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me loke
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Posted - 2003.09.01 11:23:00 -
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this is only a sugesstion and maybe already implemented (dont really follow ingame politic) but a way to booster defence against TTI the Venal Alliance could offer idependent fighters a kind of buccaner deal where they could move free in Venal territory against them raiding TTI people.think that it would be alot of the independet people that would love a chance to hit TTI if they had a chance. asi said this might already be happening as i dont follow ingame politics so much but could be way to boost defence for the venal alliance.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.01 12:33:00 -
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The precise form of the new phase of the war against TTi, recently and unexpectedly joined by the Venal Alliance, is now being planned.
Unlike the unimaginative and ineffective multiple-kill-bounty method utilised by Ragnar, the war is likely to be fought both militarily and economically. This is almost certain to involve the issuing of contracts to those not already at war with TTi.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:07:00 -
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Speaking as CEO of Jericho and an owner captain of the old VA, I can assure you monsieur that independents and freelancers will be invited to aid in the war of liberation against TTI.
In the next few days we will formalise procedures and produce something like a "survival guide" to hunting Taggart assets.
Its in my mind (don't know if we'll be able to pull it off) to produce something like the deck of cards concept used recently in earthly wars to aid recognition of foes.
As athule says we will not be using a multiple pod bounty metholodolgy, but a military disruption of all TTI assets in Venal initially.
That said, I will reward the capture of TTI bodies with more than simple isk monsieur.
Love and peace,
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:11:00 -
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That said, I will reward the capture of TTI bodies with more than simple isk monsieur.
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Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:19:00 -
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You guys know where to find me.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:22:00 -
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* vaxes his dominix *
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Askari
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Askari on 01/09/2003 14:31:43
Jade, Jericho, etal,
I find a lot of your (shorter) posts most enlightening and I enjoy deeply the extra depth and effort you go to when making your news and views known.
So please do not take this personally, but pick a frickin side.
Over the last few weeks you have been flambasting everyone who openly disagreed with TTi going anywhere near Venal, and had extremely interesting running verbal battle with MDweekly.
You openly paraded the MinerII / Nieblung incident under everyones noses and how everyone loved each other in Venal.
And now you all turn your backs on TTi the second it becomes costly.
Maybe you are just cutting your losses, i dont know, i could not even begin to comment as i am quite far removed from these issues.
Maybe posting another truly epic news update would help allay my worries and fears, that should i ever deal with yourselves or others in this sorry state, that i may also get stabbed in the back the second it goes wrong.
I only ask for a forthright explanation, as i, and im sure many others are also wondering, as i fear you may find yourselves in TTi's shoes one day should the flip a coin side picking continue.
Faithfully,
EDIT::: ok, please ignore all of above
I have been away from forums all weekend and am reading downwards, so have only just now seen your original post regarding the TTi treachery.
I beg your forgivness for jumping to conclusions!
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Blonde on 01/09/2003 14:34:05
Fun Fun Fun ;)
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 01/09/2003 14:35:46
Mate u need to read:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=29442
[EDIT: TOO LATE)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:41:00 -
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Forgiven monsieur Askari ;)
and never fear, now TTI have broken faith I will be revealing the whole truth of what happened during my tenure representing Ragnar's delusional machine.
Love and peace
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Georg
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:42:00 -
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The War of Liberation.
For who? As far as I can see just the current members of your side of the Venal Cartel. You seem happy enough to allow the independents in now you need their help. Will they be allowed continued free access should your side win this war? Somehow I doubt it. The spin being presented from both sides is worthy of ancient history.
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Laarz Kaledon
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Posted - 2003.09.01 14:54:00 -
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I would think that people who get to know the people of venal and gain their respect would have certain perks once their duties are over as mercenaries.
How could it be any other way...?? It is the very nature of going into battle together and the comraderie that is exhanged that will enable this.
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Georg
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Posted - 2003.09.01 15:14:00 -
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You would be wise to not to make such assumptions. If honour and justice was well observed then that would be the case, but history does not bode well for such an outcome.
And all the members of the Venal Alliance have happily coexisted with pirate members in the past, so despite the Jericho led faction's recent protestations of an idealism of freedom and removal of piracy, it is an idealism born of military and strategic necessity to find help, not of any inate conviction of principle. Such idealism tends not to outlast the conditions that required it? Will they happily cede their once total control of the Venal region's resources to new comers?
