It was all nice when suddenly, hey, I got this shiny idea:

How do I introduce this little carebear to PVP? What if I scare him? LOL

Posting in a stealth Eve is dying thread?

Posting in a stealth Eve is dying is full of misanthropic arseholes thread?

Yeah i joined this corp the ceo seemed solid. Turns out he was made ceo by the founder who was an assbutt. Cool guy had to do all this work while the founder acted like a 200% tool. Shooting new guys, ripping em off selling em cheap things at crazy high prices the usual.
So the idiot tried to shoot me on the undock but i had an insta, then he follows me around being annoying.
Had a talk to coolguy ceo, shrugs all round, he made me ceo and split, i got an out of corp buddy to move all the corp assets in many orca loads while the jackass slept.
See he thought all the new recruits had no hauling or fighting ability, so acted the fool.

His stuff was delicious, probably one of the few times a jerk directly paid for it.
OP has no imagination or patience, definitely not leadership material.

Last month I was spamming the recruitment channel a bit and talked to dozens of folks only to get a couple of them recruited, you know how this works.

So this little guy in a trial account got interested by mining and I taught him the ropes: what ships to fly, how to properly fit his vessels to resist the rats, and kill them with the appropiate drones, and whatnot.

We made some mining ops

We ran a session of lvl1 and lvl2 missions

I wasted my time and isk doing such poor-man activities just for the nice feeling of helping a new EVE Online player. Finally he subscribed for 6 months. Yay!

It was all nice when suddenly, hey, I got this shiny idea:

How do I introduce this little carebear to PVP? What if I scare him? LOL

So he was trying his brand new Retriever - epic moment as he described it - he worked a reasonable amount of hours mining in Venture to afford it. Well I popped in belt with my Caracal and blasted his shields. Got no response.

I talked in corp channel and fleet channel. I loled. Nothing. AFK?

Suddenly his ****** retriever is moving aligned to station but the miserable was scrambled by myself. Still no response in chat. LMAO...

So as I consider silence as an insult to my intelligence, I decided to excavate the armor. Scary! Now the little guy decided to talk:

"WTF is this? Im placing a huge bounty on your head!!! This is not a joke!!!!!"


I loled a bit more and finally let him go in a perfectly white structure, only after explaining him he should trust no one and that this was only a demonstration of how harsh EVE can be.

To be fair he probably isn't cutout for eve, but you were also a bit of a ****

Dude docked and dropped from corp, blocked me. I noticed he blocked me because I was offering some ISK to repair his armor... but message couldnt get delivered.

He still in NPC after 1 month. I think he really quited EVE Online. Waste of 70 bucks, LOL!!!I I have mixed feelins about this.

nah, that's the thread about the patch notes. This is clearly a stealth nerf AFK cloak thread.

I usually just cruise around high sec in my ganking alt (t2 catalyst) and look out for shitfits and young characters. So if I finally spot one I immediatly open fire and smacktalk them in a convo afterwards. Because youknow they should know that EvE is a harsh place and EvE players are assholes. Then I direct them to the forums and show them the number of likes I have and that EvE players actually approve of persons like me. If thats not enough to make them quit EvE I place a 10m bounty on their head. They dont actually know that this has minimum effect on their gameplay and is no incentive to gank someone. Yea thats my daily EvE life.

Yeah i joined this corp the ceo seemed solid. Turns out he was made ceo by the founder who was an assbutt. Cool guy had to do all this work while the founder acted like a 200% tool. Shooting new guys, ripping em off selling em cheap things at crazy high prices the usual.
So the idiot tried to shoot me on the undock but i had an insta, then he follows me around being annoying.
Had a talk to coolguy ceo, shrugs all round, he made me ceo and split, i got an out of corp buddy to move all the corp assets in many orca loads while the jackass slept.
See he thought all the new recruits had no hauling or fighting ability, so acted the fool.

His stuff was delicious, probably one of the few times a jerk directly paid for it.
OP has no imagination or patience, definitely not leadership material.

Bad players rage quit, or worse, run to the forums and ask CCP to make what happen to them impossible.

Bad players rage quit, or worse, run to the forums and ask CCP to make what happen to them impossible.

Anyways, this behavior only reinforces the idea that never leaving NPC corps is the way to go. Is that what you really want? Everyone in NPC corps?

