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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.02.16 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: CB Apollo on 16/02/2006 15:17:29
I need your brains people, I got 500mil and want to buy a nice fraction set to passive tank a raven.
BUT I need it to out preform t2. Some parts will be (6x Cruise II), this is a NPC setup, but rat type not known as yet.
I want the HIGHEST damage per second PASSIVE tank, damage output is not a problem, not really wanting nos.
Mixing fraction mods types like TrueSansha and Dred etc is ok, im more interested in performance.
So give me general prices and mods and setup etc...
...waiting for the passive god to post know, Potsey?
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Suhadi
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Posted - 2006.02.16 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Suhadi on 16/02/2006 15:59:30
 Originally by: CB Apollo
Edited by: CB Apollo on 16/02/2006 15:17:29
I need your brains people, I got 500mil and want to buy a nice fraction set to passive tank a raven.
BUT I need it to out preform t2. Some parts will be (6x Cruise II), this is a NPC setup, but rat type not known as yet.
I want the HIGHEST damage per second PASSIVE tank, damage output is not a problem, not really wanting nos.
Mixing fraction mods types like TrueSansha and Dred etc is ok, im more interested in performance.
So give me general prices and mods and setup etc...
...waiting for the passive god to post know, Potsey?
You don't mention resists, so I'm going to ignore those and focus purely on regen rate. Also, Quickfit doesn't list faction mods so I'm basing this on T2, though obviously if you're going to swap in faction stuff it will presumably only improve the performance.
So, sorry I can't help you with details on specific mods, but the general layout that will get you the best regen rate I can find is:
Hislots:
Whatever
Midslots:
3x Large Shield Extenders
3x Shield Rechargers
Lowslots:
5x Shield Power Relays
However, it's a very close call between 3x Extenders 3x Rechargers, and 4x Extenders 2x Rechargers... you may want to go with the extra extender for the shield HP since I don't think you'd ever have a fight long enough for the tiny difference in regen to matter as much as the extra HP. Either way it should give you better regen than an XL booster (at the expense of all your slots).
In-game you can show info on a standard mod and go to the Variations tab to get the stats of faction types, to check which ones are best.
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Adril Alatar
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Posted - 2006.02.16 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Suhadi
Edited by: Suhadi on 16/02/2006 15:59:30
Also, Quickfit doesn't list faction mods so I'm basing this on T2, though obviously if you're going to swap in faction stuff it will presumably only improve the performance.
Quick Fit has faction gear but its not in the list, you have to search for it.
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Suhadi
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Posted - 2006.02.16 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Adril Alatar
Originally by: Suhadi
Edited by: Suhadi on 16/02/2006 15:59:30
Also, Quickfit doesn't list faction mods so I'm basing this on T2, though obviously if you're going to swap in faction stuff it will presumably only improve the performance.
Quick Fit has faction gear but its not in the list, you have to search for it.
Ah! Thanks, didn't know that. 
Doesn't seem to help much in this case, seems to be a bit light on faction shield extenders, rechargers and relays. Only improvement I could see over T2 that might even be possible to get is a "Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender"... and I'm not even sure about that. Best to check in game I think, not sure if the Quickfit database is complete.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.02.16 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/02/2006 17:00:17
Sorry I donÆt have time to work this out in detail but it should make a usefull guide line.
Get both the 5% shield recharge implant and 5% shield hitpoint implant. Then fit 2 dread Invulnerability Fields, 3 large T2 shield extenders. 5 shield relays. If cap is a problems swap 1 relay for 1 PDS, if that fails add a 2nd PDS.
If I get time I will work out the best ratio of Invulnerability FieldÆs and extenders. If you still have isk free after the dread Invulnerability Fields you could hunt for faction shield extenders. Or buy better then the dread fields.
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Khabok
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Posted - 2006.02.16 17:06:00 -
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Fraction mods? |
Bazman
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Posted - 2006.02.16 17:49:00 -
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might want to find out if shield rechargers and shield power relays stack, crappy stacking penalties and all that
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Aiolos Caci
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Posted - 2006.02.16 20:49:00 -
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Look Ma! I'm in a passive shield tanking thread!  Could someone please explain it to me, a simple village idiot... Why bother with passive tanks when the active ones are so much cheaper, work better, and are tunable to deal with whatever incoming damage you want.
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Arakasai
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Posted - 2006.02.16 20:59:00 -
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Because he wants to?
Some people do not want to have to worry about clicking Shield Boosters On/Off.
Some people (myself included) have a capacitor display bug. Nothing like hearing "The Capacitor is Empty" when you have 40% showing.
