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Aiolos Caci	Posted - 2006.02.15 05:24:00 - [1] I have large weapons specializations in both missiles and projectiles. Shield and armor related skills equally maxed out. Which ones would people who actually fly dreads recommend, Minmatar or Caldari? I am thinking more about the ability to sustain incoming damage for prolonged periods of time so my first guess is an armor tanked Naglfar. Asking for the experienced dread pilots comments. I can theorize till I'm blue in the face but some "real" life experiences. Thanks in advance! Aio
Xthril Ranger	Posted - 2006.02.15 05:31:00 - [2] Naglfar is the better looking one (do crystal implants work on capital repairers?) you'll never jump alone
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.15 11:50:00 - [3] caldari one hands down/ faction amps are cheap. 37.5% boost ones are 70mils only and add two of them making shield tanking more efficent, more hp per cycle, and more hp per sec. thus better on all points -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.02.15 12:31:00 - [4] id prefer capital armour tanlin over shieldtankin everxday, as u have to shieldtank "manually" but can runt he armour rep all the time. means get the naglthing - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Mr Raine	Posted - 2006.02.15 12:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists id prefer capital armour tanlin over shieldtankin everxday, as u have to shieldtank "manually" but can runt he armour rep all the time. means get the naglthing that is correct, u dont want to mess around with a shiel tank when u cant run it for ever, and we all know how fleet fights affect module activation, go for somthing that can run forever, = no worries,
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.02.15 13:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Mr Raine Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists id prefer capital armour tanlin over shieldtankin everxday, as u have to shieldtank "manually" but can runt he armour rep all the time. means get the naglthing that is correct, u dont want to mess around with a shiel tank when u cant run it for ever, and we all know how fleet fights affect module activation, go for somthing that can run forever, = no worries, Exactly. Phoenix in a fleet engagement: Enables shielbooster but cannot disable reenable it. BOOM A capital repper you just keep running and even if you lag out there is a chance that your side is the one that is still there after the lagfest is over. Maybe the new cluster holds what they promise though but i wouldn't bet on it yet.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.15 13:57:00 - [7] so you guys say armor tanking is FTW because of lag? wow that is the most **** up thing i ever herd -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage** Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.02.15 14:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Gronsak so you guys say armor tanking is FTW because of lag? wow that is the most ****** up thing i ever herd But it's exactly like that. In a current lagbattle a phoenix is doomed. It will either run the booster and cannot deactivate and run out of cap or it will deactivate and cannot reactivate the booster. Sure ther is the cap relay shield boost relay setup but that is fixed with next patch so you cannot rely on that one either.
rastoman	Posted - 2006.02.15 14:21:00 - [9] lets be honest, choose the phoenix as it is named after the best alliance
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.02.15 14:30:00 - [10] Point of dreads = destroying PoSes Naglfar = best DPS vs PoSes hence, Naglfar = Best Dread. The Eve Guild Wars Project!
Asurix	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:19:00 - [11] phoenix in a fleet battle is useless since it hits BS for less then a normal torp
Denrace	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Asurix phoenix in a fleet battle is useless since it hits BS for less then a normal torp True, but the Phoenix looks gorgeous! ________________________________________ Give the Nighthawk more Shield HP and a ROF bonus!! I make Custom Sigs.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Denrace Originally by: Asurix phoenix in a fleet battle is useless since it hits BS for less then a normal torp True, but the Phoenix looks gorgeous! Naglfar looks better! Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Nafri	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Testy Mctest Point of dreads = destroying PoSes Naglfar = best DPS vs PoSes hence, Naglfar = Best Dread. Not really Dreads are about tanking a POS, and Naglfar is worst tanker
Asurix	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Testy Mctest Point of dreads = destroying PoSes Naglfar = best DPS vs PoSes hence, Naglfar = Best Dread. Not really Dreads are about tanking a POS, and Naglfar is worst tanker but good enough ;)
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Chi Prime on 15/02/2006 16:14:39 Edited by: Chi Prime on 15/02/2006 16:13:32 Originally by: Asurix phoenix in a fleet battle is useless since it hits BS for less then a normal torp There are ways to influence that (The lagmonster -> armor tanking thing still stands though.)
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:16:00 - [17] For anti POS they are all good. No ammo use on the rev though! Revelation 4tw!
