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Dark PIne	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:27:00 - [1] I have to say, I'd switch to use T2 frigates in PvP if heavy NOS was nerfed against smaller ships with sig radius or tracking.
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:29:00 - [2] Why? If Im flying a BS in the first place I have support to kill tacklers for me. A web and a load of light drones will see off most tacklers. I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
Iberi	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:30:00 - [3] Heavy NOS will not be nerfed due to excellent balance. Few carebears, whining about NOS nerf are nothing. Month ago they whine about raven boosting(or nerfing?). Today they are whining about NOS's. Tomorrow they will whine about covert ops nerfing and freighter boosting.
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:31:00 - [4] Yes Why? Swarm of light drones on max skills mollest frigs badly now.
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:31:00 - [5] Who said its gettings nerfed? ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Tennessee Jack	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:33:00 - [6] Excellent balance? Thats horse(insert dirty word). Nos Needs to be changed. Too many benefits with no real drawbacks. But to the pertaining question? No. NOS needs a change/to go.
Jim Steele	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:34:00 - [7] I dont fly around with my nossies on my Apoc now so i dont think a nerf will effect my ship choice. Author of "The Apoc Guide"
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:34:00 - [8] the only bs usefull in pvp would be the scorpion
Adril Alatar	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Tennessee Jack Excellent balance? Thats horse(insert dirty word). Nos Needs to be changed. Too many benefits with no real drawbacks. But to the pertaining question? No. NOS needs a change/to go. no drawbacks? it uses a highslot it uses much powergrid it has limited range
Sincere MarkXIII	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:37:00 - [10] If NOS gets nerfed, prics of hacs will go up another 75 %. I m gonna go order ten vagabonds now, kthnxbye

Jim Steele	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:42:00 - [11] Quote: the only possible nerf is a range reduction of heavy nosferatu I to 19km... so you can tackle him with a 20k scrambler.... or increase the range of smalls to 20k, and large to 50-100k but give them tracking so they are only usfull on a BS, but really i dont think the nos is particulary overpowered and they are easliy countered with ECM. Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Muthsera	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Sincere MarkXIII If NOS gets nerfed, prics of hacs will go up another 75 %. I m gonna go order ten vagabonds now, kthnxbye Very valid point. I think changing the nos is load of horce**** to say the least. It's giving intys and hac's an even greater advantage, and I'm a hac/inty pilot. Let the nos stay as it is! it's balansed as it is. Do not nerf it ffs. My thoughs
Dark PIne	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:46:00 - [13] Thanks for your replies, but so far I can see only two posters actually answering the question. Poll status: Yes, I still would use a bs in PvP: 2 No, I would not use a bs in PvP: 1
R31D	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:47:00 - [14] Originally by: The Wizz117 the only bs usefull in pvp would be the scorpion Nope, Rook > Scorp Free bumpage for all
Blighter	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:50:00 - [15] Nerf NOS But don;t tough Neutralizers
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:50:00 - [16] Originally by: R31D Originally by: The Wizz117 the only bs usefull in pvp would be the scorpion Nope, Rook > Scorp not for a lot of things - like being a ship that doens't matter when it gets called primary and blown to **** and back sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Dark PIne	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:54:00 - [17] There are plenty of threads to discuss about the need of nerfing NOS, but this thread is not one of them. Please do not hijack this thread. I'm only trying to form a picture of how many pilots would switch their battleship to a smaller ship for PvP purposes.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.15 15:57:00 - [18] would consider moving to sueing hacs because it would ** BS over too much -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage** Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Kaeljen Dae	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:01:00 - [19] I'd still use my BS because I can come up with other ideas than just nosing ^^ - damn, I even use setups without NOSes quite often. Beyond that, I don't think that a NOS should be nerfed (e.g. just make it worse) it should just be changed, so that it's not stand out in so many cases and in a few cases above other modules. It must be boosted in some aspects (range?) and limited on others (less strong the larger NOSs have on smaller ship classes). Kaeljen Dae
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:02:00 - [20] If nos was nerfed, I'd go play pirates of the burning sea beta. A nerf due to excessive whining from bad players is the start of slippery slope that most games, once they start on, will not get off. If I was to continue playing, which would be unlikely, it wouldnt stop me flying battleships at all, since I generally fly either a sniperpest or autopest, neither of which rely on nos at all. I'd probably fly ACpest a lot less, though, because there's not a lot of good stuff for those last two slots. Dominix would be an interesting BS if nos was nerfed :P The Eve Guild Wars Project!

