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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.13 21:02:00 -
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Set up a special "premium subscriber" Status
It cost twice the amount of a regular subscriber
but allows you to train two skill simultaneously
It'll cut down abit on your the server load by eliminating an Alt or two
It isnt all that of a unfair advantage, not like your buying skill points
and the more hardcore players are already effectively doing it
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.02.13 21:53:00 -
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Since users like me already pay for two accounts, it makes sense to be able to have two characters training on the same account even if it costs more to subscribe each month.
I'd agree to paying 10% or so less than two accounts to have a single account with two characters that can train. Also have all three training but costing 10% less than having 3 accounts going.
No flames from the usual crowd about alts either, I'm sick of it! If we only had one character per account, people would create another account to have alts, you can't prevent it so don't even try.
/signed.
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Packtu'sa
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Posted - 2006.02.13 22:18:00 -
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NO. Unfortunately, I can't shove giant sign in your faces saying NO, so I'll have to settle for boldface.
The instant you create two different account types, the game is RUINED. You suddenly create a large divide between those who can afford to and those who can't afford to invest in this 'upgraded' account. Regardless of whether or not alternate characters are a good idea, this is NOT. CCP, DON'T ruin this game!
Packtu'sa
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Johnathan Roark
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Posted - 2006.02.13 22:49:00 -
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It wouldn't change anything, But whats the point. I dont see CCP wasting there time on this.
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.13 23:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Packtu'sa
The instant you create two different account types, the game is RUINED. You suddenly create a large divide between those who can afford to and those who can't afford to invest in this 'upgraded' account. Regardless of whether or not alternate characters are a good idea, this is NOT. CCP, DON'T ruin this game!
In that case the game is ruined as is now
seeing as about everyone i know has at least one extra account
as for improvements, it means that you dont have to store the data for 2 seperate characters
you dont have to waste time in character creation
you dont have to spend time shuffeling around things on escrow and transfering money
you dont have to have two clients open to transfer cargo between to chars
It'll save plenty of badwidth, and streamline game play
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Tarminic
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Posted - 2006.02.14 00:39:00 -
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Creating a priveledged account would just create a useless divide among players. The best thing about EVE is that casual players who don't have as much time as some others can still keep up since skill training is dependant completely on real time, not game time. Creating a second, "better" account type would just erode that.
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Jhonen Senraedi
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Posted - 2006.02.14 04:52:00 -
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Well..if a lot of peope would/could actually roleplay rather than powergame..then there'd be no need for thois idea to even be considered aside from the training impact.
In an mmoRPG....notice I focus on the ROLEPLAYING GAME aspect here....people should not be transferring items and cash between characters...unless it's written in their histories that they know each other etc.
If people roleplayed each character would be a seperate entity with a seperate life....and if people did roleplay..just how many of their alt characters would be willing to risk death etc. by spying?
Maybe a way forward on the skills thing would be to require characters to be developed to a certain level before both could skill up at the same time...i.e a required percentage of skill points of the main needing to be acquired by the alt before they could both train skills...or make it so that an alt/secondary/tertiary character must surpass the primary characters sp....
example..character X has 10m sp's...character Y would have to pass that total before character a could train simultaneously.There could be a minimum sp level set for a first/main character to gain before you can develop a secondary/tertiary etc.
Now this could cut down on alts...as there would have to be a certain amount of investment of time and effort into secondary and tertiary characters...
Perhaps CCP should also bring in a character switching limit..i.e only allow a person to play 1 of their characters every 24 hours...
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.14 04:58:00 -
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wont work
they have serpeate accounts
some have multiple IPs
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Helen Tiger
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Posted - 2006.02.14 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Helen Tiger on 14/02/2006 14:33:30
Originally by: Packtu'sa
NO. Unfortunately, I can't shove giant sign in your faces saying NO, so I'll have to settle for boldface.
What about ASCII-art ?
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edit : doesn't work because the funky character fonts dude at CCP saw it fit to use different fonts for the editing window and the actual forum pages. Damn, must be the same guy responsible for the stupidiotic choices of unreadable client fonts 
I can already see people with normal accounts buying a second, upgraded account and twinking it to no end until it reaches 30 million SP, all in PvP-relevant skills.
The teenage arses with mom's credit card number would pwn us all and EVE would finally end in failure.
