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Malcum Blakhurst	Posted - 2006.02.08 03:53:00 - [1] Gotta say - what the hell ?????? Could someone please explain the logic behind these to me I've got to be missing something small which I don't understand cause I'm a nooblet boggle What kind of miner would get out there in a Battleship to mine Ice - which they couldn't cause you need ice miners (good luck getting them on your ship) - and sit around with the miners doing pretty much nothing just so they could get an ice mining bonus in their Mining barges? It doesn't make any sense to me that a Miner - getting the mining foreman/director skills would ever go out mining in a Battleship - if they had a barge?? How come these modules use so much more CPU and Power than a mining barge could ever possibly hope to have - surely the mining modules would be designed to work in conjunction with the mining barges??? I must be missing something - Anyone know what? Thanks a lot - Malcum
Malcum Blakhurst	Posted - 2006.02.08 03:53:00 - [2] Gotta say - what the hell ?????? Could someone please explain the logic behind these to me I've got to be missing something small which I don't understand cause I'm a nooblet boggle What kind of miner would get out there in a Battleship to mine Ice - which they couldn't cause you need ice miners (good luck getting them on your ship) - and sit around with the miners doing pretty much nothing just so they could get an ice mining bonus in their Mining barges? It doesn't make any sense to me that a Miner - getting the mining foreman/director skills would ever go out mining in a Battleship - if they had a barge?? How come these modules use so much more CPU and Power than a mining barge could ever possibly hope to have - surely the mining modules would be designed to work in conjunction with the mining barges??? I must be missing something - Anyone know what? Thanks a lot - Malcum
Drakhis	Posted - 2006.02.08 03:56:00 - [3] Because if your in an alliance or uber carebear corp some members need to make a sacrifice so you can make more $ The ability to perceive or think differently is more important than the knowledge gained.
Drakhis	Posted - 2006.02.08 03:56:00 - [4] Because if your in an alliance or uber carebear corp some members need to make a sacrifice so you can make more $ EVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Malcum Blakhurst	Posted - 2006.02.08 04:04:00 - [5] I'm the Mining Director of my corp atm. I have no other skills other than mining - simply havn't been playing long enough to get them - if I specialise in mining why can I not use all the things related to mining - why should I have to go and get a battleship (which by definition is into war) - so that I can mine better. I also can't convince other people in the corp to go and get skills they will only use once in a blue moon which is not even in the specialisation. I get the idea that we should be all interelated to pull off a successful ... well anything - but shouldn't it be that I need guards in 0.0 space not battleships with mining mods - to make an operation successful ? - Malcum
Tobius Moon	Posted - 2006.02.08 04:06:00 - [6] Ice Ores The Ice with better concentrations of isotopes, heavy water and liquid oxygen can be found in lower security systems. The lower the system, the tougher the belt rats. Sooner or later, the barge will need a guard dog - oh, like, a T2 Battlecruiser (or even just a regular battlecruiser). Both of which can mount guns and Foreman Link(s).
Drakhis	Posted - 2006.02.08 04:09:00 - [7] It's a Known fact that CCP already sends all the love to miners... an exhumer can rake in more minerals than any other ship in game out tank any BS and haul by itself.. whine some more train up to BS who cares youll walk it off youll eventually use it stop crying hell you dont even need a BS to use the damn modules get a fricking BC for christs sake its that simple kthxbye The ability to perceive or think differently is more important than the knowledge gained.
Malcum Blakhurst	Posted - 2006.02.08 04:16:00 - [8] Hey Drakhis - gan ** yerself Not training up to a BS or BC to use a link that defeats the purpose of getting out of my Covetor -soon to be Hulk - and into a BS/BC in the first place I couldn't give a ** if CCP changes it or not - I just want to know their reasoning. Don't change a thing - not gonna worry me ... not whining not wanting a change - just totally confused. Someone must know why a mining upgrade like the Mining links would be unable to be fitted to a Mining vessel - you don't see warfare links being fitted to haulers or Mining barges? Otherwise it looks like these modules will probably not be used all that often - making them kinda redundant? - Malcum
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.02.08 04:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Malcum Blakhurst I'm the Mining Director of my corp atm. I have no other skills other than mining - simply havn't been playing long enough to get them - if I specialise in mining why can I not use all the things related to mining - why should I have to go and get a battleship (which by definition is into war) - so that I can mine better. I also can't convince other people in the corp to go and get skills they will only use once in a blue moon which is not even in the specialisation. I get the idea that we should be all interelated to pull off a successful ... well anything - but shouldn't it be that I need guards in 0.0 space not battleships with mining mods - to make an operation successful ? - Malcum Battlecruiser. Not battleship. Your pilot only has to be in the same system for the bonus to take effect - for example my current Astarte setup for NPCing could easily sacrifice a turret for a warfare link I had the relevant specialist skill without a significant decrease in abilities. I could kill rats, while you mine ice. I could even say what I was doing over TS to keep you entertained! ("ooh, large remote armor repairer!") One last thing - if CCP didn't want battleships mining, mining barges would have been introduced day 1. As long as theres DCM2s, I'll be using battleships and battlecruisers to mine. They're more effective than a medium barge and not far away from a large.