DarK	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:02:00 - [21] As usual the sky will fall untill everyone figures out how to adapt. Just like every other nerf that has been whined about.
Crellion	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:13:00 - [22] If Nos were nerfed: (a) it would be a mistake (b) my Mega has trouble fitting one anyway (c) my Domi would finally know what to do with 6 highslots: 2 Heavy Nos 2 Med nos 2 small nos 4tw \o/ Why are we having this conversation again???
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:15:00 - [23] Nerfing the NOS isn't the solution. The solution is to nerf the bad players. That said, even if NOS are nerfed, you still have light drones that can do wonders swatting the frigs out of the sky, wich would be nerfed because the same players that scream "OMGNOSOVERPOWEREDNERF!" would start to say "OMGLIGHTDRONESHURTNERF!", but then again you still have webs and precisions that swat frigs out of the sky, wich would be nerfed because.... ...you know what I mean ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
HankMurphy	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Grimpak Nerfing the NOS isn't the solution. The solution is to nerf the bad players. That said, even if NOS are nerfed, you still have light drones that can do wonders swatting the frigs out of the sky, wich would be nerfed because the same players that scream "OMGNOSOVERPOWEREDNERF!" would start to say "OMGLIGHTDRONESHURTNERF!", but then again you still have webs and precisions that swat frigs out of the sky, wich would be nerfed because.... ...you know what I mean[/quote] /signed
Mr Bright	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:27:00 - [25] would never dream of doing anything but doing wolfpacks - they would reign supreme. That is, IF the Nos was nerfed - its just a very tiny whining minority going amok with nerf madness imho
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:34:00 - [26] Edited by: MissileRus on 15/02/2006 16:36:21 if they remove nos i wont solo in a bs, it will become impossible with all the frig gankers everywhere. and loosing a bs to frigs every week is going to be expensive... i think heavy nos is fine!! but everyone else seems to want to get rid of it, well then may i ask are you solo players? no your probably not. so nos is fine, you can get support and dont need to use nos, i cant and i need nos unless i want to buy a new bs every week when i meet that 1 frig thats imortal. i shouldnt have to fit small guns on a bs to survive, nos does the job AND the frig can still get away, he can still kill me even if i use heavy nos IF HES SMART wich to judge by all the nerf nos whiners most arent. frigs are more group oriented ships then battleships IMHO anyway, they should solo bs that easy.
inSpirAcy	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:38:00 - [27] If they nerfed nos? I'd just fit neuts.
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:45:00 - [28] Originally by: inSpirAcy If they nerfed nos? I'd just fit neuts. that gimps bs even more. noone will fly a bs unless in fleets, and everyone will fly frigs. thats what will happen.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.02.15 16:50:00 - [29] If they were nerfed I don't think it would be nerfed so 1 heavy NoS still wouldn't be a threat to frigs.
