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Luther Kincaid	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:23:00 - [1] So are CCP having to buy new licenses for their new yaaarrdware? linky Personally I think bill is taking the pss. Time for a linux eve client? I would perma-wipe windows and just use my linux install if there was a linux eve client ------------------------------------------- sig space for hire,the fee is merely your soul and a buttload of pain* warning, this sigspace is fitted with T2 antihijack technology Too bad we have Jove technology then, cause this was no match for us - Wrangler I have already won the thread, end of forum boss respawns when Kieron says so - Cortes - - Imaran
Taketa De	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:26:00 - [2] No idea of how it is in Island, but around here (quite a bit south and a bit east) microsoft can write a lot in their eula... doesn't mean it's valid or enforcable. --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel.
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:27:00 - [3] Originally by: Luther Kincaid Time for a linux eve client? I would perma-wipe windows and just use my linux install if there was a linux eve client What does the new server side hardware have to do with the game client? Warp Drive Active \| Nature Vraie
Luther Kincaid	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Luther Kincaid Time for a linux eve client? I would perma-wipe windows and just use my linux install if there was a linux eve client What does the new server side hardware have to do with the game client? read the linky their EULA applies to ordinary windows aswell. MS aren't being exactly fair with their licenses, so it would be nice to be able to run just linux and blow windows out the door ------------------------------------------- sig space for hire,the fee is merely your soul and a buttload of pain warning, this sigspace is fitted with T2 antihijack technology Too bad we have Jove technology then, cause this was no match for us - Wrangler I have already won the thread, end of forum boss respawns when Kieron says so - Cortes - - Imaran
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Luther Kincaid Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Luther Kincaid Time for a linux eve client? I would perma-wipe windows and just use my linux install if there was a linux eve client What does the new server side hardware have to do with the game client? read the linky their EULA applies to ordinary windows aswell. MS aren't being exactly fair with their licenses, so it would be nice to be able to run just linux and blow windows out the door stop trolling with yet another whiny "i want a linux port" post...CCP said NO in very clear terms. . . . 悪い人々は吸う
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Luther Kincaid read the linky I did, it's nothing new, Microsoft has been the 800-lb gorilla for a long time - and they know it. Also nothing new: people not reading the EULA for products. Warp Drive Active \| Nature Vraie
prsr	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Winterblink Also nothing new: people not reading the EULA for products. Two reasons for that: 1. Don't care for their silly threats. 2. Their EULA's aren't enforcable in a lot of places with a sane judicial system.
Filan	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:56:00 - [8] ill reuse my windows CD if i want to when i build a new machine. if they want to prevent that ill go and get a pirate version and consider it legit because i allready own a legal copy. EULAs hold no water.
GoleanT'Ar	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:57:00 - [9] Oh boy M$ are really trying to lock things down. Major point on this one is: You essentially can use 1 key on 1+ machines, Now what they are trying to do (imo) is lock each NEW serial key to a hardware config (prolly through a small checksum, Motherboard or Proc S/N) This solves the problem of re-registering the same Key with several PCs. They CAN right this into the EULA, but I dunno if it'll hold in court, but they can in the meantime stop you from re-activating windows when you have upgraded ur machine.. Sux eh? And people wonder why the geeks/tekheadz dont like MS but stick with em.. Popularity sells products, addons etc ALL built for MS. Long live Firefox/Litestep!!
