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Hardin	Posted - 2006.02.10 08:22:00 - [1] It has come to my attention that certain parties are making serious threats against my old corporation PIE. These parties seem to think it would be good to idea to do th Minmatars work for them and declare on one of the few consistently & passionately pro-Empire corporations in the universe. These so-called loyalists seem to be putting old grudges, jealousies and hates ahead of logic and seem to want to start and Amarr vs Amarr war out of need for vengeance for some perceived insult. I can only assume that their acceptance of non-Amarrians has POLLUTED their thinking. The fact is that Tetrimon is a heretical cult which until VERY recently (in the context of our huge and glorious history) was KOS to the Empire and loyal Amarrians. Since Tetrimon were given a TEMPORARY respite so that there scriptures could be investigated PIE adopted a 'wait-and-see' policy. It is very possible that Tetrimon will once again be declared heretics - in which case the DUTY of PIE and ALL loyal Amarians will be to persecute them and their followers. It is also possible that Tetrimon will be accepted as orthodoxy in which case PIE's position and that of loyal Amarrians will be to accept that judgement. PIE has adopted a totally sensible and acceptable 'wait & see' policy which others would be wise to adopt. Yet it seems some parties cannot wait and would provoke Amarr vs Amarr bloodshed depsite PIE's passive stance on this issue. It seems that some would take the comments of an individual and use it as a pretext to shoot other Amarrians despite these comments clearly being made on an individual basis... Well let me say this: IF war is declared against PIE by Amarrian traitors and heretics I will do my absolute utmost to ensure that they are completely and utterly crushed. I am also aware that many other former PIE in positions of influence across the universe feel the same way. Countless other loyalists have also pledged support should Amarrian traitors attack one of the Empire's most redoubtable pillars... So my advice to any who may be considering it is to think wisely before you start a civil war... You may get a LOT more than you bargained for...
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2006.02.10 09:14:00 - [2] Originally by: Hardin Well let me say this: IF war is declared against PIE by Amarrian traitors and heretics I will do my absolute utmost to ensure that they are completely and utterly crushed. I am also aware that many other former PIE in positions of influence across the universe feel the same way. Countless other loyalists have also pledged support should Amarrian traitors attack one of the Empire's most redoubtable pillars... So my advice to any who may be considering it is to think wisely before you start a civil war... You may get a LOT more than you bargained for... I pledge my support to Hardins statement. Even in my self imposed exile news reaches my ears, and the intel I have been presented lately is worrying indeed. A war declaration on PIE by traitorous elements will force my hand. Albeit prematurely, I will see to your destruction by my own hands. I will crush you like a bug. ----------------------------------------------
Dantax	Posted - 2006.02.10 09:25:00 - [3] Gentlemen, it is music to my ears to hear Amarr against Amarr, lets hope you wipe eachother out and make my life just that little bit easier. Great sig, just it's over 24000kbs :) - Cortes Edit: Was over 24000kbs ;) - Dan
Soratah	Posted - 2006.02.10 10:06:00 - [4] Very interesting. I for one would like to know where this intelligence comes from? Considering that all dealing with the Tetrimon members they've advised nothing but peace and restraint upon dealing with their return to Amarr space. Two, it was PIE's attitude and theological arguements on IGS that sparked the ire in Tetrimon supporters. Either through silently condoning the uncouth ravings of one of their Commodore's personal opinion. Not to mention the highly debatable and deeply controversial postings from pilots such as Gav about the whole nature of Tetrimon's orthodoxy seemed to do nothing but try to justify PIE's opposition to Tetrimon's return. As it were Tetrimon supporters everywhere were jubilant and the Theology council's news. Yet it was felt, rather than share in their joy and expecations must find it necessary to cast them down "courting heresy" and criticise them. Finally, Who speaks of war? There has been no official stance released from ANY Tetrimon supporter about engaging in conflict. Now we see postings like this from FORMER PIE members. Let me assure you that this kind of commentry does nothing but burn political bridges as well as damage any attempts at diplomatically resolving this issue. However I do have an ultimatum, we MUST resolve this issue through diplomatic channels. All parties must arrange talks before this escalates further and our respective military commanders start drawing up pre-emptive strike plans..
