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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian Whats the HAC ratio? BOB has certainly lost more right? HAC's are more expensive, but who cares...
It is a running, and rather irritating, joke amongst those in BoB, that any alliance who lose more hacs than we do during a campaign REALLY, REALLY SUCK! Like, look at pretty much any campaign, since the killboard started, and the number of times we've killed more hacs than we've lost is quite low.
Statistics and context ftw.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:13:00 -
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Aquiesse Erus:
"Funny how BoB focus on BS kills yet they'v lost so many HAC's its not even funny."
i pay 40m for my hac, and you?
bob has nearly every hac bpo, and 5 hacs arent that hard to recover ;) - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Lowa
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lowa on 09/02/2006 21:16:48
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Trevedian Whats the HAC ratio? BOB has certainly lost more right? HAC's are more expensive, but who cares...
It is a running, and rather irritating, joke amongst those in BoB, that any alliance who lose more hacs than we do during a campaign REALLY, REALLY SUCK! Like, look at pretty much any campaign, since the killboard started, and the number of times we've killed more hacs than we've lost is quite low.
Statistics and context ftw.
I'm not touching the rest of this thread with a 10 foot pole but I will agree on this on the behalf of the MC. We loose "a lot" of HACs.
Reason: We fly them, the others dont.
Cheers, LOWA
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Chrony
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN
Originally by: Chrony
Originally by: ParMizaN Edited by: ParMizaN on 09/02/2006 20:37:43 Eep, wasps nest i guess.
Killboards are nothing trev mate :)
Although in saying that i would have thought SA would have been on its knees now.
(spelling edit)
Lets say it like this, SA like their NPC Stations?
Haha, nighmare scenario for BoB again.. i bet you guys are just loving it ...

You have no idea how irritating it is to jump into a system where the map shows 30 active people just to find out that they are all docked. -.-
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Top Hat
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa Edited by: Lowa on 09/02/2006 21:16:48
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Trevedian Whats the HAC ratio? BOB has certainly lost more right? HAC's are more expensive, but who cares...
It is a running, and rather irritating, joke amongst those in BoB, that any alliance who lose more hacs than we do during a campaign REALLY, REALLY SUCK! Like, look at pretty much any campaign, since the killboard started, and the number of times we've killed more hacs than we've lost is quite low.
Statistics and context ftw.
I'm not touching the rest of this thread with a 10 foot pole but I will agree on this on the behalf of the MC. We loose "a lot" of HACs.
Reason: We fly them, the others dont.
Cheers, LOWA
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
We can afford to fly and lose them because our industrial backing is so damn strong, we're probably the biggest carebear alliance there is 
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Gibmundur
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:33:00 -
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this thread seems to lack sa posts, so heres mine
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Li ShangYin
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa
I'm not touching the rest of this thread with a 10 foot pole but I will agree on this on the behalf of the MC. We loose "a lot" of HACs.
Reason: We fly them, the others dont.
Cheers, LOWA
I think you have a good point there, ship losses alone only show you a part of the picture, the other side of things is what is actually being flown. Whether one flies 5 HACs and looses 1 or flies 40 HACs and looses 3 will look different depending on how you look at things, with merely a killboard it may seem like loosing 3 would be a big deal. With certain people posting about HAC losses being more important over BS losses one will assume that to those people HACs represent primary targets and that HACs for them are more valuable tools than Bships for example.
As always killboards merely represent raw data, which neither is the complete set of data nor is it the only data one should work with. To get a complete picture one obviously needs the information gathered from within the alliances and their tactical and strategic decisionmaking, since that is what will lead to the raw data becoming what it is.
___________________________________ A spring day at the edge of the world. On the edge of the world once more the day slants. The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree.
-- Li Shang-yin, Exile, ninth century A.D. |

Wuubaa
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aquiesse Erus Funny how BoB focus on BS kills yet they'v lost so many HAC's its not even funny.
OH HI ANEU!! FANCY SEEING YOU HERE..
Not everyone buys HAC's for 180mil off the market btw 
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slip66
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: slip66 on 09/02/2006 21:56:29 ***** is bad mmmmkay?
edit: OMG you cant say ***** wtf!
<insert slang for ***** rocks> is bad mmmkay?
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i pay 40m for my hac, and you?

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slip66
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jebidus Skari
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i pay 40m for my hac, and you?