I kissed a girl and I liked it.

i once teamkilled a guy in WoT. true story.

I wasted my time and isk doing such poor-man activities just for the nice feeling of helping a new EVE Online player. Finally he subscribed for 6 months. Yay!

BEEBEEDEEBEEPBEEPBEEEEEEEEEEEP my asshat alarm is going nova

Hey Mang,
You sound just like some other people I've met in Eve. If you shared your LOLs with someone.. I'd understand... but... ??!?!

"I gotz this great idea..LMAO.. LOL... GANK... sheesh why doesn't anyone like me?!?? I'm such a great guy!"


Adds OP to watchlist with label: PSYCHOS <-143 currently with this label.

Their is a lot of mental illness in the world... and in Eve.... just saying...


Seek help,


Jose Ronald, Minmatar spiritual enabler

Replying to another misinformed individual who applies subjective moral standards to video games and gameplay and calls people psycho because they merely upset him. You belittle mental illness by calling it something it's not. I'll tell you what there is a lot of in the world, and EVE.

Stupidity.

/thread

One could make the argument that doing such things to others is a sign of a sociopath.

However I do believe for some it is simple boredom combined with a lack of behavioral training. I find when I encounter players with a stable job, wife, and especially kids, they gawk at any sort of deception performed on friends or trusting parties.
When I encounter players that are willing to do such things, I find they do not have these things usually.

Back to the topic of sociopaths, we can take a look at the communications offered by such parties. For one most are particularly looking to grief the other person; essentially an adult that is taking enjoyment in the suffering, frustration and annoyance of another adult. Online or offline is irrelevant here; that is childish and for adults to act like that is a sign that something is wrong with them.

There's also a group that do it to look cool to their other friends in the game. Once again, for fully grown men to create a high-school styled social structure in the game is a sign of stupidity at best, brain function deterioration at the worst.

The last thing I'd like to touch on is the communication style of such people. Most feel the need to have the attention shined on themselves and will instantly resort to mindless trolling if a criticism is thrown there way. They tend to communicate through posting childish memes and cannot partake in any serious discussions both on an intellectual level and due to their childish behavioral development.

Thus considering this all I'd say "griefers" in EVE are mostly a mix of:
1) Bored, stupid people
2) Sociopaths
3) People with development disorders, socially specifically

Unless you're qualified in the field of developmental disorders, like my own autism for example, you should really try to avoid pretending to know something about them. If you DO know something about them, then you already know you're full of crap, in which case you're just trolling. Calling people "bored, stupid, sociopaths, developmentally challenged", etc, and attaching them to such negative connotations.... how does that make you any different than the people you're criticising?

essentially an adult that is taking enjoyment in the suffering, frustration and annoyance of another adult

just dropping by to point out that the past tense of of 'to quit' is 'quit' not 'quited', so the threadtitle ought to be corrected.

Irrelevant. The past tense of 'ragequit' is 'ragequited'

Last month I was spamming the recruitment channel a bit and talked to dozens of folks only to get a couple of them recruited, you know how this works.

So this little guy in a trial account got interested by mining and I taught him the ropes: what ships to fly, how to properly fit his vessels to resist the rats, and kill them with the appropiate drones, and whatnot.

We made some mining ops

We ran a session of lvl1 and lvl2 missions

I wasted my time and isk doing such poor-man activities just for the nice feeling of helping a new EVE Online player. Finally he subscribed for 6 months. Yay!

It was all nice when suddenly, hey, I got this shiny idea:

How do I introduce this little carebear to PVP? What if I scare him? LOL

So he was trying his brand new Retriever - epic moment as he described it - he worked a reasonable amount of hours mining in Venture to afford it. Well I popped in belt with my Caracal and blasted his shields. Got no response.

I talked in corp channel and fleet channel. I loled. Nothing. AFK?

Suddenly his ****** retriever is moving aligned to station but the miserable was scrambled by myself. Still no response in chat. LMAO...

So as I consider silence as an insult to my intelligence, I decided to excavate the armor. Scary! Now the little guy decided to talk:

"WTF is this? Im placing a huge bounty on your head!!! This is not a joke!!!!!"


I loled a bit more and finally let him go in a perfectly white structure, only after explaining him he should trust no one and that this was only a demonstration of how harsh EVE can be.

Dude docked and dropped from corp, blocked me. I noticed he blocked me because I was offering some ISK to repair his armor... but message couldnt get delivered.

