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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.01 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 01/09/2003 08:30:47
Messing around with weapons and dropping your friends shields to 1/2 while blockading, not a good idea.
Having two Apocolypses warp in you while you do it, scary.
Having your corp mate have to jump out since his shields are jacked, fustrating.
Having enough balls to attack them alone, gutsy.
Owning them both at once and then having your friend warp back in, awesome.
Forgetting to warp jam them and watching them run away, priceless.
I am the kings of stupids tonight.
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Daan
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Posted - 2003.09.01 08:39:00 -
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d'0h 
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Roba
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Posted - 2003.09.01 08:50:00 -
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Classic
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PsyBlade
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:05:00 -
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I think those 2 apocs are having a glass of champagne now 
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:08:00 -
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I think those 2 apocs are having a glass of champagne now
They warped and logged midwarp to avoid being owned at a station or planet. I hope I'm around when they log back in, we have unfinished business.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: darth solo on 01/09/2003 10:44:41
Good show Jim.
Cant believe the 2 BS players couldnt take you down.
This type of thing will happen alot over the next few months, all the miners will be getting a BS and having "just" enough skills to fly them will be a dangerous game.
Just because you can fly a battleship doesnt mean you should:).
Just looked at your screenies Jim, omg, what were they hitting you with?? harsh language??.
You have lost like 15%shields and they are hitting you for crap damage. Just goes to show.
The scorp is a good ship though:).
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scam artist
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:55:00 -
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these boards need a search engine |
Jean
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:59:00 -
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He has fitted three shield hardeners. Who knows two of them are V-M15's. That would give him 80% damage resistance to all damage types. The other one could be a Em-ward or Thermal resistance thingie.
If his opponents don't have those kind of shield hardeners it's no wonder they get owned. 
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Carbon
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Posted - 2003.09.01 11:10:00 -
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I hope this shows the imbalance of battleships due to the Scropions' insane med. slot count. What good are 8 turrets if a crappy lv 1 battleship can just harden itself into a rock and take more damage than you, even if you fit hardeners as well? Needs to be fixed, imho.. but I bet all the pirates would whine.
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.09.01 11:11:00 -
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"Just because you can fly a battleship doesnt mean you should:)"
Whatever...
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Generic Player
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Posted - 2003.09.01 15:28:00 -
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definately impressed. |
Magallen
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Posted - 2003.09.01 15:45:00 -
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Definately impressed... NOT! Jim must think him self super man or uber 1337. He was flying that cheating so called Scorpion ship. I hope this shuts up all them tards that where arguing against me and stacking of the shield hardeners.
2 Tier 2 pure combat ships couldn't hurt a Tier 1 EW ship that wasn't even built for fire fights and cost 1/2 as much to make one... bull****. I have one word... UNBALANCED!
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Valeria
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Posted - 2003.09.01 15:48:00 -
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I hope this shows the imbalance of battleships due to the Scropions' insane med. slot count. What good are 8 turrets if a crappy lv 1 battleship can just harden itself into a rock and take more damage than you, even if you fit hardeners as well? Needs to be fixed, imho.. but I bet all the pirates would whine.
Which Battleship can not fit 3 shield hardeners? An Apocalypse can, while at the same time deal atleast 3-4 times more damage.
Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage. |
Lliad
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Posted - 2003.09.01 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lliad on 01/09/2003 15:58:05
I would call it to nOOb miners who just got battleships and can't use them right.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.01 16:10:00 -
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I hope this shows the imbalance of battleships due to the Scropions' insane med. slot count. What good are 8 turrets if a crappy lv 1 battleship can just harden itself into a rock and take more damage than you, even if you fit hardeners as well? Needs to be fixed, imho.. but I bet all the pirates would whine.
It may make itself hard as nails but the Scorpion is quite limited when it comes to dealing out damage.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Ziggy Startrail
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Posted - 2003.09.01 16:41:00 -
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He has fitted three shield hardeners. Who knows two of them are V-M15's. That would give him 80% damage resistance to all damage types. The other one could be a Em-ward or Thermal resistance thingie.
