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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:14:00 -
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I've been playing Eve since it was released to retail. I've learned alot since then and I've had lots of questions, but there is one question that I find myself asking over and over.
Can a person be successful in Eve as a loner? You may be asking what is my idea of success. Success to me would mean being able buy and build whatever I want.
Of course buying and building whatever you want would take lot's of hard work and time for the individual player.
Yes I understand that my idea of sucess is no small feat for the individual, but why shouldn't it be possible for the individual to accomplish.
Shouldn't all Eve citizens have equal opportunity to become successful with enough hard work and time. *Note: I said with enough hard work and time as I don't expect overnight success to happen to the lonely space pilot.
However, over the months of playing Eve I've been getting the eerie feeling that large corporations and regional alliances will stifle the efforts of outside individuals.
Will Eve become a universe where mandatory membership to a mega corporation or an alliance is required in order to guarantee the kind of success that I have described above?
Will the lonely miner, fighter, explorer or trader have the same chances of success as the mega corporations and alliances?
Or will the large corporations inevitably squash the little guy and stifle any chances that he may have to become successful.
I don't expect that every individual achieve the same kind of quick success as large corporations in a short peroid of time. That would obviously be an unfair and unrealistic request.
However, with enough hard work and time I do expect that an individual could at least buy or build whatever he wanted.
Please remember that I do understand that this would take considerable time and effort for an individual to accomplish; nevertheless, I believe it should be possible.
Let me conclude by saying I love Eve, but I'm afraid that the lonely space pilot may soon be a rare sight due to the aggressive efforts of mega corporations and regional alliances. Could this be the future of Eve or will there enough room for the loner?
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Captin Zed
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:28:00 -
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Good post.
I do think there is room for the solo pilots or even for the very small corps to prosper.
But that path is harder to follow as any loss of assets will hurt a LOT more than the same loss to a larger corp.
But then you get to be your own boss!
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:34:00 -
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Yes. If I hadn't been giving money/items away recently to people running events I could afford any ship in the game. As long as you know your limitations - eg no point in buying an original battleship BP - then yes, you can in fact be more successful than many people in corps.
However it's a qualified yes - if further areas of the map are claimed by alliances then it may become impossible to be successful as a freelancer. Then again that will just as equally apply to corps who are not in one of these alliances.
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Tagren
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:40:00 -
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I think it will be possible to be a loner. But the time will probobly be (megacorp / members) = ~yourtime + lesserresources.
Remeber that you can be a millionaire via veldspar too.. just that it will take aloooong time.
And you can always work togther with otherloners sometimes for mutual protection. Just for a day or two.
Right now I am playing as a loner too. And it is going slow as hell. But I am my own boss.
Think about Opensource software today. Microsoft's explorer ruled the earth awhile away. Now Mozilla.org is starting kill explorer slowly. And that is made by indiduals. If there is an oppression, people will stand against them . Or atleast work toghter.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:45:00 -
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Megacorps are powerful. Both loners and small(er) corporations need to pay attention to what they do.
That is not to say that small corporations and individuals can't make it in this game - but they very likely can't make it without at least a nod towards some kind of community.
There already exist communities of freelances, and many, many successful corporations of less than 20 members.
It can be done. It's hard, and you may have to have a sort of defense agreement with a corporation (perhaps doing freelance work for them, eh?) or alliance, but it's not impossible.
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ghoo
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:04:00 -
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Can a person be successful in Eve as a loner?
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However, over the months of playing Eve I've been getting the eerie feeling that large corporations and regional alliances will stifle the efforts of outside individuals.
It all depends on one quality: Intelligence.
Outsmart the larger corps.. outsmart every human obstacle.
And of course, do it peacefully - karma is avoidble by no man or woman.
The only way to true happiness is the peaceful way.
Outsmart your way towards harmony.
Peace and harmony is success - all this talk about money and material wealth is false--without the peaceful way it will be worth nothing.
False false false!
Don't let the false ego ruin your way towards harmony and success.
ghoo
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ghoo
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: ghoo on 02/09/2003 12:12:38
I am not saying "don't have an awesome ship".
I AM saying, have an awesome ship!
But, acuire it by peaceful means, outsmarting your obstacles - it is possible.