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Judicator
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Posted - 2003.09.01 16:30:00 -
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Random mayhem, senseless slughter? Sounds like a party I can't miss
"I have tried for months and months to make m0o the most hated, the most despised corp in the galaxy and what happens? A stack of muppets named TTI comes along and just basically urinates on my bonfire."
Stavr0s
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.01 19:05:00 -
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More prey, please.
-Necro
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.01 19:37:00 -
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The gentleman above is correct of course. Jade you were once the ally of TTI yet you proposed a vote to expel them. I can understand why they are upset with you. Perhaps if you were to discuss your real motivation for eliminating another VA member in the first place we could better understand. As it is for now all I understand is you've switched sides three times now. Don't forget you were originally after them (remember the dinner with Mr. Nimitz post), then suddenly allied with them, now enemies again. I hate to be personal but Jericho Fraction hardly appears like a good ally to anyone.
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Laarz Kaledon
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Posted - 2003.09.01 19:39:00 -
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Well, Georg.. get some of your union buddies together and go find out of it's worth your while. Though, you seem to already made up your mind that you won't be welcomed.
Surely, there will be lot's of room if TTI move out of the region. And likely, that void will be filled with the freedom fighter corps that come up and help. Maybe this is how you can gain entrance into the new alliance.
I dunno... just some thoughts from an outsider...
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Cao Cao on 01/09/2003 20:20:20
Wow Jade,
Your whining crying *****fest is not very persuasive. Why should any corporation be forced to contribute to a community pool of war funds? Sounds like an underhanded way for you to get your grubby hands on TTi's wallet.
EDIT: typo
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:30:00 -
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High Priestess, I have answered at least one of GeorgÆs many near identical posts in various threads today so you forgive me for not duplicating my words here. I will address your erroneous statement though with the advice that you should re-read the copious documentary evidence to ensure you are not beginning from a flawed position.
I didnÆt propose the vote; I merely acted as SPOC for VA and brought terms from the FA Rep to the VA Council.
Of the reason for my voting preference I would have thought that was abundantly clear, TTI refused to support the VA in a meaningful manner, consequentially for the good of VA I voted for their expulsion.
I do find myself quite vindicated on my doubts on their previous commitment now, since after declaring war on half of the VA, they found the money to place 100m isk on my head, and more besides to hire the notorious pirate group Mega.
You would do better to direct your investigations toward why TTI did not see fit to make these funds available to the war effort in proportional levy? That is the real question here.
Re changing sides, let me see, long ago I despised TTI for making a deal with mOo. Later, Jericho joined VA in a public relations role. Then TTI Joined VA and we were forced to consider them allies. When war came TTI did not pull their weight and we voted for their expulsion.
I fail to see any sleight against our loyalty and honour here.
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Karif
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:30:00 -
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Your whining crying *****fest is not very persuasive. Why should any corporation be forced to contribute to a community pool of war funds? Sounds like an underhanded way for you to get your grubby hands on TTi's wallet.
You mean as opposed to TTi or The Paladins of the Red Skull directly appealing to the developers of the game to implement changes that directly benefit them, at the expense of other players?
/snicker
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:35:00 -
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Cao Cao you are an idiot, Jericho was one of the net providers of isk to the warbudget; we had no need of it, fellow corps of the alliance did.
Main you are a fool, Jericho had nothing whatsoever to do with inviting TTI in the VA. Clearly you think on RagnarÆs level, and that is enough for me to consider you pretty much worthless.
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Main
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:37:00 -
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Jade, for the past month you have done nothing but defend your allies, tti, against all of the flak they have received both ingame and out of game, now that the going gets tough and tti have asked you for help, you stab them in the back and tell them to get lost.
Are you going to do that to the other corporations left of your pitiful alliance now that half of the alliance has been split up into corporations friendly and enemy to tti?
Main
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:44:00 -
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Jade is cuter than Ragnar.
She gets my vote.
Plus, she's now 100M richer.
You ARE going to pod yourself 20 times, I hope?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Main
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:51:00 -
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Jade, i must appologise for my recent outburst, it was uncalled for and unnecessary.
