You want to use the biggest warmongers on the planet as 'typical'?

PvP Sandbox or Hello Kitty Island IS the false dilemma. You can't just reword a false dilemma, proclaim it to not be what it obviously is, and win.



Just because you lack vision doesn't mean there's nothing there to see. High sec safety has, as you've pointed out, already been buffed many times without breaking the game. That's a fact. The theory that one more move in that direction would be the straw that breaks the camel's back is nothing but amateur-hour conjecture and alarmist bullshit.

Wassup with that formatting bro? 80 column monitor?

What you've posted above is called the slippery slope fallacy. You are implying that unless we stop making changes with the goal of retaining new players the game will be ruined. As you presented no evidence to back up your assertion, it's a logical fallacy.

Then you launch into an ad hominem accusation that I am selfish, which makes no sense at all. Quite the opposite is true. I care about the game. I want to see it thrive, and I want to see new players stay after they try it out. New blood is good for the game. If I was selfish, I wouldn't care. Maybe you're the one who is selfish. You and those like you seem to care more about ganking noobs before they have a chance to learn a thing than you do about the future health of the game. The health of any MMO requires new players to try it and STAY instead of leaving after a week.

CCP has made a lot of changes, some good and some bad. Stating CCP has made some changes does not support or give validity to the idea of changing a fundamental part of the game.

Not only that, no one has shown proof that you have large numbers of player leaving the game.

All that has been brought forward is a bunch of "I knew this one guy who had a friend that watched his cousin rage quit because someone ganked his buddies ship...and it was just not fair."

This entire thread has been is a big social agenda sandy va jay jay rant.

Mindless and pointless fail...yes indeed mate...yes indeed.

And how to bring back REAL WAR back again: this can be done quite easily by making the fights in low-sec + 0-sec 'limited engagements', meaning for instance: 1 ship entering low-sec can be attacked by 2 ships as a max. Or a fleet of 2 entering low-sec can be attacked by 4 ships as a max (still leaving the gangs a considerable edge).

A well written, thought out post, with nice layout.

war doesn't make me leave. boredom makes me leave. I'm at the point right now where I can fly all sub-cap ships. The only way for me to go up is to jump into caps. and caps bore me to death.

actually all of eve bores me. I love pve more than pvp and being forced into pvp by literally everything isn't any fun.

I like the idea of eve, but not the execution.

PvE player wonders why he is bored...

Point me where I said he has to play it in my way...please do.

I said, if you find the game boring, it's your own damn fault and you are playiing the game wrong.
As you can change how you play it and it will stop being boring.

I don't like mining, so if I start mining every day, it will be boring...I'm playing the game wrong, as I'm doing something I don't like.

If you are playing the game in the way YOU like to play it, it should not be boring to play the game.