Have material items to make life more enjoyable, but, acuire these things with the fullest of your imagination and intelligence, in peace.
To connect with your deeper intelligence takes time and practise in moving in peace, but, it is one of the best things you can ever carry with you.
ghoo
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Qandor
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:16:00 -
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Success to me would mean being able buy and build whatever I want.
Not so certain about the build part, I doubt a solo player will be able to build a station for example, but with some hard work you certainly should be able to buy whatever strikes your fancy. I am certain there are some fairly wealthy solo players in the game.
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Admiral Merc
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:17:00 -
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Your totally right the mega-corps in a way are enslaving freewilled individuals into service it's like players are being inlisted even if the don't want to.
But i have no real proplem there still is semi-safe space eccept when you have a person with a high security status trying to kill you there, tacks awhile for the cops to kick in.
Admiral Merc.
M.E.R.C. Military.
P.S. I only read the first article.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:21:00 -
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I belong to a very small corp. That acts more as a co-op where you do whatever you want. From this vantage point you can really do whatever you want you just have to be smart about it and plan ahead.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:59:00 -
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Thanks for all the great replys. I'm glad to see that I am not the only one that feels this way.
I hope that most of you are right that the solo space pilot does have a place in the eve universe.
My greatest fear is that the majority the eve citizens will succumb to the megacorps and alliances leaving no place left for the individual player.
I can only hope that this does not happen. There are enough megacorps in real life as it is. 
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Bogusheadbox
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Posted - 2003.09.02 13:08:00 -
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Loners do very well in this game. There is more than enough corps out there producing all the equipment you need. So you will always - if smart - get what you want at a reasonable price.
Of course you will not have the advantages of the corp. But you will have your own advantage of doing what you please.
Or of course you could be in a corp like mine that promotes the security of a corp, but alows you to do what you like.
Best of both worlds really.
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Gun Kata
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Posted - 2003.09.02 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gun Kata on 02/09/2003 14:51:29
But what about the loner that has played since the release of retail and has finally got the money to buy a battleship and mods after months and months of hard work - he/she sets out to do whatever only to lose it all due to server crash/hardware failure/ctd with no chance of CCP ever replacing the ship or its mods due to their policy?
That would sort of take the fun away. I would not like to start from fresh trying to aquire the tens of millions it would take to get back to were you were.
"I have seen everything now."
"Yeah? Have you seen a man eat his own head?" |
Ashton Black
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Posted - 2003.09.02 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ashton Black on 02/09/2003 14:54:21
We are a very small corp.... no more than 4 Hardcore members but we now probably have a combined worth of 250mil+ (estimate)with BP's. We corp mine when the corp is running low on mins and corp hunt when we need mods.... (total of about 2-4 hours out of any given week.)
We have no great abition but are happy to work together in a laid back friendly way with no pressure if someone wants to go on an extended exploration or trade run. As said in a previous post... best of both worlds.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.09.02 14:52:00 -
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Never fly a ship you can't replace.
It's just as fun to fly a correctly equipped cruiser in this game - you can do everything on it except go to war with other players...
...which you won't do anyway, if you're a loner. And even then, there is ample room for special purpose cruisers and frigates in warfare. Watch, learn, act.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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OverKill
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Posted - 2003.09.02 14:55:00 -
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It is entirely possible, although a little more difficult, for an entrapaneuring individual to become moderately successful.
In the begining it will take massive amounts of time and effort to generate the veture capital for your business however once you have that capital you can run with it.
"It takes money to make money" and all that jazz.
Once investments become available solo players will be able to reap huge dividends by getting in on the right IPOs early.
Regards,
OK
[email protected] - http://www.hadean.org
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.02 14:59:00 -
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Gun Kata....kinda off topic but I definitely understand your experience. I am glad you brouht this up though because you have now given me a new idea for a new but related topic.
I would rather die a free man than live as a slave. |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:40:00 -
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It is entirely possible, although a little more difficult, for an entrapaneuring individual to become moderately successful.
Yup - but perfectly feasible.
One point is how we define "success" - I mean ive had a billion ISK, is that " alot" or peanuts.
We have no real baseline to compare ourselves against.
Beyond that.. money isnt the only success... fame is perhaps the greater one. This being a single-instance world any fame is a success in my eyes.