Luther Kincaid	Posted - 2006.02.17 15:32:00 - [10] Originally by: DukDodgerz stop trolling with yet another whiny "i want a linux port" post...CCP said NO in very clear terms. pot calling the kettle black.. go troll somewhere else altboy I know CCP have said no, that doesn't mean I have to like it, nor does it mean I can't publicly express my desire for it, 'specially given the MS gorilla like windows EULA. This doesn't make any difference to me personally, I'll go on upgrading my hardware and using my original windows license. It's the principle of the thing that annoys me, and the fact that using only linux is not an option as the software industry is well and truly hooked on MS ------------------------------------------- sig space for hire,the fee is merely your soul and a buttload of pain warning, this sigspace is fitted with T2 antihijack technology Too bad we have Jove technology then, cause this was no match for us - Wrangler I have already won the thread, end of forum boss respawns when Kieron says so - Cortes - - Imaran
Del ReyII	Posted - 2006.02.17 15:38:00 - [11] The article never mentioned that this restriction only applied to OEM licensed software. Typical of this type of tabloid publication. Infact OEM licenses are sold to the pc manufacturer at a much cheaper price than the retail xp boxed edition, and hence have restrictions on its use. ". An ôOEMö license is a license distributed by an Original Equipment Manufacturer, or an ôOEM.ö An OEM is a person or company who builds and sells computers. Some OEMs also distribute software, especially operating systems such as Microsoft« Windows." If you bought your Windows XP boxed edition off a shelf from a shop, then the restriction doesn't apply. Dont get me wrong, I am not defending BILL, but this is not new news, its been this way since MS OEM licensed software started. OEM versions of Windows 95 had the same restrictions.
BBQ	Posted - 2006.02.17 15:54:00 - [12] Edited by: BBQ on 17/02/2006 15:54:54 The question has to be asked though, I can buy an OEM XP licence from my local hardware shop and install it, legally, on a PC I built from bits. Now, if they want to invalidate my licene this way they have to prove that the motherboard I have in my system is a different motherboard to the one that I had in it when I brough my OEM XP licence. No-one knows what motherboard was in my PC when I built my pc appart from me, therefore how do they prove its a different motherboard?? This is where it all falls down. << Insert whitty sig here >>
Rafein	Posted - 2006.02.17 16:05:00 - [13] Originally by: BBQ Edited by: BBQ on 17/02/2006 15:54:54 The question has to be asked though, I can buy an OEM XP licence from my local hardware shop and install it, legally, on a PC I built from bits. Now, if they want to invalidate my licene this way they have to prove that the motherboard I have in my system is a different motherboard to the one that I had in it when I brough my OEM XP licence. No-one knows what motherboard was in my PC when I built my pc appart from me, therefore how do they prove its a different motherboard?? This is where it all falls down. OEM is typically for major manufacturers, Dell, gateway, ect. I'm pretty sure buying, reselling OEM licences is illegal. Typically, if your building a comp, you use the store bought box. Mass producers get a discounted OEM with restrictions, typically programmed directly for the specs of the computer it's going into.
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.02.17 16:05:00 - [14] If you buy OEM software then yes it is tied down to the hardware you install it on. That would be why OEM is always cheaper than Retail would you not think? Different licencing and also simpler packaging. ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.02.17 16:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Rafein Originally by: BBQ Edited by: BBQ on 17/02/2006 15:54:54 The question has to be asked though, I can buy an OEM XP licence from my local hardware shop and install it, legally, on a PC I built from bits. Now, if they want to invalidate my licene this way they have to prove that the motherboard I have in my system is a different motherboard to the one that I had in it when I brough my OEM XP licence. No-one knows what motherboard was in my PC when I built my pc appart from me, therefore how do they prove its a different motherboard?? This is where it all falls down. OEM is typically for major manufacturers, Dell, gateway, ect. I'm pretty sure buying, reselling OEM licences is illegal. Typically, if your building a comp, you use the store bought box. Mass producers get a discounted OEM with restrictions, typically programmed directly for the specs of the computer it's going into. Its not illegal. However using PC's in europe without first getting a little sticker with EC on it is illegal. And of course... when the check is done you are given a bit of paper that provides the full specs of the PC, and if they passed or not. So... in a round about fashion, if you get approached for using OEM licences you will be asked to produce the documentation for the computer, when you cannot... and you havent got it, you will be fined and possibly jailed for breaking trading laws as opposed to breaking software laws. ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE

Jacques Archambault	Posted - 2006.02.17 16:26:00 - [16] Please keep all replies polite and on-topic please. No Linux vs. Windows bashing and vice-versa. Jacques' forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our new Website! Member of the official Eris Discordia Fanclub Fastest sig nerfer south of EVE Information Center FACT - you can't find a piece of brocolli in a glass of milk

Luther Kincaid	Posted - 2006.02.17 16:30:00 - [17] so back to the topic.. are CCP having to buy new licenses? ------------------------------------------- sig space for hire,the fee is merely your soul and a buttload of pain warning, this sigspace is fitted with T2 antihijack technology Too bad we have Jove technology then, cause this was no match for us - Wrangler I have already won the thread, end of forum boss respawns when Kieron says so - Cortes - - Imaran
Apoll	Posted - 2006.02.17 16:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Rafein Originally by: BBQ Edited by: BBQ on 17/02/2006 15:54:54 The question has to be asked though, I can buy an OEM XP licence from my local hardware shop and install it, legally, on a PC I built from bits. Now, if they want to invalidate my licene this way they have to prove that the motherboard I have in my system is a different motherboard to the one that I had in it when I brough my OEM XP licence. No-one knows what motherboard was in my PC when I built my pc appart from me, therefore how do they prove its a different motherboard?? This is where it all falls down. OEM is typically for major manufacturers, Dell, gateway, ect. I'm pretty sure buying, reselling OEM licences is illegal. Typically, if your building a comp, you use the store bought box. Mass producers get a discounted OEM with restrictions, typically programmed directly for the specs of the computer it's going into. I own a company who build-sell PC's in UK. The law isn't clear but nothing is illegal. Whem my customers buy motherboard/cpu/hdd can legaly obtain OEM version as if I sell them whole PC. You cannot legaly obtain OEM version for an already build system. Exept you prove it. Ofc there are suppliers out there who sell OEM (mostly Win XP) like they are boxed version. That's illegal. Also the EULA is for the OEM at the moment. Ofc we all know that tomorrow MS will change it to all versions. What we can do? I'm one of the people who keep windows partition just for EVE. Our option is to buy Cedega and pay for it (under linux) but has some problems. Or donate to the Wine guys. If we don't help them, "getting" free their efford isn't solution and we cannot move forward. I don't think is fair? Do you? I currently pay for Cedega even if I'm using it just to test every new version of it just in case they improve it. And yes, we need to ask from CCP help those guys. Linux MMORPG community is pure area. It's time from CCP get the oportunity and roam the market. After all EVE is written in Python. Easy to board it on other OS. How difficult it is to help the others modify the code and create non-windows compatible??

Redundancy	Posted - 2006.02.17 17:30:00 - [19] We bought a whole load of new blades, which is nothing like taking out the motherboards from the old ones and replacing them?

Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.17 17:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Apoll After all EVE is written in Python. Easy to board it on other OS. How difficult it is to help the others modify the code and create non-windows compatible?? No, EVE is written in Visual C++--python is used as the scripting language. When you've ported directX 9 to Linux, then you can talk about porting EVE. Until then, use Cedega or Windows. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left Everytime you turn down a duel, 1 unit of chicken appears on market -zhuge liang
Salsa	Posted - 2006.02.17 17:54:00 - [21] Uh that article is about home computers and OEM, not blade servers. The whole OEM thing comes from the dell/compaq/gateway type systems that are sold cheap with a bundled OS. You don't get a windows CD when you buy OEM. Sorry man but you are comparing apples to oranges...I'm up for a Bill bashing but lets at least be honest about it. Wanna save a few hundred bucks then buy OEM....want a real computer? Build it yourself!
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Taketa De No idea of how it is in Island, but around here (quite a bit south and a bit east) microsoft can write a lot in their eula... doesn't mean it's valid or enforcable. is this true? becouse in eve for example, you have to agree with the eula to play the game right, just like a "contract"? why wouldnt it be enforceable when you by free will accept and agree with it? "We brake for nobody"
Emily Spankratchet	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock is this true? becouse in eve for example, you have to agree with the eula to play the game right, just like a "contract"? why wouldnt it be enforceable when you by free will accept and agree with it? Just because you write something in a contract doesn't mean that it's legal or enforceable. A lot of standard IT/software EULAs contain stuff that probably wouldn't stand up in a court of law in some countries. It generally remains there because neither the vendor nor the customer can afford or be bothered to challenge it legally. For example: if EvE wrote something in the EULA that said they could take your liver in the event that a Dev's beer habits mean they need a new one, it would not be enforceable.