Actually this is a common error.
Stacking two items worth 40% protecion will not yield an 80% protection, plz let me elaborate:
A single V15 has 40% protection and thus 60%
"non-protection". To find out how much protection two items stacked provide you multiply the "non-protection" together to acquire the total "non-protection".
So 0.6 * 0.6 = 0.36!
Thus two V15 braced multispectrals add 64% protection.
Save the whales, feed the hungry, FREE THE MALLOCS. |
cold lazarus
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Posted - 2003.09.01 16:47:00 -
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"Just because you can fly a battleship doesnt mean you should:)"
Whatever...
wow Dwarf constructive... The guys got a point next few weeks the board will be full of people whining about how they lost their bs in a roid feild to 3x10 k npc's then its gona be "nerf the npc's i cant shoot them from 5k make it so they stay within my opt range"  because they have gone from shooting roids to a bs... no combat in the cruiser they have been mining in it with experianced fighters guarding them.
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Liscia Thierese
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Posted - 2003.09.01 18:48:00 -
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Definately impressed... NOT! Jim must think him self super man or uber 1337. He was flying that cheating so called Scorpion ship. I hope this shuts up all them tards that where arguing against me and stacking of the shield hardeners.
2 Tier 2 pure combat ships couldn't hurt a Tier 1 EW ship that wasn't even built for fire fights and cost 1/2 as much to make one... bull****. I have one word... UNBALANCED!
You're right. It is 'unbalanced'. People have varying degrees of intellect and experience, and as others have been at pains to point out, the purchase of a battleship does not confer 'badass' status. The reason why the Scorpion appears 'imbalanced' is because:
1. Jim Raynor has the necessary skills, ship configuration and experience to make the Scorpion a lethal machine. In my grubby mitts, the Scorpion would more resemble a recycled Ibis :P
2. The PvP inexperience of the Apoc captains, plus their relative lack of skill. This is a supposition.
3. Despite the EW environment in PvP play, time and time again players pay little to no attention to ship configuration and the current PvP climate. Yes, the Apoc is extremely limited in the Medium slots (3), but how many - if at all - were allocated to ECCM?
I'm not entirely sure if an Apoc can fit enough ECCM modules to make a difference against a Scorpion. Any others care to comment?
So, if the apparent strengths and weaknesses of the Apocalypse are so transparent then why fly through hostile space without an EW escort? i.e. Blackbird and/or Scorpion as back-up?
Personally, I'm aiming for the Dominix. It's versatility for the solo player is second to none.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 01/09/2003 20:54:45
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"Just because you can fly a battleship doesnt mean you should:)"
Whatever...
wow Dwarf constructive... The guys got a point next few weeks the board will be full of people whining about how they lost their bs in a roid feild to 3x10 k npc's then its gona be "nerf the npc's i cant shoot them from 5k make it so they stay within my opt range" because they have gone from shooting roids to a bs... no combat in the cruiser they have been mining in it with experianced fighters guarding them.
Luckily, those of us with half a brain will simply use our BSes to continue mining until we have the skills necessary to survive in PvP combat.
Just having a BS doesn't mean you're going to be careless with it.
Now, if you get a battleship AND you're an idiot, then yes you will probably lose it.
Veruna Caseti
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:55:00 -
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In an ironic twist of fate, those Apocolypses were outfitted with target jammers.
I know I got a message saying I was being target jammed.. and half my weapons lost their lock, when I took that screenshot.
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Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.09.01 21:01:00 -
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Liscia Thierese, small correction there: The apoc has 4 med slots. Good points otherwise.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.01 21:09:00 -
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I guess Scorpion sales just went up?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.01 21:14:00 -
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Definately impressed... NOT! Jim must think him self super man or uber 1337. He was flying that cheating so called Scorpion ship. I hope this shuts up all them tards that where arguing against me and stacking of the shield hardeners.