Hardin	Posted - 2006.02.10 10:23:00 - [5] Edited by: Hardin on 10/02/2006 10:26:09 Originally by: Soratah ...it was PIE's attitude and theological arguements on IGS that sparked the ire in Tetrimon supporters... And this is enough to start an Amarr vs Amarr war is it? Originally by: Soratah However I do have an ultimatum, we MUST resolve this issue through diplomatic channels. All parties must arrange talks before this escalates further and our respective military commanders start drawing up pre-emptive strike plans.. Yes I agree with you here. I can assure you PIE and its friends have never had any plans for starting a pre-emptive war against any Amarr - including heretics - despite many historical provocations. I was simply letting it be known where I (and many others) will stand if such a war is FORCED on PIE! PIE's CEO Gaven Lokri offered an olive branch elsewhere on IGS it would be wise if this olive branch was accepted...
Majaraw Awalabas	Posted - 2006.02.10 10:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Soratah but try to justify PIE's opposition to Tetrimon's return. As it were Tetrimon supporters everywhere were jubilant and the Theology council's news. As PIE was the leading corporation handling the safe transferral of the Tetrimon documents, in co-operation with other Amarr loyalists, it can hardly be said it did its worst to hinder the truth coming out. The Imperial order before the documents were transferred was that Tetrimon were heretics, PIE as always enforces Imperial orders. Once the order was given to assist in the investigation of the Tetrimon documents PIE was there at the front of the line. During the long period of time that has lapsed since then it were PIE members who frequently asked for this matter to be resolved. If PIE had a grudge against Tetrimon based on anything else than Imperial orders, would the documents have made it safely to the Empire? Would Tetrimon supporters be able to be jubilant? No. The safety of the Empire and the Truth are the beacons which guides PIE's path. Living in our shadow and yelling that the bright light of justice burns your eyes and should be toned down is the act of an unworthy servant to the Empire.
Dak Hakin	Posted - 2006.02.10 11:01:00 - [7] It does my heart good to hear of this. _______________________________________________ Proudly serving Electus Matari Mr. Grumpy-sour-pus
Archbishop	Posted - 2006.02.10 12:29:00 - [8] Quote: "Two, it was PIE's attitude and theological arguements on IGS that sparked the ire in Tetrimon supporters." Sorath here is the error some are making. It was not "PIE's attitude" on IGS but the words of one citizen clearly speaking as an independent voice that are being objected to. And for those comments our CEO has already apologized to the person they were directed at. As a corporation PIE has REPEATEDLY stated we have a wait and see attitude. As some seek to present those negative words as "PIE's attitude" do you not think it wise to listen to Directors of PIE who are in the Admiralty versus someone who is not? Yes the person who said these things is NOT a Director of PIE. She is a senior officer and that is all. So attempts to portray this as a corporate attitude fall on their face in this argument. It was the words of one person, clearly stated as INDIVIDUAL views not representign the corporation (see chatlogs) that have gotten some so upset. And clearly past jealousy and attitude are playing a part in this. I would suggest given our stated position of "wait and see" and our obvious neutrality in the matter that we have the best interest of Amarr at heart and nothing more. We shall not use the Tetrimon for some "agenda" as some who promote conflict seemingly would. We serve God and Empire and that is ALL we do. Archbishop Vice-Admiral / Director PIE Corporation VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2006.02.10 12:40:00 - [9] The Cosmopolite nods to himself and chuckles... Jericho Fraction
Arderich	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:56:00 - [10] Edited by: Arderich on 10/02/2006 13:57:22 Should it come to a civil war and the brotherhood must choose a side then the only option for the Bruderschaft as always will be to ally with amarr only corporations. I remember the support from PIE during the transport of the Tetrimon scriptures and I appreciate their 'wait-and-see' policy. So far Tetrimon gave us great hope that the Amarr Empire would change into something better but... should Tetrimon stand for increased power of foreigners inside the Amarr Empire and should Tetrimon followers start to shoot Amarrians then the brotherhood will fight Tetrimon. So far I thing the greatest threat to Tetrimon are their self proclaimed followers (there are exceptions like Manu Dei).