That said, my Raven is Active. My Ferox however is Passive.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.02.16 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/02/2006 21:08:12
ôWhy bother with passive tanks when the active ones are so much cheaper, work better, and are tunable to deal with whatever incoming damage you want.ö
Active tanks are not always better and they are more costly, not cheaper. That and a passive tank is also tuneable to deal with whatever incoming damage you want.
As a passive tank I can heal 160 to 200HP/s regen with 20k hitpoints 23/7 with no cap drain depending on ship. My command ship can tank 1000 to 1500 DPS as a passive tank depending on incoming damage type. Active tanks cannot match that.
Other advantages are 99% immune to Nos. You can totally forget about your defence as its always on. No need to remember to turn on a shield booster and no cycling boosters on and off to balance cap. Just warp in do the mission have fun and warp out. Level 3 missions are pretty much 100% safe.
Anyone who thinks a nos ship is deadly should meet my Energy Destabilizer passive tank. It useÆs Energy Neutralizer over Nos so drains far more cap then any Nos setup.
Saying that some ships are better off as active tanks some passive. Look at the ship and choose the best method. Say you have a brutix with 37.5% to amour repairers then there is no reason to choose a passive tank. But a Caldari Navy Hookbill can have 45 HP/s+ as a passive tank but as an active tank it hardly hits 15 HP/s. So no reason to active tank it.
ömight want to find out if shield rechargers and shield power relays stack, crappy stacking penalties and all thatö
There are no stacking penalties for these modules.
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Zanthe
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Posted - 2006.02.16 21:15:00 -
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The best passive I have been able to get for my raven, is
4L t2 ext, 2 hardeners(choose your type)
5 relays
Most of my shield skills are at 4 currently not 5. I haven't had any problems with lvl 4 missions so far. And on lvl3s I can sleep through them while aggroing in entire mission.
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Mystrin
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Posted - 2006.02.17 08:20:00 -
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Ok I have seen this several times when someone asks about a passive tank, the suggestion of using invulnerability fields which are active hardners. Is that really concidered a passive tank then since it relies upon the cap for the hardners? Just curious as this has me a little confused as a passive tank in my mind would be one that requires no active mods. Just looking for some clarification on this.
Thank you.
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Asurix
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Posted - 2006.02.17 08:32:00 -
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i think invul fields aren't considdered passive, since they do use cap but i think these people mean a tank you can run forever without touching anything, and don't need to pay any attention to tank, but in that case with my gisti xl booster, it would be considdered a passive tank too ;) so i guess a passive tank is a tank without a booster/repper hehe
on armor a passive tank is a tank that doesn't use active hardeners (energized nano's, stuff like that, mainly for HAC's and stuff)
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.02.17 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: CB Apollo
Edited by: CB Apollo on 16/02/2006 15:17:29
I need your brains people, I got 500mil and want to buy a nice fraction set to passive tank a raven.
BUT I need it to out preform t2. Some parts will be (6x Cruise II), this is a NPC setup, but rat type not known as yet.
I want the HIGHEST damage per second PASSIVE tank, damage output is not a problem, not really wanting nos.
Mixing fraction mods types like TrueSansha and Dred etc is ok, im more interested in performance.
So give me general prices and mods and setup etc...
...waiting for the passive god to post know, Potsey?
passivetanking for l4's issen't to clever, have one of you two remote shield/energy boosting and run a standard raven setup insted
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david1090879
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Posted - 2006.02.17 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Arakasai
Some people (myself included) have a capacitor display bug. Nothing like hearing "The Capacitor is Empty" when you have 40% showing.
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This is something I have had and fixed, what you need to do is check youre date and time agiast the clock in eve. Even if its right get a timesync program that sets it to the atomic clock and then try.
Dont ask me why - this seemed to fix it.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.02.17 12:45:00 -
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ôpassivetanking for l4's issen't to clever, have one of you two remote shield/energy boosting and run a standard raven setup insteadö
How do you work that out? So soloing a lvl 4 mission as a passive tank without warping out is not clever? But running a weaker active tank that needs a 2nd person with a remote shield booter is a better idea?
If your ships good for it then passive tanking for level 4Æs is a good idea.
ôIs that really concidered a passive tank then since it relies upon the cap for the hardners?ö
The definition of a passive tank is a tank that useÆs less then 20% cap for defence and does not have a shield booster or amour repairer. If it fits any size booster or repairer itÆs a hybrid or active tank. If the defence takes up 50%+ cap then its also a hybrid tank.
Invul fields also have a passive mode but there is little reason to use it as active is better. When you have a passive tank there is no point letting all your cap go to waste.
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