Nafri	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Chi Prime Edited by: Chi Prime on 15/02/2006 16:14:39 Edited by: Chi Prime on 15/02/2006 16:13:32 Originally by: Asurix phoenix in a fleet battle is useless since it hits BS for less then a normal torp There are ways to influence that (The lagmonster -> armor tanking thing still stands though.) actually, phoenix makes insta poof a lot
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Testy Mctest Point of dreads = destroying PoSes Naglfar = best DPS vs PoSes hence, Naglfar = Best Dread. Not really Dreads are about tanking a POS, and Naglfar is worst tanker spend enough isk on it and you have have 2 reps running forever in siege mode on it Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Gian Bal	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:45:00 - [20] Edited by: Gian Bal on 15/02/2006 18:45:29 therefore you can spend enough isk on the phoenix, and if it was enough money, maybe the booster runs forever but to be honest i don't know. i would go for a phoenix just because of the simple reason that u have to train 2 different capital weapon types on naglfar, and capital skills are usually a pain to train on 5, what you deffinately would like to have after some time, just because it dishes out more dmg on lvl 5. then again i would go for a moros instead of both of theese. the moros is the ugliest one, but with blasters the one that has the smallest trouble to hit moving bs 'n stuff like that. for phoenix or naglfar i would go for phoemix anyways. but just my 2 cent
Asurix	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Gian Bal Edited by: Gian Bal on 15/02/2006 18:45:29 therefore you can spend enough isk on the phoenix, and if it was enough money, maybe the booster runs forever but to be honest i don't know. i would go for a phoenix just because of the simple reason that u have to train 2 different capital weapon types on naglfar, and capital skills are usually a pain to train on 5, what you deffinately would like to have after some time, just because it dishes out more dmg on lvl 5. then again i would go for a moros instead of both of theese. the moros is the ugliest one, but with blasters the one that has the smallest trouble to hit moving bs 'n stuff like that. for phoenix or naglfar i would go for phoemix anyways. but just my 2 cent tho i don't think dreads do more dmg then a BS outside of siege mode ;) (and in siege mode even blasters can't hit a moving BS, add to that the crap range, voila)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Gian Bal Edited by: Gian Bal on 15/02/2006 18:45:29 therefore you can spend enough isk on the phoenix, and if it was enough money, maybe the booster runs forever but to be honest i don't know. i would go for a phoenix just because of the simple reason that u have to train 2 different capital weapon types on naglfar, and capital skills are usually a pain to train on 5, what you deffinately would like to have after some time, just because it dishes out more dmg on lvl 5. then again i would go for a moros instead of both of theese. the moros is the ugliest one, but with blasters the one that has the smallest trouble to hit moving bs 'n stuff like that. for phoenix or naglfar i would go for phoemix anyways. but just my 2 cent fortunatly, citadel torps will only add another 20 days of training on - Torpedos is only Rank 4 and the general training time for a level 5 is 5 days * rank, +- a bit for good/bad attribs. And then another 7 days to get Citadel torps to 5. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
aeti	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Gronsak so you guys say armor tanking is FTW because of lag? wow that is the most ****** up thing i ever herd pretty much, yes
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:30:00 - [24] Originally by: aeti Originally by: Gronsak so you guys say armor tanking is FTW because of lag? wow that is the most **** up thing i ever herd pretty much, yes agreed. if you have your shield booster on manual, 10 seconds of lag/computer lockup/whatever can kill you, while an armour rep will just run and run and run Originally by:** Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Gian Bal	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:31:00 - [25] i tested my raven vs a moros quite some days ago on sisi, and believe me or not, the guy wrecks havoc on it at above 40km with its blasters with about 9k dmg. of course he used a painter, had maybe good skills and he missed alot... but after 9k damage, my shields are gone anyways. the guy was in siege mode, but out of webbing range. i have no idea what it can do while using a web with closerange ammo, but theese 9k really impressed me.
Derran	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:43:00 - [26] I've owned a phoenix. It needs support to make the citadel torps work well on a medium or small POS. Otherwise they suffer a damage reduction due to the sig radius. And then it has that crappy kinetic missile bonus on top of that which all POS but one has a damage resist against. Nagalfar has all the tanking it would need to take on a POS and the autocannons to hit hard. Shame it has to use citadel torps though.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.15 20:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Derran Shame it has to use citadel torps though. those citaldel torps are the reason it gets the most damage vs a pos :). also, it's not shafted by a racial damage bonus - rof 4tw Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.

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