He still in NPC after 1 month. I think he really quited EVE Online. Waste of 70 bucks, LOL!!!I I have mixed feelins about this.

He may be wrong with the exact terms (I don't know **** about it, so can't say), but he's right when he mentions :



Doing "bad things" in EvE is OK, it's part of the game, but enjoying making other people miserable is not. It's not your character "harvesting the tears" of the other character, it's the player doing so to the other player. Human beings. The fact that it is a video game doesn't matter at all.
Maybe the victim should not be too upset about a game, but the fact that the "tear harvester" enjoys other people's suffering sure is a sign of asshatery, whether it qualifies as sociopathy or not.

Bullshit, the fact that it is a video game negates the 'suffering' of other players together. Oh noes, your pixels exploded? First world problems, biatch. Let me know when you've experienced some real suffering and THEN we'll talk about suffering in a video game.

There isn't even one single parallel you can draw. Not one. The fact that you're playing video games AT ALL means you're not suffering, so whatever enjoyment other players get out of what they do to you IN GAME has no parallel in reality, sorry.

Nope.

Adding a prefix doesn't alter the conjugation of the root verb. Past tense of "forego" is "forewent" not "foregoed" and "overspend" goes to "overspent" not "overspended" etc etc.

In any case, even if adding "ed" was correct, which it obviously isn't, it would require two "t"s, as "ragequitted".

0/10.

I am so glad you wrote this post. Grammar tears.

so.. you recruit some kid who wants to play the industrial side of eve (before he finds it's boring on his own) you take him under your wing, give him tips, pointers and fitting/ship tutoring.. then he mines for who knows how long to buy a retriever which is "epic" in his own words., then you try to blow it up?
then you go to GD and brag about what a badass you are? yeah.. kick that kid off his trike.. you are hardcore dude.. the baddest of the bad.

Just because you use the video "game" as a tool to project misery and suffering onto others does not negate that you, a human being, is deriving enjoyment from making another human being miserable. The tool that is used to accomplish this is irrelevant. Your intent is what is in question, not the tool you use. The very reason why you'd want to "collect tears" is because you know your actions are causing another human being real misery.

Now I know it's tempting to move this goal post around and claim "well they shouldn't feel misery over a game anyway... so it's their fault." And that, at this point is irrelevant. We can certainly make the argument that people should be more chill when interacting with people inclined at making them miserable, in essence ignore and brush off. But this does NOT in way make "tear collecting" or grief play acceptable or normal behavior.

My point is, no misery is being caused. It's not shifting the goal posts, it's a fact.

Stopped reading there. GTFO.

My point is, no misery is being caused.

My other point is, this is still not indicative of mental illness.

This is how it is. Griefers will grief because griefing is funny.

Putting your hands over your ears and singing "LALALALALALA" to block out the mean and nasty facts doesn't change them one iota.

Putting your hands over your ears and singing "LALALALALALA" to block out the mean and nasty facts doesn't change them one iota.

They aren't facts. They're Tippia facts, or heavily opinionated ideas labeled as "facts".

Mean and nasty "facts?" Listen here, cupcake. Your facts aren't facts. They're opinions. Your opinion, sucks. It sucks more than a black hole.

You're right, it's just a space pixel. OK. That doesn't mean that it's good to see people chased off Eve, or to say they aren't cut out for it after being back stabbed for ***** and giggles because most people in the world aren't paranoid survivalists in a GAME, or to pass tear collection and griefing as 'content creation.'

I don't know about you, but I WANT to see Eve grow. I want to see newbies stay. This is why I do what I do. This is why I still play Eve. I like teaching nubbins how to pew, and that lowsec isn't instadeath, and that losing a ship isn't a big deal. Not by killing them, but taking them out to kill other ****. To feel the thrill of a win when the odds are against you. THAT'S how you keep people in a game like Eve. Eve is harsh, but that doesn't mean you have to make it harsher. Show the newbs that they too, can be just as harsh and bad ass. Show them they aren't just prey.

In other words, stop being a raging ****.

I don't really care what you want to call me, and I don't really care for your opinion of my opinion, either. The point is, if you're going to DIAGNOSE people with 'mental illnesses' just because they're behaving in a way that you, with your subjective application of your own moral values to a video game, think is 'bad', then you're wrong, and it sounds more like spiteful, prescriptive retaliation for the sake of getting your own kick out of trying to make the person who made you feel bad also feel bad by labelling them as a 'sociopath' when in fact there is nothing about being a sociopath that is bad just by virtue of being a sociopath.

