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Sibius Aidon
Prototype Concept
Divide By Zero Alliance
19
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:19:00 -
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I've always heard to go for guns vs missiles when it comes to PvP. However, I don't see that this is true being that missiles never miss, and you can't slow their tracking speed, and the only true defense are defender missiles and distance. I know that a small sig radius makes it harder for missiles to give out full damage just the same as guns with slow tracking but, wouldn't say, using rapid lights or heavy assaults loaded with the T2 long range missiles be just as effect for hitting frigs just the same as smaller caliber guns? The only diff is with missiles all I'd have to do is swap ammo to deal with frigs and larger targets alike. Why choose guns over missiles? |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1724
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:22:00 -
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The textbook reason people will give you is that guns apply their damage instantly. Missiles take some (sometimes a long) time to reach their target. This gives your enemy plenty of time to react and makes coordinated alpha strikes more difficult.
However in practice both turrets and missiles have their uses, and neither is inherently superior to the other. |
Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
176
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:26:00 -
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Horses for courses really. Rapid Light Missiles are getting a buff next week I believe. I have most weapon platforms trained to Tech 2 and I honestly believe that all have them have their raison d'etre.
If you want to hit frigates with missiles - then I would use Rockets (PVE) and light missiles (PVP).
If you want pure punching power for ratting in anomalies/missions then Torpedos for large targets. And for Turrets I would use 800mm Autocannons. Alot of it depends on your SP in the tech tree - and your play style... do you like to get in close and scrap it out or warp to distance and snipe.
I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17389
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:34:00 -
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WeeellGǪ.
The short and sweet of it is that missiles can be wasted; turret shots cannot. Missiles do predictable and semi-constant damage; turrets do statistical damage. Turret deficiencies can be compensated for through proper flying; missiles cannot.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate
WHY so Seri0Us
2515
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:53:00 -
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Galadriel Vasquez wrote:If you want to hit frigates with missiles - then I would use Rockets (PVE) and light missiles (PVP).
Both are perfectly good for PVP and PVE.
Dodixie > Hek |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7242
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:09:00 -
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Stealth 'Nerf Missiles' thread.
Seeing as that missiles are in question, its also a stealth 'Nerf Tengu' thread.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Vito Tattaglia
Shinigami Miners
Synthetic Systems
161
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:11:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth 'Nerf Missiles' thread.
Seeing as that missiles are in question, its also a stealth 'Nerf Tengu' thread.
Seeing how Tengus are sold in hi sec and can also fit cloaks, this is also a stealth "nerf hi sec" and "nerf afk cloaking" thread. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
198
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:35:00 -
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Considering RLMLs are getting nerfed and they were the only really effective medium missile system, it's probably a bad time to waste any skill points on missiles unless you've got battleship plans in your future (cruises are pretty awesome now) |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
4299
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:45:00 -
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Vito Tattaglia wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth 'Nerf Missiles' thread.
Seeing as that missiles are in question, its also a stealth 'Nerf Tengu' thread. Seeing how Tengus are sold in hi sec and can also fit cloaks, this is also a stealth "nerf hi sec" and "nerf afk cloaking" thread.
Considering that Tengus can be sold to finance supercapital purchases and can also fit command modules, this is also a stealth "nerf Supers" and "nerf off-grid boosting" thread.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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destiny2
Perkone
Caldari State
253
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Posted - 2013.11.13 23:31:00 -
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I got insta popped ina fully fitted faction/deadspace fitted nightmare by a leviathan usein citadel torps and 2 target painters, talk about heartbreaking 
glad it was only singularity or that would of been a 12 bill isk nightmare dead :D |
Jax Zaden
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
13
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Posted - 2013.11.13 23:41:00 -
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Like has been said above - both have their place.
Missiles are consistent damage profiles that you can choose damage types with. They don't miss (though damage can be mitigated in a multitude of ways). The con is that it's delayed damage. Because of that you can have wasted volleys which means wasted time which is brutal. Also because it's consistent there really isn't an upside to damage only a downside.
Turrets are instant damage and based on positioning can increase the damage profile. The downside is that they are literally hit or miss and damage is not 100% selectable (at least not for maximum damage). Also 2 of the 3 turret types hit the cap.
I use both depending on the situation and just to keep things interesting. In either case, its all about adjusting you game play to compliment your load out - in my opinion, missiles are a little bit of easy mode and turrets are a little more management.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7249
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:21:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Vito Tattaglia wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth 'Nerf Missiles' thread.
Seeing as that missiles are in question, its also a stealth 'Nerf Tengu' thread. Seeing how Tengus are sold in hi sec and can also fit cloaks, this is also a stealth "nerf hi sec" and "nerf afk cloaking" thread. Considering that Tengus can be sold to finance supercapital purchases and can also fit command modules, this is also a stealth "nerf Supers" and "nerf off-grid boosting" thread.
Tengus are made with moon goo and WH materials...so this is also a 'Nerf Moon Goo" and "Nerf WH" thread.
Also, since 'moon goo' and 'goons' cannot be said independent of each other, this is also a 'Nerf goons' thread.
And since one cannot 'nerf' goons without saying it..this is also a 'Grrrrrrrr Goons!' thread.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jim Era
7652
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:25:00 -
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Since missiles are launched this would actually be a thread begging for more snowball launchers? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
600
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:27:00 -
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There may have been a degree of truth to turrets>missiles a long time ago, but not anymore tbh. At every level of pvp, there are missile boats that can do well. Hell, you occasionally see a raven fleet these days....which is just damn weird. Missile frigs, cruisers, and BS doing solo, small gang, or large fleet are all things that happen.