2 Tier 2 pure combat ships couldn't hurt a Tier 1 EW ship that wasn't even built for fire fights and cost 1/2 as much to make one... bull****. I have one word... UNBALANCED!
Scorpion is hardly a "cheater" ship. It's an ECM/Defensive ship. It is supposed to counter against firepower ships, atleast IMO it should.. it lacks firepower itself.
When a Blackbird can completely lock down a battleship it is no suprise that a Scorpion can thrash a ship like the Apocolypse.
I think the game would be lame if whoever can fit the most tachyons and extruded heatsinks on their ship = the winner. I'm glad Eve has ships like the Blackbird and Scorpion that can handle ships that rely soley on firepower.
Yes, on small scale combat, the Scorpion will usually always win. It just has too many medium slots and too many configuration versatility to really lose. There's a lot of nasty ways to setup a Scorpion to shut someone down completely.
Larger the battle, the better ships like the Armageddon, Apocolypses, and Megathron are.. they are pure firepower ships, there's not much else to them.. you could go for the super fast cap regeneration + cap neutralizer setup with these ships but I don't believe that is effective in large scale combat.
Anyways no I don't consider myself superman, my ship is quite fallable.. I do have a good setup and I often change my ships configuration to suite the type of fighting I plan to do and I consider myself a good player.
That being said, that battle was more of an imbalance of skill than an imbalance of ships. There's nothing stopping an Apoc or Megathron, or even an Armageddon from running shield hardeners, they simply can't run anything else.. just like I can't run eight turrets on my Scorpion /shrug.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.01 21:19:00 -
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Scorpion has 2/3's the powergrid of an Apoc, it has a couple of thousand less HP's in total than an Apoc, and can only do half as much damage as an Apoc.
That's unbalanced?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.02 00:12:00 -
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Amazing how people cry "cheater" all the time, what's up with that? 
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.09.02 00:25:00 -
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Two Apocalypses could easily take on a scorpion, given the correct configurations and circumstances.
To answer a question asked above: Yes, the Apoc can easily equip enough ECCM to make a huge difference. Few people equip more than 3-4 targeting jammers, and there are low-slot ECCM available.
Sensor dampeners/weapon disruptors are a bit more tricky (and you can't defend from everything), but generally they aren't as devastating as targeting jammers, and a scorpion would be hard pressed to take out two apocs with them (it can be done, given that the apocs aren't fitting any defenses, but then the combat has turned into a "who equipped against what", and the EW attacker usually has the better in those cases) - not that the apocs couldn't have EW of their own! That might be a nasty surprise to a scorpion owner...
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In an ironic twist of fate, those Apocolypses were outfitted with target jammers.
I know I got a message saying I was being target jammed.. and half my weapons lost their lock, when I took that screenshot.
Dear gods, and you still repelled them? Scratch that one up to slow reflexes (why didn't they jam you right away) and good hardeners. Or did that nice little ECCM you had equipped suffice to break the lock?
Anyway, the point of all this was: Apocs are not worse than Scorps, and sometimes the best defense against EW is offense (although, clearly not in this case).
I love the boards today...so much interesting activity!
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 01:25:00 -
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Two multispectrals are not going to get you to 80% :D
First of all, they don't add, and secondly, they got nerfed down from 40%.
And if a gunboat is supposed to always beat an ew boat, why have ew boats?
Without the EW boats, everyone will just have armageddons loaded down with lasers and heat sinks.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.02 01:31:00 -
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Two multispectrals are not going to get you to 80% :D
First of all, they don't add, and secondly, they got nerfed down from 40%.
And if a gunboat is supposed to always beat an ew boat, why have ew boats?
Without the EW boats, everyone will just have armageddons loaded down with lasers and heat sinks.
The V-15 Multispectrals are still 40%. They use way too much energy to be useful though.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.09.02 01:41:00 -
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This is a really good story :-).
I once forgot to activate the 3rd dampener and nearly died because of it .
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