And I think you're missing, largely, my point here. I'm not defending anyone's behaviour, I'm just saying stop being armchair psychologists who think you know something you don't. This applies to anyone who's ever applied the word 'sociopath' or similar to behaviour of players in VIDEO GAMES, that point being the ONLY diagnostic criteria you know of the player. It's pathetic, it's wrong, it's ridiculous, it belittles real mental illness and adds negative connotations to the illness unnecessarily, thereby increasing the disdain with which people look down on people with REAL sociopathic tendencies, like myself.

You know, a girlfriend dumped me once when she found out I was a sociopath. That was the only reason, the use of the words "I'm a sociopath." It was nothing I'd done, just the label. The first thing she asked me was, "what, do you like, torture small animals or something?" It's **** like this calling people sociopaths just because of 'bad behaviour' or otherwise unusual behaviour that you can't otherwise understand, and sometimes have no business trying to understand, that a sociopath these days is just seen as a bad person just by virtue of the word sociopath having these negative connotations. If you do it, you're a ****.

For saying that people don't feel pain or misery from a game, you sure seem upset.

By the way, I'm one of those 'sociopaths' who is, in fact, calling you out on your bullshit.

Calling me out with what, exactly? What have you brought to the table except ignorance and denial that I should care?

I'm not referring to anything that was done to me in the game, smartarse, I'm referring to the ignorant people who lived such sheltered lives that real world problems don't seem to matter as much as video game problems.

Capitalising random words doesn't really help you in proving your point either. It makes you seem slightly upset.

You said that it's a fact that people don't feel misery from losing a ship on Eve. You then proceeded to say everyone else who had a different statement were only voicing opinions.

I requested you provide evidence to show your opinion as fact. You did not. I am now calling you out on it.

I'm also calling you out for being a ****.



So because you don't react to an action in a game, but other people do, your lack of reaction is fact just because?
m8

Don't even try to pretend that **** that happens in a video game is going to cause real misery. And yes, I've been backstabbed in this game myself. I got together with some friends and sacked the wormhole and two poses that those guys that backstabbed me had, stole over 30bil worth of stuff, and got over it. I would have got over it even if that didn't happen, because it's just a game.

That last part... that's not really what I said now was it.

And you still haven't called me out on anything, because I'm the one doing the calling, and you're the one continuing to miss my point. You're very good at missing points.

The people you play with are real though and they could very well cause real misery. Easily getting over being backstabbed might simply mean you don't value your friendship as much as others do. I don't intend to say the reaction of the noob player was justified but I do understand how he might have gotten upset: he valued his friendship with someone and trusted that person, who then went on to do something which reduced that trust.

I'd be more put off by someone refusing to talk to me after a brilliant game move than someone who pulled it off and kept being friends with me. IE, the relationship isn't shattered by what happened in a game. If they're my actual friend, they'll still be my friend after a move in a game that hurts my position and helps theirs - that's the POINT of gaming.

But if they stopped talking to me afterwards, then I would be upset, because the relationship is over - either it never existed to start with, or they are taking the game way too seriously.

IE, I convoed the guy who killed me last time (forgot to say gf though, but it was an amicable chat) just to find out what I did wrong and what I could do better, and if my fit was crap or not. Why? Because he's playing a game too and I need to learn from EVERYBODY I can, and make friends everywhere I can, even if it's by fighting and getting killed (some people respect that).

You seem to be better at missing points as well.

Okay, let's go there.

Losing a loved one is pain.

Losing pixels is not.

Getting rejected by every job interview cuz you suck at face-to-face socialising is pain.

Getting stabbed in the back by cyber 'friends' you've never met in real life and haven't known more than a few days is not.

Am I making this clear yet? Air-conditioned first-world comfort problems =/= real problems. If you're in pain over losing a few pixels, then I suggest you have problems of your own to sort out before you start diagnosing everyone else's.

But I typed out my point in black and white. This whole thing was sparked by an OPINION of mental illness, which I addressed, but you seem to be ignoring in lieu of attacking someone with an opinion that you just don't like. Well, let me know when you're physically unable to sleep for 24-72 hours due to chronic anxiety attacks, then we'll talk about real pain.

