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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:21:00 -
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So with the up coming Rubicon update we'll get the mobile depot as a sort of mini base.
But I'm wondering how good will the mobile depot be as a base of operations in an empty wormhole? Its cheap and has no running cost of a POS, sure it doesn't have any shield but its still a got a 48 hour reinforcement timer so you can escape if people come in and attack it. And if you have a tech 3 you can use the refitting service.
Or am I misreading the situation and its pretty useless in wormholes as a base of operations? |
Caius Beriat
Blackstar Privateers
Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:24:00 -
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Well it's going to offer you no form of protection, so when those evil pew pew corps come rolling through you'll need to cloak up or logoff. |
Setsune Rin
Collapsed Out
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:00:00 -
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it's almost exactly like using an orca to do it, not a terrible idea but kinda risky |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:17:00 -
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Setsune Rin wrote:it's almost exactly like using an orca to do it, not a terrible idea but kinda risky
yes but is the risk worth the ISK you can make? |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:22:00 -
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Setsune Rin wrote:it's almost exactly like using an orca to do it, not a terrible idea but kinda risky
Its worse then an orca cause, the hut cant be cloaked and stays in space where it is probable unless you pack it away. Ofc if you pack it away you have to deal with all that cargo it is carrying, which kinda defeats the point of having it in the first place.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:31:00 -
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I dont see it even in combat situations.
Edit: well I was thinking in wspace situation at least. Why would I want a staging point that doesnt have defenses, right.
Then, again, if I am staging 2 or 3 of the target It could be, but you have better options, like a cloaky hauler. |
notha atfast
Jabba Industries INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:40:00 -
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I can see it used for Day Tripping. T3 with full cov ops nulli fit. Scan down a place to hide and then switch over to full damage mods and subs. Run sites for tags and get those ribbons. Then pack it up and bring your 1 bil in loot right back out in a full nulli fit.
Does the new depot create an auto warp to beacon...like the SOV structure does? |
trevormax
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:03:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Setsune Rin wrote:it's almost exactly like using an orca to do it, not a terrible idea but kinda risky Its worse then an orca cause, the hut cant be cloaked and stays in space where it is probable unless you pack it away. Ofc if you pack it away you have to deal with all that cargo it is carrying, which kinda defeats the point of having it in the first place.
I don't have a link to it but I am sure I have seen a dev say the depot is not probable however if you are parked next to it in your ship, they can find it by probing you. |
sparklybooboo
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:05:00 -
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Caius Beriat wrote:Well it's going to offer you no form of protection, so when those evil pew pew corps come rolling through you'll need to cloak up or logoff.
POS'ing up is the only viable option to those two. Hey, at least he has choices! |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:12:00 -
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right so in most situations using a depot to lead an operation in a WH isn't going to work and is too risky beyond a day trip.
Worth a chance but I doubt it will be worth it.
Pity |
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Vhalasedai
Belt Club
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:14:00 -
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notha atfast wrote:I can see it used for Day Tripping. T3 with full cov ops nulli fit. Scan down a place to hide and then switch over to full damage mods and subs. Run sites for tags and get those ribbons. Then pack it up and bring your 1 bil in loot right back out in a full nulli fit.
This sounds like a good way to use it, agree.
Solo and small gang PvP in nullsec, lowsec and w-space: http://expected-value.blogspot.de/ |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:43:00 -
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I expect everyone to anchor these things next to their capital ships ? Will allow u to refit your ship if no carrier is near. |
7enn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:35:00 -
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Here's the optimal usage in wh:
Set KWIF to red. Follow one of them from Jita to their wh entrance. Drop a scout in. When the system is clear of KWIFFERs drop your little space hut off a planet. Cloak a HIC and some T3 battlecruisers at appropriate ranges (out of proteus point range for example). Have a drake make a few wrecks on d-scan then loiter at the space hut. Wait for their combat probes to spring the trap.
Killing the sleepers will light up their mapping tool. Once they see the activity on their tool they will head that way.
If you get the lone proteus/loki - uncloak gank and loot.
If you get the 40 man glory fleet - uncloak and gank their guardians and see if they hang in for more losses or run once their guardian safety blanket is popped.
Disclaimer - kill it with fire was used only as an example. I chose them because of their kool ticker - KWIF and the ability to use KWIFFERS. It's only logical that this will work on any wh group that has an active KB and goes to Jita to shop/sell loots. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:48:00 -
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7enn wrote:Here's the optimal usage in wh:
Set KWIF to red. Follow one of them from Jita to their wh entrance. Drop a scout in. When the system is clear of KWIFFERs drop your little space hut off a planet. Cloak a HIC and some T3 battlecruisers at appropriate ranges (out of proteus point range for example). Have a drake make a few wrecks on d-scan then loiter at the space hut. Wait for their combat probes to spring the trap.
Killing the sleepers will light up their mapping tool. Once they see the activity on their tool they will head that way.
If you get the lone proteus/loki - uncloak gank and loot.
If you get the 40 man glory fleet - uncloak and gank their guardians and see if they hang in for more losses or run once their guardian safety blanket is popped.
Disclaimer - kill it with fire was used only as an example. I chose them because of their kool ticker - KWIF and the ability to use KWIFFERS. It's only logical that this will work on any wh group that has an active KB and goes to Jita to shop/sell loots.
I was thinking more about the lone operator. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:05:00 -
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trevormax wrote:Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Setsune Rin wrote:it's almost exactly like using an orca to do it, not a terrible idea but kinda risky Its worse then an orca cause, the hut cant be cloaked and stays in space where it is probable unless you pack it away. Ofc if you pack it away you have to deal with all that cargo it is carrying, which kinda defeats the point of having it in the first place. I don't have a link to it but I am sure I have seen a dev say the depot is not probable however if you are parked next to it in your ship, they can find it by probing you.