Except for Phoenix. Never ever phoenix. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7249
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:42:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:There may have been a degree of truth to turrets>missiles a long time ago, but not anymore tbh. At every level of pvp, there are missile boats that can do well. Hell, you occasionally see a raven fleet these days....which is just damn weird. Missile frigs, cruisers, and BS doing solo, small gang, or large fleet are all things that happen.
Except for Phoenix. Never ever phoenix.
Stop derailing the derailment. Now start speculating on what kind of stealth thread this is or we will report you. 
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
4299
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Posted - 2013.11.14 01:11:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Except for Phoenix. Never ever phoenix.
As true of the city as of the ship.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
644
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Posted - 2013.11.14 01:24:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Vito Tattaglia wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth 'Nerf Missiles' thread.
Seeing as that missiles are in question, its also a stealth 'Nerf Tengu' thread. Seeing how Tengus are sold in hi sec and can also fit cloaks, this is also a stealth "nerf hi sec" and "nerf afk cloaking" thread. Considering that Tengus can be sold to finance supercapital purchases and can also fit command modules, this is also a stealth "nerf Supers" and "nerf off-grid boosting" thread. Tengus are made with moon goo and WH materials...so this is also a 'Nerf Moon Goo" and "Nerf WH" thread. Also, since 'moon goo' and 'goons' cannot be said independent of each other, this is also a 'Nerf goons' thread. And since one cannot 'nerf' goons without saying it..this is also a 'Grrrrrrrr Goons!' thread.
And Goonswarm also deserves some Ishukone Scorpions, much like Somer (didn't). Considering that Scorpions use ECM as a primary weapon, this is now also a "nerf ECM" thread. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
660
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Posted - 2013.11.14 02:12:00 -
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Missiles you can activate and not have to worry about other considerations. As long as they are in range, they'll do damage. Guns, you have to take into account alot more factors, Optimal range being the main one. That being said, damage is applied instantly, no need to wait out missile travel-times, and you can deal more damage if you start getting critical hits. Tho, do it wrong, and you can end up applying hardly any damage at all.
So it all depends on how much you want to be thinking about during a fight.
Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
734
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Posted - 2013.11.14 02:50:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Vito Tattaglia wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth 'Nerf Missiles' thread.
Seeing as that missiles are in question, its also a stealth 'Nerf Tengu' thread. Seeing how Tengus are sold in hi sec and can also fit cloaks, this is also a stealth "nerf hi sec" and "nerf afk cloaking" thread. Considering that Tengus can be sold to finance supercapital purchases and can also fit command modules, this is also a stealth "nerf Supers" and "nerf off-grid boosting" thread.
As Off-grid boosting is generally used by alts of 'solo pirates', this is also a nerf-alts and nerf-solo-pvp thread.
Edit: Oh I forgot Hek > dodixie |
Sibius Aidon
Prototype Concept
Divide By Zero Alliance
19
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Posted - 2013.11.14 03:47:00 -
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Heck no. It ain't any of those things. This is a nerf cookies thread. |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
Setting The Universe on Fire
167
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Posted - 2013.11.14 04:14:00 -
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AS most things have been said already here
Im gonna say guns are better. As the Gunnery support skills apply to 3 weapons systems. Missiles only apply to 1. |
destiny2
Perkone
Caldari State
256
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Posted - 2013.11.14 06:21:00 -
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When it comes to structure shootings, i still love my Pheonix, reminds me of a grey twinkie
not to mention the effects missile have over turrets sooo pretty. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
121
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Posted - 2013.11.14 06:29:00 -
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confirming I use missiles primarily so I can make "FWOOOSH!" noises while spinning in my chair. Unfortunately this sometimes causes me to spill my drink and generally alarms the cats. |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence
Nulli Secunda
37
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Posted - 2013.11.14 09:30:00 -
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Since one needs to test the lagg differences between guns and missiles for massive fleet fights fought by alliances;
This is also a nerf TiDi and nerf TESTalliance thread |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
192
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:55:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:There may have been a degree of truth to turrets>missiles a long time ago, but not anymore tbh. At every level of pvp, there are missile boats that can do well. Hell, you occasionally see a raven fleet these days....which is just damn weird. Missile frigs, cruisers, and BS doing solo, small gang, or large fleet are all things that happen.
Except for Phoenix. Never ever phoenix. Stop derailing the derailment. Now start speculating on what kind of stealth thread this is or we will report you.
CLEARLY this is a stealth nerf Rockomax RT-10 Solid Fuel Booster thread.
Just donGÇÖt ask me how.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
122
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:58:00 -
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This is actually a "nerf spinning in chairs" thread. I knows it to be true.
Edit: If anyone suggests nerfing alcohol I shall personally gut them like a fish and do a little dance while wearing their face as a mask... in game of course. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
4302
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:53:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote:CLEARLY this is a stealth nerf Rockomax RT-10 Solid Fuel Booster thread.
Just donGÇÖt ask me how.
Just reduce the atmospheric ISP. Burns out quicker, so you need more of them to make your frankenstein asparagus staged monster get off the ground.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7273
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:14:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Mythrandier wrote:CLEARLY this is a stealth nerf Rockomax RT-10 Solid Fuel Booster thread.
Just donGÇÖt ask me how.
Just reduce the atmospheric ISP. Burns out quicker, so you need more of them to make your frankenstein asparagus staged monster get off the ground.
Are you implying that this is a 'Nerf KSP' thread?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
4302
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:18:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Are you implying that this is a 'Nerf KSP' thread?
Nerf ISP. Because I is supposed to mean it's complex.
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