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Getting stabbed in the back by cyber 'friends' you've never met in real life and haven't known more than a few days is not.

I don't think we can compare the two situations, but I can't say so with certainty as I don't know your situation quite well enough.
The difference lies in the relation with the other person. If you are in a position in which you trust someone to help you, it'll hurt a lot more than when you are not in such a relation to start with. The latter would be the case if you're friends but occasionally have duels or such. At that point we wouldn't be speaking of your trust being damaged when you get killed while in the former situation we would be.

So you've confirmed you're one of those kinds of people who decree their opinion of everything is fact, and that everyone else's take on it is only opinion.

Nope. You're putting words in my mouth. Never said or implied this at all. Even if this was the case, I see you are selective about whose opinion you'll attack.

Okay, let's go there.

Losing a loved one is pain.

Losing pixels is not.

Getting rejected by every job interview cuz you suck at face-to-face socialising is pain.

Getting stabbed in the back by cyber 'friends' you've never met in real life and haven't known more than a few days is not.

Am I making this clear yet? Air-conditioned first-world comfort problems =/= real problems. If you're in pain over losing a few pixels, then I suggest you have problems of your own to sort out before you start diagnosing everyone else's.

...self-proclaimed sociopath...

I'm selective because you're a hypocrite and pontificate. See



You can stop posting now :)

I am able to take a very mechanical approach to gaming. Gaming is a chance for me to be completely self-centered with no real-world consequences for it. The point of a game is for me to have an outlet to be completely selfish within. IE, the idea of a game is to win, so whatever goal I set for myself, it is my task to get to that goal utilizing all available methods.

This works a lot better for board games where the idea is to accumulate some sort of victory points in order to win the game (my favorite is money). I transferred some of this over to this game - my goal is not outright collection of ISK, but to set up profitable industry and mining opportunities involving other players as primaries. In order to achieve that goal I need trust from other players, or at least relationships with them, so I build those relationships and do my best to make sure they're well maintained. If, within playing the game, I also make some friends, so much the better. And maybe I do have other more secret goals that involve impacting people in real life, but that is how I live life, not play EVE.

So I play EVE selfishly and I give no credence to whether you succeed in your goals or not - in business, it's obviously relevant as far as a non-profitable partner becomes no partner soon enough. But my purpose isn't for you to succeed as such, it only is my purpose so far as it suits my own purposes.

I expect the same from other players as I respect them enough to expect them to maximize their own goal-reaching potential. The problems only come up when I do not realize what the other's goal is - then it is very difficult to predict what they would do.

At least in board games, everyone has the same goal (most of the time). So I know what actions to expect from people. EVE is a lot closer to life in that way.

As a diagnosed sociopath myself

Self-proclaimed as in self-described.



If I were one of your corpmates, I would be extremely concerned with your statements in this thread.

Self-proclaimed as in self-described.



If I were one of your corpmates, I would be extremely concerned with your statements in this thread.

If I were one of your corpmates, I would be extremely concerned with your statements in this thread.

I suggest evemailing his CEO this thread.

"Yeah, let's try to hurt him more!!"

No, that's not bullying at all.

While that is all very well, that is your approach to this game. I would say the noob player probably had another, possibly more altruistic one. This approach to the game is what makes your reaction to an event in the game different when compared to another player who has a different approach.

Now that I think it's clear why the noob reacted the way he did, I would like to ask a question: Do you think there are wrong approaches to games? If so, was the noob's approach an incorrect one?

I would say there are no wrong approaches to games as long as you accept the consequences your approach might have.
Following that thought I'd say that the noob did no wrong when he abandoned the player who attacked him. While his probable loss of money might not have been the greatest thing to happen to him, he did not get on the forums (as far as I know) to complain about what happened. In not doing so, I'd say he took responsibility for the consequences of his approach to the game.

You shouldn't worry about it. Most people who say that aren't really sociopaths.

Well, there are really two types of gamers here. There's the social gamer, who is playing a game in order to socialize, and there is a gamer who plays to win. And I believe that a social gamer is going to react very differently than I would to the same situations, because their primary purpose is different than mine... ie, to socialize. So it's really all wrapped up in the original manifesto, it's just that there are so many different purposes you can have in EVE that the reactions are equally varied.

No, that's not bullying at all.