Malcum Blakhurst	Posted - 2006.02.08 04:21:00 - [10] Fair point Hllaxiu, but surely with the introduction of the Exhumers we're headed in that direction ? Battlecruisers are going to end up being a fair way off them? Perhaps CCP will change them one day - I'll just assume they were there to make Battlecruisers viable options back in the beginning and are largely obsolete nowadays ?

j0sephine	Posted - 2006.02.08 04:42:00 - [11] Edited by: j0sephine on 08/02/2006 04:42:20 "Gotta say - what the hell ?????? Could someone please explain the logic behind these to me I've got to be missing something small which I don't understand cause I'm a nooblet boggle What kind of miner would get out there in a Battleship to mine Ice - which they couldn't cause you need ice miners (good luck getting them on your ship) - and sit around with the miners doing pretty much nothing just so they could get an ice mining bonus in their Mining barges?" Low security sectors tend to be filled with NPC spawns strong enough to pop a mining barge in couple shots. For mining in that kind of hostile environment, there's typically dedicated, heavy armoured 'tank' which attracts attention of these NPCs, and soaks the damage they deal thanks to high damage resistances and repair ability. It makes perfect sense for the 'mining foreman' to utilize a battlecruiser for exactly this kind of work -- they can tank very well, they can provide the gang mining bonus while doing so, and they have enough high slots to maybe even do some extra mining if the focus is on regular ore. In short, there is already need for at least one ship to "sit around with the miners doing pretty much nothing" ... if they can add extra mining bonus while doing so, then it's just icing on the cake.
Malcum Blakhurst	Posted - 2006.02.08 04:53:00 - [12] I suppose so - but wouldn't they be better off running one of the other warfare links to make everyones armour/shield etc better or something? NPC rats are one things - they are not all that difficult for a decent player with decent skills but if a PC rat turns up surely you'd want all the offense you could manage? Still seems kinds stupid to me not to be able to put these modules on mining ships - maybe CCP has just forgotten about it maybe this is the way they wanna keep it. I guess if you guys actually do things this way then its all good.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.02.08 05:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Malcum Blakhurst I suppose so - but wouldn't they be better off running one of the other warfare links to make everyones armour/shield etc better or something? NPC rats are one things - they are not all that difficult for a decent player with decent skills but if a PC rat turns up surely you'd want all the offense you could manage? A single Tempest or Megathron engaging from well beyond drone range can kill any hauler or mining barge before even hitting the align button. You can't defend barges/haulers/ospreys against even just one long range battleship. So, the most prudent course of action is to run.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.02.08 05:36:00 - [14] Edited by: j0sephine on 08/02/2006 05:37:10 "I suppose so - but wouldn't they be better off running one of the other warfare links to make everyones armour/shield etc better or something?" They can run both these things, and more. There's no limit to just single gang module, as long as one's skills are high enough. "Still seems kinds stupid to me not to be able to put these modules on mining ships - maybe CCP has just forgotten about it maybe this is the way they wanna keep it." I think this is the way they want to keep it -- barges are just that, barges; they mine and that's it. While it's battlecruisers that provide all sorts of boosts to gang members, so there's no logical reason to single mining links out here. (the gang boosts were primarily combat-focused in the beginning, but this has now changed) It would be odd limitation if there was no need for ships other than barges in the mining op, but since there actually is one, this kind of requirement isn't a big issue...
Rafein	Posted - 2006.02.08 06:41:00 - [15] Really, it's not that bad to take a BC, or even better, the tech 2 command BC's, out to mine as protection. Especially the command, as it would allow running of multiple modules, so when mining, you could run the ore and mining drone bonus at the same time Though for Ice mining, it is kinda pointless, but for normal mining, having a BC to babysit does not really hurt. All you need is 10 barges in the system, mining, to make up for the missing barge. Plus, miners will not nee drones for defence, so you get all the bages using Mining drones for more yield.
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2006.02.08 20:57:00 - [16] When i mine with 8-10 corp mates and boost all their yeilds by 10%.....that means when we pull in 100mil of ore we really make an extra 10 mil. That's like having another miner there. Sure to sit and boost 1 guy's yeild isn't that great. But just think....it affects all in gang, so for those huge mining ops for a corp you can add a goofy large amount to yield.


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