Evil Edna	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:02:00 - [30] yup i still would NOS is a very small part of my bs setup on most that i fly

Dark PIne	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:23:00 - [31] Out of 29 posts to this thread, only 9 posters have given an aswer to the question. Current poll status: Yes, I still would use a bs in PvP: 5 No, I would not use a bs in PvP: 4
Commander Thrawn	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:25:00 - [32] Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 15/02/2006 17:27:12 Originally by: Jim Steele Quote: the only possible nerf is a range reduction of heavy nosferatu I to 19km... so you can tackle him with a 20k scrambler.... or increase the range of smalls to 20k, and large to 50-100k but give them tracking so they are only usfull on a BS, but really i dont think the nos is particulary overpowered and they are easliy countered with ECM. i think this says it all. NOS is the only realy defence against HAC's and a bunch of tacklers for a lone BS. But this can easily be countered. If you plan on attacker a BS with smaller ship, fit accordingly. Use jammers, end of story. as for the question, PVP alone = no pvp gang = sure
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:25:00 - [33] Originally by: R31D Originally by: The Wizz117 the only bs usefull in pvp would be the scorpion Nope, Rook > Scorp Please bring Rooks to all pvp engagements. They make nice pretty explosions when just ONE BS (tech 2 fitted) gets a nice volley on them.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Dark PIne Out of 29 posts to this thread, only 9 posters have given an aswer to the question. Current poll status: Yes, I still would use a bs in PvP: 5 No, I would not use a bs in PvP: 4 the question is dumb thats why your not getting good responses. if tracking of ur guns was half on a BS would u still use your BS. well yeh i ***** would but it would limit the situations where i *** could. just nerfing nos wount stop anyone from ever useing bS, that is retarded, but it would stop people useing BS in certain situations. for example, id probably use a hac insted of a BS vs a group of frigs if nos where fubered. you cant just say will u stop flying BS. since its a stupid question, and those replying are only giving an answer in response to what they want to happen aka, yes i will stop = please dont nerf nos. no i owunt = hahhahahha nerf the nos. this whole thred is pointless -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage** Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Commander Thrawn Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 15/02/2006 17:27:12 Originally by: Jim Steele Quote: the only possible nerf is a range reduction of heavy nosferatu I to 19km... so you can tackle him with a 20k scrambler.... or increase the range of smalls to 20k, and large to 50-100k but give them tracking so they are only usfull on a BS, but really i dont think the nos is particulary overpowered and they are easliy countered with ECM. i think this says it all. NOS is the only realy defence against HAC's and a bunch of tacklers for a lone BS. But this can easily be countered. If you plan on attacker a BS with smaller ship, fit accordingly. Use jammers, end of story. as for the question, PVP alone = no pvp gang = sure Use jammers when you have 3 or 4 meds ? please ... I would fly either of my BS about as much as i do atm. Tempest with 1400's for hitting static target. Phoon with Ac and siege for chasing stuff down. I would still mainly fly cruisers for PvP. Personally i like that they have pretty good strike power but are cheap enough to***** up in and die. Bs are meant to be literally a 'battle ship' so flying them solo for any purpose isn't right. You folks ever thought about it like that ? I have some sort of genetic defect that makes my sigs too big :(
Dark PIne	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Gronsak just nerfing nos wount stop anyone from ever useing bS, that is retarded, but it would stop people useing BS in certain situations. for example, id probably use a hac insted of a BS vs a group of frigs if nos where fubered. Exactly. You would still use battleships eg. in fleet battles or when you know what you are against. But if you don't know your opponent beforehand and just go looking for a fight, battleship might not be the first choise for some pilots anymore. If heavy NOS was nerfed the usage of battleships would probably diminish, and what I'm trying to achieve with this thread is to find out just how many bs pilots would switch to smaller ships as a default PvP ship. So, as a result of your reply I'll rephrase my question from "flying/not flying" to "flying less".
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.02.15 18:51:00 - [37] First and foremost I'm a Megathron captain, that won't change. Yes, I use a single Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I on my setup, but if large Blasters got a CPU reduction other options would be available (down to 0.14 tf spare at the moment ). (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:16:00 - [38] WHAT nerf do you propose? The question is unanswerable without detail. It's a normal nos thread, in other words. So: Jim Steele, what sort of ECM affects nos? - only jamming, and frigates cannot jam effectively because of the massive cap usage. So no, that's no answer. Plus jamming protects against EVERYTHING short of FOF's and drones. Sincere MarkXIII, that depends entirely on the nature of a nerf. If a Vaga was taking 80-85 energy loss from a BS nos instead of 100 (as I propose), they will remain one of the best tools which can be used against them. Grimpak, hardly. The problem with the heavy nos is the lack of opportunity cost compared to every option for secondary highslot loadouts. Testy Mctest, I'll remember and ask you for your stuff when it comes then. PS, I have to say that some people changing from a BS to a Cruiser for small group PvP is hardly a tradgedy. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Antiochus	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:20:00 - [39] I PVP in an AF, so the poll doesnt apply to me...and im a little swayed by this issue but... the way i look at it is that NOS is one of the last works in every situation mods we got left. It works equally well against BS and inty. Compare this to those light drones. how do they work against BS? Or precision missles? I would be fine with a range increase on the NOS to make them better against BS...but some limitation against the smaller ships...or a way for the smaller ships to counter it...another fitting that would be specific to the tackling role.