Absolutely wrong. The upgraded versions are harder to probe, but still probable.
Relevant quote from the dev post:
"Fans of the Mobile Depot will also be enjoying two special upgraded variants available at the launch of Rubicon. Blueprints to manufacture the GÇÿWetuGÇÖ Mobile Depot and GÇÿYurtGÇÖ Mobile Depot will both be available only as loot in RubiconGÇÖs new rare Ghost Sites. These variants will enjoy more cargo space and will be much harder for players to find using scan probes."
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
7enn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:18:00 -
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Any ganker worth his salt can adjust as needed as the situation occurs. I just went with my example so I could use KWIFFERs in a post. |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii
The 20 Minuters
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:12:00 -
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I foresee a use of these in my squatting career. Having the capability to refit and restock ships will come in very handy in an extended trip into someones wormhole. And with the 48 hour invulnerability, coupled with the option of scooping it while invulnerable I also foresee me misusing the **** out of this mechanic. 
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:58:00 -
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They can be scanned down with probes as i hear.
But for daytripping use or an emergency refit it can be quite handy. |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:23:00 -
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The most advanced version is ALMOST impossible to scan down, nothing short of virtue implants will find it (unless they have nerfed it).
I think it will serve perfectly well for a mobile base, as long as you log in daily youll be fine, since you can never lose your stuff, no one is going to camp you for two days just to kill your depot, unless your living in their system. Even if you are, as long as you come in, and move ytour stuff youll never lose it.
Risk vs reward the t1 versions are cheap as dirt, less than 1M so you can use them as throwaways too.
The Wormhole Kid |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:57:00 -
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Since it takes only one minute to activate, you can easily launch it, watch dscan while waiting for it to online, refit / repair / fit probes/cloak / swap subs etc. in no time. It doesn't offer the comyness of a forcefield, but you can still switch to a cloak, scoop, cloak up and have tea with guests :>
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=288823&find=unread
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Justin Perelta
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:51:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Since it takes only one minute to activate, you can easily launch it, watch dscan while waiting for it to online, refit / repair / fit probes/cloak / swap subs etc. in no time. It doesn't offer the comyness of a forcefield, but you can still switch to a cloak, scoop, cloak up and have tea with guests :>
Exactly. Who cares if it is scannable, you shouldn't leave it deployed unless using it. You don't need 3000m^3 of space since you're not soloing a C3 in an Industrial to begin with. Bring a medium secure container in your T3/BC. Anchor it at a deep safe, put your depot in it. Refit for DPS, run sites. Refit for tractor/salvage (or use the tractor deployable), collect your blue loot and nano ribbons (which take hardly any cargo space), drop off at your container (which is 100% unprobeable). Repeat until all sites are done. Refit for cloak/nulli, haul your stuff and loot out. Unless you don't check d-scan while you're at your safe spot onlining/using your depot your loot is safe.
If you did get an Industrial into the hole one time and anchored a larger secure container then you could live there much longer. Maybe also bring a few extra small secure containers and anchor them plus additional depots around the system and you're good until your one ship is eventually ganked while running sites.
Justin |
Skywalker
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:24:00 -
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If they are cheap, why not deploy 5-10 of them at same spot, 1 you use then the rest as decoys.
Let the attackers play russian roulette... |
Apollo Eros
Daktaklakpak.
Red Coat Conspiracy
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:46:00 -
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GÇÿYurtGÇÖ Mobile Depot are super difficult to scan down. From what I have read.
They do not hold a lot (store stront etc) but enough to store loot/mods and whatever else.
The RF timer as well as being able to scoop from it while it is RF'ed is really nice as well.
Depending on the price of it just leave it rofl.
We shall see. I know that I will be cloaked up next to it waiting for you :-)
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Chet Hewer
Drusus S.p.A.
Aureus Alae
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Posted - 2013.11.18 21:12:00 -
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Am I reading too much into http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/features/mobile-structures/? It reads, "As they can be deployed in any system of known space", and I was wanting to use them in wormholes. That sentence seems to indicate, to me, that they can only be used in known space and not wormholes. 
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Pezazz
Kitsune Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.18 21:56:00 -
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I can't find the quote but afaik depots are actually partly designed to help small groups and solo players get into WH space. |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
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Posted - 2013.11.20 06:09:00 -
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heh.......can't wait for the time that someone logs off at their depot, logs in to find 4 bubbles rapecaging it.
Moral of the story--always store a cloak in your depot, pray you have enough time to fit it and activate it before hotiles show up. |
Pezazz
Kitsune Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:36:00 -
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The mobile depot is more an emergency survival pack, isn't it?  The more I think about it., the less I think this has a place as an actual 'home' in deep space. |
Auduin Samson
Do not disturb
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:19:00 -
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I intend to use mine for small-gang refits in wormholes. That way you don't have to gimp a combat ship with hacking mods and salvagers when you're clearing a site. Come in guns a-blazing, clear the site, refit for opening spew cans/salvaging. Repeat until you've farmed a system to your liking, then head out. |
Chet Hewer
Drusus S.p.A.
Aureus Alae
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Posted - 2013.11.20 18:56:00 -
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I played with the basic depot in my wormhole this morning. I think it will be handy for a temporary fitting station. I activated it, use the fitting service, and then popped it back into cargo, since it packages back to 50m3. That should work nicely on my forays into other connecting wormholes. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:28:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Setsune Rin wrote:it's almost exactly like using an orca to do it, not a terrible idea but kinda risky yes but is the risk worth the ISK you can make?
no, it isnt.
use an orca for this if you must, at least it can cloak.
note: put one IN your orca too so that you can refit it but dont live off it.
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