Xelios	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:28:00 - [24] Edited by: Xelios on 17/02/2006 18:28:13 Originally by: Salsa Wanna save a few hundred bucks then buy OEM....want a real computer? Build it yourself! Unless you want to be able to play HDCP movies (Blu-Ray and HDVD's) at full quality, then you'll have to buy OEM. There's not a single retail motherboard offering the decryption keys necessary to display these next gen formats in their full 1920x1080 resolution, except the motherboards in OEM boxes (and good luck finding a high performance OEM machine for cheaper than you could build yourself). All brought to you courtesy of DRM technology. Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
NebulousBlur	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:38:00 - [25] I'm sure that after spending tons of money on new state of the art equipment, having to purchase new versions of windows for their servers is a trivial matter. That's assuming that the servers don't already come with the licenses and windows preinstalled.
Magunus	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Emily Spankratchet For example: if EvE wrote something in the EULA that said they could take your liver in the event that a Dev's beer habits mean they need a new one, it would not be enforceable. And thank god for that. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.02.17 19:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Luther Kincaid So are CCP having to buy new licenses for their new yaaarrdware? linky They're essentially buying an entire new datacenter from IBM. These suckers will come with licenses to everything they need and will be setup to their exact specifications. If theres one thing IBM knows how to do its building expensive fast and shiny solutions for businesses and selling really expensive (but good) support for it.
George Petsch	Posted - 2006.02.17 19:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Luther Kincaid So are CCP having to buy new licenses for their new yaaarrdware? linky ... Microsoft BackOffice products (SQL Server, Windows 2003 Server Editions etc etc) are licensed on a per CPU contract. Besides the built in limitations of some products (the FREE sql server express only uses one cpu for example) the licensing model does NOT affect the possibility to install it on a random number of servers. That basically means that companies who upgrade/change their servers report their new number of CPUs in thier production enviroment to Microsoft and get a new licensing plan. The software itself does not care if a company is "over-" or "under-" licensed. Compared to other companies cough oracle cough that imho looks like a fair licensing model. But maybe I'm just a fanboy.
Sensor Error	Posted - 2006.02.17 20:11:00 - [29] Whats the problem? this has always been the case, for as long as I can remember. OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer. The OEM license of windows or any other software is supposed to ONLY be supplied if you are building a machine and selling it on. Anyway, do you guys know how much a full version of windows XP home costs? About ú200. But, that would push the cost of a machine waaaaay up. So, they came up with the idea of OEM, to allow the MAJORITY of home users to have it at cost price. Do you know how much an OEM version of windows XP home costs? about ú50. See the difference? personally, I really don't think there is a problem... ------------------------------------------ Now run along and play with your dolls...
Pantheon Lea	Posted - 2006.02.17 20:47:00 - [30] Edited by: Pantheon Lea on 17/02/2006 20:49:10 Edited by: Pantheon Lea on 17/02/2006 20:48:37 There is no real problem here, i work at a large danish PC manufacturer, and we sell a lot of Windows OEM versions every day preloaded on PCs that we build. When we repair or upgrade computers we call Microsoft to make them reset the activation key, and they are always positive, and do not ask anything about what is changed or repaired, i have heard from customers that they have called Microsoft for a reset up to 10 times, no questions asked. I think they are trying to secure that no one cheats and use windows without paying, and that's is IMHO only fair. The motherboard thing has been tested legally in Denmark, and Microsoft lost, we can freely sell OEM licences bundled with a $10 network adapter, because that's as much a computer than a motherboard. Microsoft is even linking to our site where we do sell that specific bundle. http://www.microsoft.com/Danmark/Products/Windows/windowsxp/goodWinXPOffers.asp Look for the PROConsult logo, although i think every OEM on this list is selling Windows OEM bundled with cheap hardware. Pantheon Lea Itchy Trigger Finger Brothers - We mean you no harm

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