Commander Thrawn	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Valea Silpha Originally by: Commander Thrawn Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 15/02/2006 17:27:12 Originally by: Jim Steele Quote: the only possible nerf is a range reduction of heavy nosferatu I to 19km... so you can tackle him with a 20k scrambler.... or increase the range of smalls to 20k, and large to 50-100k but give them tracking so they are only usfull on a BS, but really i dont think the nos is particulary overpowered and they are easliy countered with ECM. i think this says it all. NOS is the only realy defence against HAC's and a bunch of tacklers for a lone BS. But this can easily be countered. If you plan on attacker a BS with smaller ship, fit accordingly. Use jammers, end of story. as for the question, PVP alone = no pvp gang = sure Use jammers when you have 3 or 4 meds ? please ... I would fly either of my BS about as much as i do atm. Tempest with 1400's for hitting static target. Phoon with Ac and siege for chasing stuff down. I would still mainly fly cruisers for PvP. Personally i like that they have pretty good strike power but are cheap enough to***** up in and die. Bs are meant to be literally a 'battle ship' so flying them solo for any purpose isn't right. You folks ever thought about it like that ? lol 3 or 4 meds your nuts that's plenty, plus when ganking a battleship with AF and ints normaly you do it with more then one, you don't all have to be fitted this way one scrambles and webs, the other uses EW learn to pvp ppl, the tools are their use them or dont

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Gian Bal	Posted - 2006.02.15 20:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Jim Steele Quote: the only possible nerf is a range reduction of heavy nosferatu I to 19km... so you can tackle him with a 20k scrambler.... or increase the range of smalls to 20k, and large to 50-100k but give them tracking so they are only usfull on a BS, but really i dont think the nos is particulary overpowered and they are easliy countered with ECM. Why the hell tracking???? a nos is a device, no weapon! just give it a stacking penality! Voila, no nosdomi and nosapoc and wtf i know anymore, but still a valid defense unit, what it was indented to. am i wrong? you guys just don't see the point. IF they get tracking and gunnerystuff, they will get gunneryskills! in the end it will mean they will work far better then now. i don't want that, and anybody else other than a dominixpilot don't want that, too. with just the normal stacking penality, 2 is good, 3 valid, 4 and more close to useless. why do peaople always want heavy changes if something is not balanced... heavy changes have always led to heavy imbalances again, and it will continue that way. give them stacking, and heavy nos won't instakill cruisercaps anymore, and frigs will recharge at least the potion of cap they need to tackle ( if u are able to do some micromanagment). now who the hell wants tracking on an energy device????
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.02.15 20:19:00 - [43] Please, please switch to T2 frigates. I want more ideal targets for the cruisers out there. More cruisers means more cruiser/BC sized targets for my BS. And the cycle continues. Nerf away.