Hardin	Posted - 2006.02.10 14:21:00 - [11] Edited by: Hardin on 10/02/2006 14:22:57 Originally by: Arderich So far I thing the greatest threat to Tetrimon are their self proclaimed followers (there are exceptions like Manu Dei). You speak with great wisdom. PIE do not want a war over this. I believe Tetrimon and the VAST majority of their followers do not want a war over this at least until the situation is clarified. I believe that Tetrimon leaders have even instructed their followers to 'wait' Nevertheless there are a number of fundamentalists (or should I say idiots) who seem to want to start a war - whether this is really about Tetrimon or some older 'issue' we shall have to see. Hopefully they will see wisdom - once again displaying why it is the Amarr who are god's chosen - leaving egg on the faces of those Amarrian enemies who have chosen to smirk at these developments
Calderio	Posted - 2006.02.10 14:39:00 - [12] Edited by: Calderio on 10/02/2006 14:40:56 It is a shame that loyalty to the empire does not always come first. Those who let old grudges and jealousies cloud there judgment do no deserve the Amarrian blood that God has allowed to flow threw there viens. I may be a simple Civire and not of devine blood, but things such as loyalty mean something to me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RIP Kevin Wessel, Age 20, Departed April 19 2005, Baghdad
Felinn	Posted - 2006.02.10 15:03:00 - [13] Let me preface my comments, fellow Amarrians, with a disclaimer. The corporation I am currently a member of is in no way represented by either myself or my comments. Indeed, most of them are not even Amarrian in origin. (Though I assure you this was not a concious act on my behalf, more of an act of necessity since there are no Amarrian corporations that were willing to hire an unknown such as myself.) That said, Amarr versus Amarr conflicts is something we should all strive to avoid. With the pressing concerns from the Minmatars and thier continous expansion of powers and influence with the other races and the ever present threat from within with our minmatar slaves that still remain, we must strive to settle internal conflicts of this nature as sociably as possible. For the moment, Tetrimon is, as Hardin put it, experience a brief respite from thier satus as heretics. As such, they should be allowed to go on with thier business in peace. Personally, I too feel that Tetrimon is a group of intermingling heretics that are bent on undermining our long standing traditions and ways of thinking with foriegn influence. While I agree that foreigners such as the Caldari and Gallente are civilized and worthy partners in business and exploration, they are hardly worthy of being injected into our ways of life and allowing them to corrupt our empire. As said before though, these are my personal views on the matter. That said, we should all adopt a wait and see attitude...with the emphasis on see. While these Terimon cannot and should not be touched until an official declaration is made by the empire, we should nevertheless still keep a watchful eye on them and thier activities. We should be watchful for any evidence which can concretely brand them as the heretics they are. Excuse me, I apologize for letting my passions get away with me. ----------------------------------------- I love the smell of goop in the morning!
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.02.10 15:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Hardin I was simply letting it be known where I (and many others) will stand if such a war is FORCED on PIE! yawn
Unuthiel	Posted - 2006.02.10 16:12:00 - [15] I may think PIE is erring a bit on the side of skepticism, but I have never had any doubt whatsoever that they have the best interests of the Empire, and the Amarrian people, in mind.
Gaven Lok'ri	Posted - 2006.02.10 16:31:00 - [16] Thank you Hardin. I sincerely believe, however, that any such support will be unncessary. I will not believe that any amarran cares so little for their soul as to attempt to spark a civil war willfully until I see such a travesty with my own eyes. God is with us.
Tharrn	Posted - 2006.02.10 17:26:00 - [17] Should assistance be requested or required by PIE the 1st Praetorian Guard would naturally answer the call as an ally and member of the Purity Coalition. I think it is clear that an aggressor would have nothing to win and much to loose. Face being the least problem. Now recruiting!