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Zoson
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:53:00 -
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wow deja vu. Are megacorps taking over the EVE universe?
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OverKill
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:58:00 -
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Not at all LOL.
BBBB is not a Megacorp however their CEO is well respected member of the community and a longstanding member at that.
Hadean Drive Yards is not a Megacorp nor will we ever reach that status due to the fact that we believe numbers under 75 are more suited to "community environments".
Hell even guys like the Space Wolves who have less than 20 members are a feared entity amoung certain circles and a sought after military contract in other circles.
Yes, the above Corporations, and those like them, wield a significant amount of sway in the universe of EVE.
HDY has dedicated customers that only come to us because of our customer service, or our prices, or our willingness to share technical information.
We've outfitted an entire FLEET of Mallers in a 3 day period (20 units) on the request of a certain client.
The little guy (and the little corp) can kick ass and take names later just like the big boys trust me!
Regards,
OK
[email protected] - http://www.hadean.org
Chief Executive Officer - Hadean Drive Yards |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:59:00 -
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What's successful? One of the more successful manufacturers, one who has been giving other manufacturers severe cases of indigestion, is an individual. He manufactures and sells several cruisers per day.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Agent Shield
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Posted - 2003.09.02 17:51:00 -
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We are a very small corp, but we feel that we have been successful in Eve.
There are times we pull into ports, and the women have heard of our exploits. We have no problem getting dates at any station we pull into. We sometimes even stay a few extra days to relax and mingle with the habitants.
Agent Shield |
Casey Jens
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Posted - 2003.09.02 18:09:00 -
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This is an excellent question/post...and although I can't give more than myself as an example..I am a CEO of a corp of one, with another coming on board in the next day or so. I originally joined a corp, earned my spurs so to speak, and realized that I wasn't cut out for the 'follower' role. So I left the old corp, and started my own, and with nothing but a rifter, a couple mining drills, and effort, I now have 9 branch offices, a production facility, research lab, several ships placed strategically for mining/hauling/courier services, and I contract my labor. I now am building heavy minmatar cruisers, and waiting on the Eve-conomy to evolve to then branch into other services. I've made great supplier contacts, trading partners, and I even have a banker for financial services. So, yeah, you can make it as a "loner", but its a longer slower road. It takes will, perserverance, and a plan to get ahead. Will I ever become a 'super-power' in Eve? Not sure, but I will be a 'player'....and thats what its all about.
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Berged
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Posted - 2003.09.02 20:01:00 -
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I got some capital behind myself and made my own sucessful ship building buisness alone, and my minerals were supplied by someone who mined them solo.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2003.09.02 20:26:00 -
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No question it's possible. Takes smarts. :) But group play will always be a big advantage even if it just means you hire help :)
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feldon wolfbane
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Posted - 2003.09.03 19:02:00 -
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it is good to hear that there are other independants in the eve unviverse, the beauty of this game is the diversity. Everyone has different ideas of how they want to play and all to a degree have their successes, it depends on your perspective, some people choose and prefer to work for a corporation whilst others choose various other paths, i for now enjoy being able to choose my path and i believe it is possible to work for other people-corporations and still be independent. I have played this game since retail release and i have learnt a fair amount and i continue to learn, but at the moment i mainly trade and mine, as for trading there are still bargains outthere dispite large corporations or wealthy individuals buying up everything just before downtime and slightly after, there is always room for the small guy and i like the challenge
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Zorakk
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Posted - 2003.09.03 19:33:00 -
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Well you somewhat have to redefine what "sucessful" means in a solo or small corp experience. I am thinking of starting a 2 man corp with a good friend. Will we ever control a system? Probably not. Will we be able to field 20 BS? Prob not. But we can make cash. Never fly a ship we can not afford to replace. Have a good time. Pimp our selves out when we feel like it to some other corps, etc. Whoever the dude is above that was speaking the Zen type be at peace stuff scares me.... I want some of what he is in..
You can still fight as a solo or 2-4 person corp and win just fine. But fight on your terms and in the place of your choosing. Guerilla style. Otherwise run like hell. That is what your resources allow you to do... This is off topic but the guys who always complain when someone attacks them with 5 ships to 1 need to get real. I would think anyone to attacks with anything less than overwhelming odds is a fool...
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