Tauruz	Posted - 2006.02.15 21:59:00 - [44] Yes of course I'd still use a BS. Anyone who knows how to PVP uses an intelligent setup that anticipates an opponent using a NOS against them. If they were nerfed, all it would do is free up a few slots and force the use of alternative modules. Assuming things progress as they have before, it would take the forum-whining idiot-masses a few weeks to discover their ineptitude at ship fitting was still causing them to lose ships and start crying nerf for some other module.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:04:00 - [45] I do not enjoy long range BS setups, so no, I would no longer be flying battleships. In fact, I would no longer be flying anything at all, since my subscription would be cancelled. Unless new options to help close-range battleships against smaller targets were implemented (and done so effectively) at the same time, a nerf to nosferatu would make a close range battleship setup pointless unless you're a missile boat (yes, I do fly a raven, but I also love my tempest and am tired of being nerfed to hell in every MMO I play just because a carebear started whining). -Wrayeth
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 15/02/2006 22:06:26 I do not enjoy long range BS setups, so no, I would no longer be flying battleships. In fact, I would no longer be flying anything at all, since my subscription would be cancelled. Unless new options to help close-range battleships against smaller targets were implemented (and done so effectively) at the same time, a nerf to nosferatu would make a close range battleship setup pointless unless you're a missile boat (yes, I do fly a raven, but I also love my tempest and am tired of being nerfed to hell in every MMO I play just because a carebear started whining and the devs made the mistake of taking them seriously). that is what they are counting on m8 If they had any idea of what they were asking, if they were being sincere, they would be proposing changes instead of screaming bloody murder and leaving the threads alone until they have a personal explanation or comment to jump and attack instead of the topic at hand. If I wanted to be ganked by roaming squishies with little defense I would be playing my lvl 50 tanks in City of Heroes in a PvP zone. They nerfed their big dog so much that a defender class ( think healer/debuffer ) can wtfbbq it. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:37:00 - [47] If you want to defend against frigates, fit for it. Say it comprimises your setup? Well, fitting for tackling does a LOT worse to a frigate setup. Close range BS can demolish other BS and cruisers VERY quickly. To complain that they, when caught solo (this being a MMO, that means you screwed up) by a wolfpack thet die means that there is BALANCE. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Mr Bright	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:40:00 - [48] Originally by: Maya Rkell If you want to defend against frigates, fit for it. Say it comprimises your setup? Well, fitting for tackling does a LOT worse to a frigate setup. Close range BS can demolish other BS and cruisers VERY quickly. To complain that they, when caught solo (this being a MMO, that means you screwed up) by a wolfpack thet die means that there is BALANCE. And if a close range BS with a few heavy nos is caught by a wolf pack it will be taken down regardless. so yes its balance, nos works as intended - leave it be.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:48:00 - [49] Only if it is a poor BS pilot. This comes from actual observation post-RMR on TQ. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Outa Rileau	Posted - 2006.02.15 22:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Tennessee Jack Excellent balance? Thats horse(insert dirty word). Nos Needs to be changed. Too many benefits with no real drawbacks. But to the pertaining question? No. NOS needs a change/to go. i dont see any drawbacks with my neutron blasters?

Commander Thrawn	Posted - 2006.02.15 23:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Maya Rkell If you want to defend against frigates, fit for it. Say it comprimises your setup? Well, fitting for tackling does a LOT worse to a frigate setup. Close range BS can demolish other BS and cruisers VERY quickly. To complain that they, when caught solo (this being a MMO, that means you screwed up) by a wolfpack thet die means that there is BALANCE. lol screw up, everyone knows that 0 traveling in a BS is uber slow. ITS a BS, so since everything on the planet can lock it and it can't hit frigs for ****, the balance to this is the nos. I think you are all forgetting something extremly simple. A "battleship", is bigger, more expensive and its a BATTLESHIP. A frig is a small support ship. Your not supposed to be able to kill a BS with a frig. if a lone PT boat attacks my Aegis cruiser, its going to lose. This is normal now any decent gang of :frigs"(note the plural to frigs) can, and will kill a BS whether it has nos or not.
