shipcommand/gunnery missle skills use perc/wp as combat main att . other support skills as eng/electronics/mechanic/navigation use int/mem IIRC.
you would not be able to switc proffesion, lets say u want to get a mining barje and go mining.
very very crap attributes
id suggest go
caldari/civire +2int/3perc the Scientist route +3int/1perc or somethin or whatever is called
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Little Pest
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Posted - 2006.02.07 14:17:00 -
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Rather die then mine
I wanted to be an all out fighter but I reckon I forgot about those support skills.
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o.0 I told my agent "I have taken care of the little pest ...."
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Helios Isikari
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Posted - 2006.02.07 19:33:00 -
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My attributes are actually pretty poor as when I created it I had played EVE once before for a week, but I figure its worked out ok now.
I started with;
Mem: 15
Intel: 9
Perc: 5
Will: 5
Char: 6
I've been playing three weeks, in another two i'll have the following stats because of learning skills (Included in this calc are +1 implants for Will/Perc/Char)
Mem: 23
Intel: 18
Perc: 15
Will: 15
ChaR: 11
If you factor in Learning Level 4 (8% bonus in training times, level five is just not worth it) I have a pretty decent character, will have the best electronics/engineering on my ships and I plan to be a shipbuilder or miner too. Only problem is the first five weeks of my characters life are absorbed by learning skills, but after that i'm solid.
~ Helios Isikari
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Little Pest
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Posted - 2006.02.08 14:38:00 -
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Implant will be plugged in soon and I have trained intel and mem at 6.
Should I go for the advanced learning skills in due time (pricey pricey) or are they not worth it?
I intend to go for PvP asap and not even waste a tought on the other aspects of EVE (building, mining ...)
I plan to plug in the best Intel and mem implants I can afford and train skills which need those attributes as long as I don't risk to get killed.
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o.0 I told my agent "I have taken care of the little pest ...."
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Vorant
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Posted - 2006.02.08 14:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Helios Isikari
My attributes are actually pretty poor as when I created it I had played EVE once before for a week, but I figure its worked out ok now.
I started with;
Mem: 15
Intel: 9
Perc: 5
Will: 5
Char: 6
I've been playing three weeks, in another two i'll have the following stats because of learning skills (Included in this calc are +1 implants for Will/Perc/Char)
Mem: 23
Intel: 18
Perc: 15
Will: 15
ChaR: 11
If you factor in Learning Level 4 (8% bonus in training times, level five is just not worth it) I have a pretty decent character, will have the best electronics/engineering on my ships and I plan to be a shipbuilder or miner too. Only problem is the first five weeks of my characters life are absorbed by learning skills, but after that i'm solid.
~ Helios Isikari
Hmm, a couple of issues here.
Learning, the skill, gives a 2% bonus to your attributes NOT training time as a whole. Also, you started with 14 Memory, not 15. Learning 5 is certainly worth it.
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Caliph Scorpionsting
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Posted - 2006.02.08 15:31:00 -
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I rerolled when I had like 3 mil sp so it really isn't that big a deal. If you don't mind losing some time then go for it, because those are some crappy attributes. Willpower is practically useless. I had a gallente guy with terrible memory and good per and cha and his training times are too long, at least I feel they are. I made a caldari with some more balanced stats and am getting his learning skills to 5 now. Don't waste your time getting implants and stuff because with attributes like that they won't really help too much. I'm not ripping on you because a lot of people have crazy attributes, but I'm warning you that training any kind of drones, electronics, engineering, learning, social, etc. type skills will be a pain and you will waste a lot of time in the long run especially with that 12 will power. |
Helios Isikari
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Posted - 2006.02.08 18:18:00 -
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Vorant
1) Your right, 14 starting mem, my bad
2) Dosen't an 8% bonus to training times equate to 8% better atributes, cause your attributes directly correlate to the training time?
3) Learning V is worth it, in the VERY long run. If you run AnnaJoy's spreadsheet or read other forum posts you'll see it takes many months to make up for training it, so in my opinion not worth it unless it becomes a prereq for an advanced learning skill.
BTW, Littlepest, check out this forum post,
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=291616
~ Helios
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M00dy
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:56:00 -
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Roll up a new char now!
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Marine HK4861
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Posted - 2006.02.09 00:08:00 -
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Quote:
If you factor in Learning Level 4 (8% bonus in training times, level five is just not worth it)
One point about learning - as mentioned, it gives a bonus per stat. All skills have a primary stat and a secondary one, so it gives about a 3% increase per level if you factor that in (2% on primary, 2%/2=1% on secondary for a overall 3%).
In addition, it affects every skill you learn. Learning 5 is definitely worth it. :)
The tier 2 learning skills up to 5, now that's a different question entirely...
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Little Pest
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Posted - 2006.02.09 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Little Pest on 09/02/2006 13:14:33
Originally by: Caliph Scorpionsting
Don't waste your time getting implants and stuff because with attributes like that they won't really help too much.
Oh? I thought that the lower your attributes are the more effect has the implant. Like +1 to a 5 would be a 20% increase and a +1 on a 10 only 10% (still 10 would be better then 5 but an implant would make more sense if you only have 5...?)
Or does on get a %age value from implants?
So willpower and memory are less usefull then perception and intelligence....?
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o.0 I told my agent "I have taken care of the little pest ...."
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I'm WithStupid
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Posted - 2006.02.11 05:45:00 -
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Edited by: I''m WithStupid on 11/02/2006 05:47:35
Edited by: I''m WithStupid on 11/02/2006 05:47:00
Originally by: Little Pest
So willpower and memory are less usefull then perception and intelligence....?
Genrally yes, but who am I to tell you if you rerolled at 3 mill SP. I only have 1.2m (1m in learning ATM, and only had mem 6) :)
It depends on your race/weapon focus too. Caldari benefit more from Int (EW, lots of medslots for good versatility). Gallente from Mem (drones). Others are somewhere in the mix. Drones are also nothing to scoff at (I hate them though) when it comes to added damage and utility.
It also depends where you wanna focus and where you see yourself down the road. You plan and see how namy perc and how many int skills you wanna focus on (skills past level 3). If you want to train 2 races for example, I assume that perc will be extremely important as you will need to train 2-3 weapon types and ship commands. So if you plan to be jack-of-all-ships-and-weapons perc is extremely important with willpower possibly surpassing int.
You could also get eve character manager... Put all skills you think you will train in the queue and mess with attributes while watching total training time.
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I'm WithStupid
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Posted - 2006.02.11 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: I''m WithStupid on 11/02/2006 06:00:18
Originally by: Marine HK4861
One point about learning - as mentioned, it gives a bonus per stat. All skills have a primary stat and a secondary one, so it gives about a 3% increase per level if you factor that in (2% on primary, 2%/2=1% on secondary for a overall 3%).
In addition, it affects every skill you learn. Learning 5 is definitely worth it. :)
Which means that if you train it to 5, and it takes 7 days to train it, it will pay off in (scoff) 233 ish days. Logic is likely more complicated but an approximation: x days/7days = 100%/3% ; x = 100/3 * 7. 100% is your 233 days of learning which you may have used in regular training at normal (100% rate) or 216 days at faster (97%) rate + the 7 needed days for learning L5. It has no advanced successor so it is really not easily justified.
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Mag's
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Posted - 2006.02.11 11:28:00 -
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Balance is the key tbh.
Mine are 23, 23, 18, 23, 26.
They have changed the atts of skills in the past, plus you never know what skills they are gonna introduce in the future.
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