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dabster
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:57:00 -
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Aquiesse Erus:
"Funny how BoB focus on BS kills yet they'v lost so many HAC's its not even funny."
i pay 40m for my hac, and you?
bob has nearly every hac bpo, and 5 hacs arent that hard to recover ;)
40mil? Damn, BOB rip you off 
But yes, the MC is very similar in that we build a lot of HACs for ourselves and fly them nearly all the time, therefor, we lost a lot more of them. We very rarely take BS losses but very regularly take HAC losses.
TBH, a fairer comparison of damage done can be seen over time. For example, most MC pilots are in a tech2 fitted tech2 ship, or a tech2 fitted Battleships. From what ive seen of SA, they are mostly in tech1 cruisers (and frigs) and have quite poor equipment on their BS. This indicates to me that SA are rather lacking in the money making department and have obviously been in a prolonged period of war (2 months versus FIX etc)
The MC on the other hand has just come out of a carebear period (and usually has a nice restocking period between contracts) and is flying around in "expensive" ships with good equipment. To me, that is more indicative of damage done to an alliance
(did that all sound like crap or did i get my point across?)
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Aquiesse Erus:
"Funny how BoB focus on BS kills yet they'v lost so many HAC's its not even funny."
i pay 40m for my hac, and you?
bob has nearly every hac bpo, and 5 hacs arent that hard to recover ;)
40mil? Damn, BOB rip you off 
But yes, the MC is very similar in that we build a lot of HACs for ourselves and fly them nearly all the time, therefor, we lost a lot more of them. We very rarely take BS losses but very regularly take HAC losses.
TBH, a fairer comparison of damage done can be seen over time. For example, most MC pilots are in a tech2 fitted tech2 ship, or a tech2 fitted Battleships. From what ive seen of SA, they are mostly in tech1 cruisers (and frigs) and have quite poor equipment on their BS. This indicates to me that SA are rather lacking in the money making department and have obviously been in a prolonged period of war (2 months versus FIX etc)
The MC on the other hand has just come out of a carebear period (and usually has a nice restocking period between contracts) and is flying around in "expensive" ships with good equipment. To me, that is more indicative of damage done to an alliance
(did that all sound like crap or did i get my point across?)
well made point. tbh i dont understand corps that put low quality mods on their bs. If your not going to put the best mods on your ships whats the point in flying them into combat in the first place.??????????
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Aquiesse Erus:
"Funny how BoB focus on BS kills yet they'v lost so many HAC's its not even funny."
i pay 40m for my hac, and you?
bob has nearly every hac bpo, and 5 hacs arent that hard to recover ;)
We get ZealotsÖ cheap and we don't need to mine all day to get them like BOB.
But yeah, 40 mil is a steal, I just hope the rest of EVE doesn't resent ya for price gouging them...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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The Anointed
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Aquiesse Erus:
"Funny how BoB focus on BS kills yet they'v lost so many HAC's its not even funny."
i pay 40m for my hac, and you?
bob has nearly every hac bpo, and 5 hacs arent that hard to recover ;)
Can I join? Aliens do exist. They're just waiting for Chuck Norris to die before they attack. |

Elisca Black
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:18:00 -
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You can always tell when an alliance is going down hill...no need to check out equipment.
Stage 1...the blob (24/7) Stage 2...the lesser blob (usually timezone specific or same ppl) Stage 3...the silence (usually re-orginization of command/alliance structure) Stage 4...Crossroads...Stage 1 again or Stage 5. Stage 5...the "head in the sand"..(there are no infidels in bagdad!) Stage 6...the Hunt...Miners and npcers are hunted ruthlessly, 20seconds from jump to gank. Stage 7...the coup..moral blow Stage 8...gone fishin...the 10 ppl left in 0.0 space are coaxed anyway possible to undock/feel safe. This is the hardest and most gruesome part of it..fan bois are born. This is more grinding then anything for the aggressors. Stage 9...Mining...Nice region.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Aquiesse Erus:
"Funny how BoB focus on BS kills yet they'v lost so many HAC's its not even funny."
i pay 40m for my hac, and you?
bob has nearly every hac bpo, and 5 hacs arent that hard to recover ;)
We get ZealotsÖ cheap and we don't need to mine all day to get them like BOB.
But yeah, 40 mil is a steal, I just hope the rest of EVE doesn't resent ya for price gouging them...
you seem like an angry little man. bob mine alot cos they build carriers dreads and one day titans STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |

The Anointed
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Elisca Black You can always tell when an alliance is going down hill...no need to check out equipment.
Stage 1...the blob (24/7) Stage 2...the lesser blob (usually timezone specific or same ppl) Stage 3...the silence (usually re-orginization of command/alliance structure) Stage 4...Crossroads...Stage 1 again or Stage 5. Stage 5...the "head in the sand"..(there are no infidels in bagdad!) Stage 6...the Hunt...Miners and npcers are hunted ruthlessly, 20seconds from jump to gank. Stage 7...the coup..moral blow Stage 8...gone fishin...the 10 ppl left in 0.0 space are coaxed anyway possible to undock/feel safe. This is the hardest and most gruesome part of it..fan bois are born. This is more grinding then anything for the aggressors. Stage 9...Mining...Nice region.
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Top Hat
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Aquiesse Erus:
"Funny how BoB focus on BS kills yet they'v lost so many HAC's its not even funny."
i pay 40m for my hac, and you?
bob has nearly every hac bpo, and 5 hacs arent that hard to recover ;)
We get ZealotsÖ cheap and we don't need to mine all day to get them like BOB.
But yeah, 40 mil is a steal, I just hope the rest of EVE doesn't resent ya for price gouging them...
Er, whaaaaat? You make-a no sense-a
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Kryztal
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:38:00 -
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Im sorry but i really dont feel like running around empire looking for SA under every rock i find. Ive got better things to do and comon SA you start something like this how about you come and see it through ? We had other plans and we arent gonna change them for someone as insignificant as SA.
Your time will come.
Kryz
Black Nova Corp
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Whiskey Leech
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:39:00 -
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Since this thread has gone off-topic anyway, regarding HAC, and whatever items price. The loss is still the same, no matter if you make the item youreself.
You always have to consider the alternative, the most obviously in this case should be to sell it for going market rate.
So you cant write it off as a no-loss just because you only paid 40M, the alliance/corp as a whole loses the rest, one way or another.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/02/2006 22:46:29
Originally by: Whiskey Leech Since this thread has gone off-topic anyway, regarding HAC, and whatever items price. The loss is still the same, no matter if you make the item youreself.
You always have to consider the alternative, the most obviously in this case should be to sell it for going market rate.
So you cant write it off as a no-loss just because you only paid 40M, the alliance/corp as a whole loses the rest, one way or another.
We're not writing it off as a no-loss, we're saying we don't give 2 hoots about losing 5 hacs and 8 BS when we kill 24 bs and 1 hac and that those numbers are completely and utterly insignificant to us and, no doubt, SA.
But more importantly, we spent one weekend ****ing about in SA space, now we're doing something else, soon we will be doing something other than that, then maybe we'll take a visit to stain and live there.
At that point, people should start looking at whether SA are kicking our ass.
But let me make a wild, completely out there prediction. SA aren't kicking our asses now and when we pull the full force of BoB on top of them, they won't kick our asses then either.
dbp
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Elisca Black
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:50:00 -
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I dunno dbp...stain is pretty scary...like the wine stain on my carpet that is never gonna come out... sniff sniff my security deposit.
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Whiskey Leech
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/02/2006 22:46:29
Originally by: Whiskey Leech Since this thread has gone off-topic anyway, regarding HAC, and whatever items price. The loss is still the same, no matter if you make the item youreself.
You always have to consider the alternative, the most obviously in this case should be to sell it for going market rate.
So you cant write it off as a no-loss just because you only paid 40M, the alliance/corp as a whole loses the rest, one way or another.
We're not writing it off as a no-loss, we're saying we don't give 2 hoots about losing 5 hacs and 8 BS when we kill 24 bs and 1 hac and that those numbers are completely and utterly insignificant to us and, no doubt, SA.
Well, someone did, (not talking to any specific group, and cant be arsed to check back) or the debate of what people pay for 'em would not come up.
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joint man
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Posted - 2006.02.09 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii you seem like an angry little man. bob mine alot cos they build carriers dreads and one day titans
Hmm.. your sig should be:
STAN
CEDO MAIORI
bob brown nose

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darth solo
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Posted - 2006.02.09 23:10:00 -
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BOB are my enemy, but one thing ill say for them is that they always fight and can be wreckless with ships, in my experience stabs are rare with them .... im starting to realise how important it is having an enemy like that in my current campaign:(.
U will lose alot of ships in eve if u have a desire to fight..
d solo.
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reaTh
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Posted - 2006.02.09 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: joint man
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii you seem like an angry little man. bob mine alot cos they build carriers dreads and one day titans
Hmm.. your sig should be:
STAN
CEDO MAIORI
bob brown nose

wts clue atuk are bob but i guess teh average 2 day alt dont know that ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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joint man
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Posted - 2006.02.09 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: reaTh
Originally by: joint man
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii you seem like an angry little man. bob mine alot cos they build carriers dreads and one day titans
Hmm.. your sig should be:
STAN
CEDO MAIORI
bob brown nose

wts clue atuk are bob but i guess teh average 2 day alt dont know that
wts clue right back at ya:
The Five [.5.] Established on 2005.07.03 by BizzMan Executor Corporation: Arcane Technologies
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.02.09 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 09/02/2006 23:24:01 5 in game alliance/ but also bob
bob is not just an in game alliance, its a club thats very exclusive.
:P you have to wear a tie and everything when your at the computer STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
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