Barek Ironfist	Posted - 2006.02.15 23:05:00 - [52] If Nos's are changed i will still be using my close range setups, just this time i will be using a large smart bomb instead of the nos in conjuntion with my officer webber, either way its still a dead frigate, and i will be thinking of this thread for every annoying inty gang that i swat off the face of the earth. http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/IXC/sig-barek-ascn-forums.jpg
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.15 23:16:00 - [53] Commander Thrawn, no, the unbalancing factor is the nos. Everyone knows you speak for them unwanted and out of turn. A BS has, indeed, a versatility, flexability, range and toughness frigates cannot dream of. This comes with tradeoffs. Using RL analogies is amusing but completely irellevant. Any DEACENT BS pilot can use nos to destroy a wolfpack one at a time. IME. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Bratak Matamulk	Posted - 2006.02.15 23:59:00 - [54] If they took away the most effective defensive weapon vs small to medium sized ships (that large weapons are less effective against) it would dissuade me from using BS, would i use them less, very likely I would use them less. I would attempt to use other means such as someone else posted a smartbomb, drones and good web. But the nos is very well situated in game....as others have said it doesnt need a nerf. A squishy/inty or AF should not be able to take out a BS. Frankly they should run when encountering one, unless they have a swarm of pals to help, and even then they should expect substantial losses against a greater ship. If i get hit by a pack of frigs in one of my BS i feel disappointed in myself if i cant kill them all if not a majority of them before either getting away or dying myself, if a BS cant take out a few frigs from a swarm on its way down then there is something way more broken in this game than NOS. This is the way it is supposed to be. I would ask should a Dreadnaught be able to roast a BS, anyone with sense would or should say yes...likewise a BS or should be able to make frigs run...and unless they have superior numbers or a good mix of ew that should be there defense from battleships, running. Unless the BS pilot is dedicating a lot of his setup to instalock frig popping setup you should be able to get away if you are in a frig. Therefore the BS are not really a threat unless you are stupid enough to let them be. Its simple. You see a BS in your merlin or harpy or whatever...unless you are feeling ballsy....run...and nos has no involvment or discussion of omgsounfairoverpwrdplsnerf i lost my harpy to a RAVEN. If you do feel frisky, or stupid depending on the situation, then stick around and give frig vs bs a shot...it may work it may not. I have some killmails i am very proud of from this type of stupidity....and a poor setup on the BS part. Like BS kills from a harpy, or ganking a hac in an af or t1 cruiser, you have to risk to get stuff to gain or brag about...but no one says you have to risk it if you dont want. It would depend however on what the nos nerf would be...but to change/nerf nos would be to overpower other shipclasses they are setup to be able to currently counter. EW or passive tanking is the easiest two ways to overcome NOS. But nos is not broken, we just have some people who like to whine in eve and hopefully the devs will evaluate the situation on their own instead of listening to the unoriginal nerf crowd...please put the nerf bat down. T The game is becoming more complex, not less. I am all for new mods instead of messing with current ones. Maybe put some mod in game to defend against nos...in some way beyond what we have, like a hardener against nos. Be creative with the requests is all i am asking. The nerf bat has been brought down on the raven...and dual warp raven....the platerax....etc....and now it looks as though yielding it have NOS in their sights next. Please disregard the foundless claims of the Nerf crowd. But if they change it to OP yes I would use bs far less if the most effective tool was taken away...i would be then in my blaster harpy ganking helpless bs again that could no longer keep me at bay, as they currently can with NOS.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.16 00:02:00 - [55] Bratak Matamulk, then why do you care about nos? The most effective weapon are DRONES. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Bratak Matamulk	Posted - 2006.02.16 00:15:00 - [56] You will note that i mentioned defensive weapon. NOS is primarily a defensive weapon for BS. It causes no damage, and is a serious deterrent for smaller ships to get close to a BS. If you take away a ships defenses...would you fly it less. I would say yes would be the most common answer to that question. Drones do damage...NOS is a defensive tool for the majority of the time. It is used to cut down on enemy tankability or close range combat which is the frig vs bs format...get in close and orbit fast. Besides...NOS plus drones works well....but Smartbombs and your own drones...not such a hot pair.... Unless you are gonna tell me to fit frig guns in high slots instead of nos this would crater a domi in game. Couldnt use smartbombs as it wwould be hittin own drones. Nos is just fine, to change it would do more harm than good to the game overall and would be a huge error, unless some serious thinking on the part of the devs went into how to change it.
Bratak Matamulk	Posted - 2006.02.16 00:17:00 - [57] Game is back online by the way....
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.16 00:20:00 - [58] See, that nos is defensive is an opinion. I have found them FAR more potent when used as offensive weapons against frigates, used to strip their cap (and thus tank) before my missiles and drones go after them. As you note, smartbombs and drones can interact negatively. Nothing interacts negatively with nos, which is the problem. I want more useful "dual" guns, which would give the Dom yet another option. Nos stand out like a sore thumb when you examine modules and their drawbacks. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command


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