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Random Thug
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Posted - 2006.02.15 18:49:00 -
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Is mining in lowsec actually more profitable than mining in highsec?
Do you have alot of ship/clone losses?
Do you actually have members protecting the op, or do you just dock when hostiles come in?
The reason I ask all this, is because I have some friends who mine, and they are asking me if its more profitable to mine in lowsec. I told them it was, but then I got to thinking...how can it be more profitable? The few times I've looked at the roids in lowsec, it tends to be the same crap you see in highsec, huge veld roids sprinkled with small pieces of omber, kernite, jaspet, and so forth.
So tell me the real deal. Is it worthwhile for newbie miners to move their ops to lowsec?
I fly around lowsec all the time, its always full of campers, pirates, and basically people looking for something to kill, so how do miners survive in such a volatile environment?
Thank you.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.02.15 18:55:00 -
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the lower the sec rating of the system, (generally) the more valuable the ores. Especially once your below 0.5
However, if you loose ships every time your down their to pirates (npc and player) then you actually make more money in empire where its safe.
Most miners don't have someone in their belt protecting them, just keep an eye on local for anyone with a negative security status. And when they show up, hide, or keep mining until someone enters your belt 
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Posted - 2006.02.15 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 15/02/2006 18:56:15
The key question 1) how far you have to go to refine the ore and 2) are they lots of camps?
If your in an alliance everyone looks after each other, so if hostiles warp in there is a friendly gang within close proxima...
If you want to mine, solo in 0.0 though i reccomend the art of Ninja mining (oh and a decent set of insta-jump bookmarks) plus a safe spotted hauler.
A good ninja mining rig is the Osprey, just dont try it in claimed space since we'll come after you  /me shakes fist
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Sebastien LeReparteur
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Posted - 2006.02.15 18:57:00 -
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Well is you can find omber in high sec by the plenty it is better.
Else the running/docking option is used for us. in NO sec space 0.0 you can often do things for an hour or two without ppl coming in the system so you can be lucky and the rcks are sometimes bigger. If you can get an ops protection it is always better but not always the most available or fructifull situation. PVP won't mind engaging the ops protector.
Deep 0.0 is dangerous and more complicated you either need a POS to refine or you have to haul the rock to a station for refining. You put time to haul/ore value may or may not be your best option.
But again POS have to be fulled and defended...
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Sapha
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Posted - 2006.02.15 19:13:00 -
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Lowsec is more profitable
you can have a lot of ship/clone losses if your not careful or are just unlucky
Yes you have members protect you, and yes you dock went hostiles come in. even with a protector there is no reason to take extra risks.
Basically you survive in low-sec space by hideing from hostiles. Make a safe spot in the system (that is a bookmark that isnt near anything eles) If you want to pull a nice profit you need to find a system with more rare ores, go further into 0.0.
Be aware, most Alliances and claimed regions are off limits. You may need to get rights to be in the system or they will hunt you down and destroy your op (includeing your protector) Or you can just join an alliance and have free travel in their space.
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Random Thug
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Posted - 2006.02.15 19:19:00 -
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Yeah this is what I figured.
It didnt look like the ores in lowsec were THAT much more valuable than the ones in highsec. With the danger level of actually being there, I don't really see an incentive to being in lowsec.
Be nice if there were communities in lowsec, like there are in 0.0.
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.02.15 19:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Random Thug
Yeah this is what I figured.
It didnt look like the ores in lowsec were THAT much more valuable than the ones in highsec. With the danger level of actually being there, I don't really see an incentive to being in lowsec.
Be nice if there were communities in lowsec, like there are in 0.0.
there was an ore calculator i saw a while ago that stacked up the mins refined from each ore... i cant recall it now but it bascially boiled down to 27000 m3 of omber it said was around 6 mil. the best low sec ore was around 20 something million :) thats almost 4x the profits
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Salsa
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Posted - 2006.02.15 19:37:00 -
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I moved out to low sec here not long ago, before I was more of an empire builder/miner. The rats in empire just suck, the bounty's are pathetic and the loot is even worse. The main benefit to mining in empire is your ability to mine constant without the threat of PVP pirates. You can mine more but it takes more minerals to make a profit.
In low sec I make probably double than what I did in empire. Just the rats at belts and their loot make it worthwhile for me to spend time hunting there. But again there are much greater risks in low sec and 0.0 space.
I wouldnt advise setting up in low sec until you've setup bm's in/out of low sec and back to empire...I'd also suggest setting up at least 1-2 safe spots for your travel bm's and 2-3 safe spots for systems you intend to mine/hunt in... plus I wouldnt even consider mining at belts without mining bm's (not bad when mining but as you'll definatly want them for your hauler).
Try to find a system with a few exits and make bm's to those systems too...don't trap yourself! I also make bm's to stations where I can build/repair/medical if my base of operations doesnt have them.
When I mine or hunt I always have local open, and I have scanner minimized. If I don't know the person that enters system I open scanner and hit scan while I read their info. If their bio and sec rating looks ok I wait for the scan to finish and see what ship they are in. If their ship is something that poses a risk I warp to safe spot or to station....better safe than sorry. Kinda funny when ya get paranoid and run from a mammoth lol. It shouldnt take you too long to figure out who is a carebear and who is a pirate.
I guess the moral to the story is yeah you can make more but you gotta pay attention and do your homework (bm's). Get to know the locals and never get overconfident....there is always somebody out there that can, and will kill you if given the chance. |
Sebastien LeReparteur
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Posted - 2006.02.15 19:41:00 -
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if your ever go in low to no security space jsut make sur to always be aligned for warp!
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Jackson S
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Posted - 2006.02.15 19:50:00 -
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It's all about safety, and the more paranoid you are the longer you'll live. A good thing to do is to accept it as fact that if a player with <0 security status and a bounty on their head comes into local, they're looking for you. Just dock at the station and wait it out. (Of course, sometimes these people are just moving through the system on their way somewhere, but why gamble your ship on it?)
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