Besides, AFAIK there isn't a single MMORPG which features this type of concept.
Helen
Originally by: Kittamaru
Bravo Helen! (...)
Never seen someone do their research before disproving another's point!
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.02.14 14:36:00 -
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There's a huge difference between two seperate characters training simultaneously and one character training at double speed. If you're just suggesting allowing people to pay to have more than one character training at once on the same account, I don't see a problem with that. If you're suggesting allowing the same character to train two different skills at the same time, that's not a good idea. At all.
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Sha'blach
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Posted - 2006.02.14 15:44:00 -
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/me holds out a big ass 10km wide sign saying "no well in hell"
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Helen Tiger
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Posted - 2006.02.14 15:49:00 -
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Besides, if you use two accounts you can log-in and play on both at once, and gang with yourself. I do it all the time for two things : my second toon flies my loot-wagon on missions, and she gives me the benefit of my leadership skills.
If you've ever tried to log-in twice with the same account at once, you'll know that it causes the first client to shut-down, as it must appear to the server as if an account was used by two players at once.
Helen
Originally by: Kittamaru
Bravo Helen! (...)
Never seen someone do their research before disproving another's point!
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Suren Segolia
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Posted - 2006.02.14 15:57:00 -
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Don't know if I like this idea or not, however:
The difference between one account being able to train two characters at the same time and have two accounts is that with two accounts you can actually play both accounts at the same time.
To me, this looks like might be a better situation possibly.
Anyway - good luck out there and don't die
Suren.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.02.17 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Tiger
Besides, if you use two accounts you can log-in and play on both at once, and gang with yourself. I do it all the time for two things : my second toon flies my loot-wagon on missions, and she gives me the benefit of my leadership skills.
The whole point is as Jhonen Senraedi mentioned about powerplay. Using one account to have two current character means that people like me can play two seperate entities that do not have anything to do with each other. One is a miner/trader and the other is a fighter and when I get bored playing one role, I can switch to the other.
It would not create any more of a divide of players who can only afford one player than it does now. Many players have two accounts and those who can't afford to keep two accounts running only have the one. What's the difference unless you start bragging about your double character account to someone who only has a single character account? Who really cares how many accounts you have anyway?
The benefits would include:
*Less spy alts since characters would be too well trained to lose.
*More integration since both characters would have seperate roles and probably be associated with different corps.
*A chance for people to really get into different roles since training one character means choosing a specific path and a long time to change it.
*Less opportunity for people to put the two characters together and play as one as you mentioned. I have been tempted to use my second to fly defence for the first but have resisted up till now because it takes me back to the reason why I created the second account.
If their skill training and lives are completely seperate then I can't see the difference between having one account with two working characters or two seperate accounts if it costs about the same both ways. Even CCP can't argue that they would lose revenue if they priced it at double the cost for this type of account. They could easily keep the existing system but also offer 2 working characters at 2x the cost or 3 working characters at 3x the cost. Since there are 3 possible characters on your selection, why not create a use for them being there?
And as a final thought. It would then justify having the other two characters "greyed out" unless you pay to have two or more working characters. Existing users would be given the opportunity to choose which character they want to use and an opportunity to upgrade to use more than one... Goodbye spy alts unless they are paid for. 
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Chaoskeeper
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Posted - 2006.02.17 13:08:00 -
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let's see..... no
You better get 2 accounts since you can directy interact with the other account then,
you can hunt together, mine together, die together, you can do trade runs on the one account while agent whoring with the other.
well i don't really see an advantage of training 2 characters on one account.
btw... name me one mmorpg where you can do that
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Useless alt
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Posted - 2006.02.17 13:38:00 -
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OMG
How dare one say characters like ME would ruin the game!!
Anyway I think that alt characters help the game in some ways and hurts the game in others. Having an account on which one would be able to train two or even three characters at the same time would be no diffrent then having a few diffrent accounts to do just that.
On the other hand the benifit of being able to run 3 clients at the same time all logged in with a unique account and thus having all your accounts work together, would in my opinion tip the scale in the advantage of the 3 training on a single account idea.
Whatever the case I would say having a ALT char is an valid option, it just gets CCP more money. Having a ALT char on a single account in my opinion would not be preferable unless there is a price diffrence compaired to having several accounts. Which would make it unfair again, so all in all... NO I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA.
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