However, i do feel that the treatment that tti received was very bachhand and dishonourable. tti were a corporation who seemed to whole heartedly support the venal alliance even if it ment that they got a bad reputation for helping pirates but when they were at war and the going got tough, it does look like the venal alliance hung them out to dry.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/09/2003 20:56:33
Monsieur Main,
Here is what happened;
It's very simple. The VA was being let down by Taggart. The TTI defense commitment was token. We were losing the war and a number of Venal corps were effectively down and out. A substantial portion of the VA Council members believed we were on the verge of total defeat.
Fountain made a proposal for peace at the cost of TTI presence in Venal.
This gave two potential ways out of the dilemma,
1. TTI make a significant contribution
2. TTI leave
with a last option.
3. We all die together and appear in tragic sagas.
We tried our hardest to get TTI to pay their share of a common defense budget ... they refused.
And in the end it came down to a vote where option 3. was chosen anyhow.
VA was prepared to abide by the result, but as it later became clear by Ragnar's pre-prepared statement, TTI was not.
I have no doubt that the declaration of war and assassination contract was intended to punish a TTI expulsion vote.
The fact Ragnar chose to use it anyway after victory is a sign of just how maniacial the man actually is.
And that is what happened, I don't blame you, the loyal battleship pilot serving VA day to day, I blame your corporate executives and Ragnar for starving the VA of support and then stabbing us in the back.
Its all very clear.
And thank you for the apology, it takes a man to do that, and perhaps I was hasty in calling you a fool.
Love and peace.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.01 20:59:00 -
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You ARE going to pod yourself 20 times, I hope?
Having been an alliance with TTI in wartime and having discussed finances for critical ship replacements with zero joy. I must admit I have exactly zero faith that TTI will pay up on the corpses. Their miserly short-sighted ignorance is matched only by their lack of charm.
Love and peace (and thank you for the vote m'dear)
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.01 21:10:00 -
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I am still hoping for the full, unedited, council meeting logs to be published - when they are you will see some interesting facts about the so-called stabbing in the back vote.
In the meantime let me explain, whilst pure combat corps, corps with large funds set aside and large corps with distributed operations were weathering the war reasonably well many smaller and medium sized corps were not. Fighting and dying at the side of TTi they were also being bled dry through the complete cessation of their mining, trading and production activities.
The plan was laid forth that TTi would temporarily drop their official membership of Venal whilst the other corps relocated themselves near the Fountain border, giving them much needed time to rebuild as TTi were completely unwilling to support them. In a week or two TTi would officially join again and a full scale coordinated attack would take place. Whether or not this would have worked will never be known as the vote went against this plan.
After several months of attacks from all sides it is clear that TTi, by which I mostly mean Ragnar, has been left in a sense of total paranoia. In the previous meeting there was no indication given that TTi was opposed to this plan, indeed their representative explicitly stated that the option was not ruled out. Unable to even countenance the possibility of a divergence of opinion within a voting structure TTi lashed out and to the shock and suprise of all placed bounties on fellow Venal Alliance members. The genuine shock and suprise expressed instantly on this revelation from TTi shows just how false TTi's suspicions were.
It is impossible to state just how stupid and ill-conceived TTi's actions were at this point in the meeting - so much so that they can no longer back out. Even those who were sympathetic to TTi have been turned totally against them, all Ragnar's comments have led to is a whole new team of enemies to add to the already huge numbers arrayed in opposition thus putting them in an even worse position than they would have been if they had simply accepted the vote which they had won. Although disappointing the stance would at least have some semblence of wisdom had they lost the vote - instead total war in both Venal and soon Empire space is all that can be expected for Venal and their current allies. Allies such as the perennial friend of the cadet pilot and peaceful 1.0 dweller - Tank CEO and his M3G4 chums.
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Mustafa Ken'Yova
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:57:00 -
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As Tehel said, more prey.
And as for Jade: the propaganda is quite amusing, quite amusing. Perhaps people would like the hear the truth though...those that don't hate TTI for no reason already.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.01 23:55:00 -
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*Yawn* put up or shut up is my challenge to you.
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Kuole Zhilarsk
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Posted - 2003.09.02 03:42:00 -
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More prey, please.
-Necro
Hullo
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