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.02.10 21:19:00 - [18] Amarr gods be damned, this must be the first time I finish reading GalNet in a cheerful mood instead of worried or angry or both. :) -- Peace in a pod
Golan Trevize	Posted - 2006.02.11 05:39:00 - [19] From:M-C Hydra Archon Class. Location:Saminer/Traumark Constalation. Commanding Officer:ADM-RET Golan Trevize. *COMMS UNIT FADES TO A TALL BLACK CLAD MAN SITTING BEHIND A HEAVYLY ORNAMENTED DESK , HE TAKES A SIP OF FINE BRANDY AND STARTS TO SPEAK* Well well it seems like the rats are out from the closet again , i can only speculate on who it might be with my limited knowledge of Amarr affairs. *THE RETIRED ADMIRAL SMILES A SINISTER SMILE AND ADJUST THE CROSS OF THE SACRED THRONE ORDER HANGING FROM HIS NECK AS HE HAS A HABIT OF DOING WHEN MAKING A POINT* While i am not currently a employee of PIE let there be no doubt, should hostilities commence, then i am just a EVE-MAIL away, these foolish amateurs have clearly watched to many holoreels and should they decide to act upon their foolish threats then i shall be happy to drown them in rivers of their own blood. This is a statement of my own and has nothing to do with the M-C , however a few fellow mercenaries of Amarr descent might decide to give me a hand as we are currently off contract and can tend to matters of our own. Oh one last thing , to my old friend Hardin , associating with NON Amarr has certainly not "polluted" my way of thinking *GRINS* *TRANSMISSION ENDS* The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
Lygos	Posted - 2006.02.11 06:27:00 - [20] Seems a bit absurd that PIE claims to represent Orthodoxy and the supremacy of the Emperorship over the Council, yet betray the teachings of the Pax Amarria. Many of their members would seek to establish institutions which would insensibly bar all persons ancestrally tied to those who emerged from communities outside those with documented heridity from the Amarr homeworlds, perhaps even the original cities, from fully participating in the Ecumene. While it is sensible to favor the virues endemic of a proper upbringing, this fetish of the blood goes quite beyond all sensibility. While it is not uncommon for military organizations to be lenient on some superstitions, this open "tribalism" is anathema to civilized communities. Placing concerns of the flesh above concerns of the mind is an injustice no follower of the Good can abide quietly. I suspect this new heterodoxy is an infection from barbaric customs which filter through the merchant classes who seek to reflect everything they encounter. As far as I or any other outsider can tell, both the Tetrimon faction and openly "Sanguinist" paramilitaries are both Heterodox groups that are a danger to the Civitas. Eunoia: The persistent suspicion that the universe is secretly conspiring to quietly improve one's life.
Archbishop	Posted - 2006.02.11 06:33:00 - [21] Quote: "Seems a bit absurd that PIE claims to represent Orthodoxy and the supremacy of the Emperorship over the Council, yet betray the teachings of the Pax Amarria." PIE supports the Empire and the lawful government of Amarr. That government and the Theology Council is by default the Orthodoxy. Perhaps some day the new scriptures will also be Orthodox. Until that time we remain as always dedicated to serving God and Empire first and foremost. You claim we betray the Pax Amarria teachings yet offer no evidence of such. Have you anything of substance to contribute to this discussion? It serves you no good to try and make a mountain from a molehill. Likewise trying to make something simple like the current government being Orthdox into some grand confusing thing. Its actually very simple. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Pulgor	Posted - 2006.02.11 07:35:00 - [22] Hmph. You know, there are times when the decision to abandon Amarr is even more right then it was when I made it. At this you'll be infighting in no time. And you've already got the Republic Justice Department investigating disasters in Amarr Space, not sure why the breach of policy there but I must wonder if it's due to this or something else. Some friendly advice from an old friend: Get back to imperial policy and away from personal issues and you'll be on the right track. Otherwise wave to Khaldorn for me as he starts lighting up pyers while you're all infighting. ----------------------------------- -----------------------------------
Luigi Thirty	Posted - 2006.02.11 18:25:00 - [23] If Amarrians are shooting Amarrians, you should obviously blame the Amarrians.
Darth Revanant	Posted - 2006.02.12 01:43:00 - [24] I highly advise the aggressors to consider the good of the Empire over their own motives. You cannot and will not possibly eradicate PIE or its allies. Your war would do nothing but increase hostilities between you and PIE (and by extension all paramilitaries loyal to the Empire), and weaken all who fight for the Empire. I hope there are enough level heads amongst you, like Soratah, to resolve the issues between you and PIE, or at minimum come to a point where aggression is not pursued. PIE seems to want nothing to do with attacking other amarrians and is, as always, following Imperial policy in their actions. I offer any and all assistance to both sides of this conflict to help avoid hostilities. _______________
Aran Cole	Posted - 2006.02.12 03:33:00 - [25] Edited by: Aran Cole on 12/02/2006 03:36:04 Originally by: Darth Revanant I highly advise the aggressors to consider the good of the Empire over their own motives. You cannot and will not possibly eradicate PIE or its allies. Your war would do nothing but increase hostilities between you and PIE (and by extension all paramilitaries loyal to the Empire), and weaken all who fight for the Empire. I hope there are enough level heads amongst you, like Soratah, to resolve the issues between you and PIE, or at minimum come to a point where aggression is not pursued. PIE seems to want nothing to do with attacking other amarrians and is, as always, following Imperial policy in their actions. I offer any and all assistance to both sides of this conflict to help avoid hostilities. Just to clear things up, it's not Aegis Militia to whom you should be directing this to. We haven't declared war on PIE or CVA and don't have any plans to. EDIT: I realize that AM might have been suspect in this because of Soratah's post. But I can assure you, and PIE can confirm, that it's not the Militia who are the ones referred to in the original post. _______________________
Archbishop	Posted - 2006.02.12 05:43:00 - [26] Quote: "Just to clear things up, it's not Aegis Militia to whom you should be directing this to. We haven't declared war on PIE or CVA and don't have any plans to. EDIT: I realize that AM might have been suspect in this because of Soratah's post. But I can assure you, and PIE can confirm, that it's not the Militia who are the ones referred to in the original post." This is true. It wasn't AM who was voting for an unjustified war with PIE over this situation. The issue has been resolved and peace has returned. To the enemies of Amarr who worked in secret to encourage distrust and animosity have been defeated. Despite the differences in faith and what direction Amarr should take from various parties we all hold the best interests of Amarr as primary in our hearts. You how have attempted in secret to foster civil war have failed miserably! Amarr is strong, God is strong, as the chosen Empire of God our mission is clear. We stand together dedicated to the improvement of our Empire and the advancement of the word of God to all the lessor beings in the universe. While our methods and philosophy may differ on some issues rest assured our number one objective is AMARR and nothing else. Hail Amarr! Amarr Victor! Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Eojek	Posted - 2006.02.14 05:16:00 - [27] The Amar Empire is fading. The last emperor was just that; the last. For this, you can thank his so-called council. They've been lusting after his ill gotten throne for eons, and they murdered him to do it. The Amar Empire is waning, what are you going to do to save it. What are you going to do to keep it from eating itself, and dying from indigestion? New life, and a greater purpose is needed; one where we need not waste our energies and might by dallying with slaves and the unrighteous. The path to true divine purpose is by and through our own hands, rather than by hands of the unwilling. Would you let it die in a pool of golden vomit, or rise above and through the heavens, to truly shine so brightly as to make even the stars appear as faded and dark. Let go my brothers and sisters and leave the slaves to wallow on their own, let us take our lives into our own hands and pull ourselves far and above what others cannot even fathom. Change is at hand, would you die in darkness, or stride forward to glorious destiny.
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.02.14 05:24:00 - [28] Although I am not Amarrian by any measure, Eojek, your words of defeatism are sickening even to me. ----- All for the Good of Many Caldari Navy
Galtra Vorhlon	Posted - 2006.02.16 07:00:00 - [29] Amarrs killing Amarrs who is to blame? Well for a short answer, Amarrs are to blame. DUH!
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2006.02.16 11:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Galtra Vorhlon Amarrs killing Amarrs who is to blame? Well for a short answer, Amarrs are to blame. DUH! Get a haircut. ----------------------------------------------

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