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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:34:00 -
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BarryBonez wrote:so what was wrong with increasing the torpedo velocity to 20 or 30% per level? Great. Now the Naga not loses missile bonusses but also the element of surprise. I saw it in a role of a mini-Typhoon; has it hybrids? Torps? Both?
Not going to train large hybrids for this. Too bad then. |
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:38:00 -
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Ghads Ghost wrote:But why waste a ship just for PVP? Eve fitters are an inventive crew they will ALWAYS find to use a ship for what it isnt intended to do... looks like in this case another sue was found... until this nerf from CCP Indeed. For PvE you only use 5% of EVE's ships, most others are either useless or PvP ships. |
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Posted - 2011.11.15 22:19:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:Ahem, Hurricane is split weapons as well, along with the Rifter... How many people fit launchers on a Cane and how much skills do you need to fit a meta 4 rocket launcher on a Rifter compared to training T2 large turrets?
Let's face it, in spite of all the funny hybrid ship designs Caldari is a missile/ECM race if you care to look at what people actually fly. Introducing one half decent hybrid ship isn't going to make people train all those gunnery skills.
The Underdark wrote:What's more taxing to a player? making them train 3 basic skills to III or IV or having them train 6 levels of advanced weapons and all the support skills.. if you want a hybrid boat and use hybrid weapons, just train a gal BC, don't force missile people to train a whole new weapons group Couldn't have said it better.
Jenny Cameron wrote:Many Caldari pilots haven't trained a lot of hybrids as they quickly learned that hybrids aren't the way to go. Especially not LARGE hybrids. I don't think one single tier 3 BC is going to change that. If the Naga doesn't get its missile bonusses back I think the Naga will have little use and most pilots flying it will actually be Gallente pilots that see its advantages over the Talos.
Why have two hybrid platforms among the new battlecruisers anyway. And this. |
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:14:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote:King Solomon solution to all the bickering: Make the Tier 3 Bcs what they were originally supposed to be: Cap killers. Drop all turrets and give them a racial Citadel Torp fitting, range and damage bonus and covert cloak
That way they'll be good at what they were supposed to be good at, like Stealth bombers are, and not good at what they weren't supposed to good at, like being so totally OP that they make cruisers, HACs, BCs and BS obsolete. Yes i love this idea too. True, they may become a one trick pony but how many more tricks do the current ships present compared to ships that can fit the same role? They're still variations on an existing theme.
Cap killers on the other hand will turn around nulsec. But CCP is scared shitless that they will enrage the self entitled veteran cap pilots that will drown the forums in a flood of tears.
Phantomania wrote: Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm. Make it fair!...Make it Missiles! Missile Pilots want Equality! Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!
/signed
/signed
CCP should be able to make the torp Naga a viable alternative. Buff missile velocity, flight time, whatever. Give it a preciscion bonus like Nighthawk and Golem so it's also a viable anti-cruiser platform. Something. It's not that hard. |
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:35:00 -
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Lijhal wrote:The hole thing about: " iam caldari, i only skilled missiles therefor i demand a new toy this winter with missiles" is kinda foolish
The choosing of the race in EVE is nowadays only a cosmetic part (before remaps got live there were mostly/only achuras b/c of attributes) and since the start of eve you can train every skillbook which is available, so you dont have any restrictions about what to learn and what not.
The greed of missionrunners here, in particular caldari missionrunners who have trained only missiles and demand "justice" by giving the naga the opportunity to fit HML is kinda ridiculous ... i dont see any reason why the naga should get missile hardpoints! By the same logic, as everyone is training whatever they want, it's not unreasonable to expect CCP to cater every player with their new BCs, whatever weapons they can use. And it's not that there's nothing else to train, people may concentrate on other skills than weapon systems. We all know training skills in EVE takes lots and lots of time.
For example, I can use missiles and lasers and medium projectiles. Which means I can use the Oracle and the other ships are useless to me. I'm not going tot train rails just to be able to fly a ship, or in this case: two ships.
It's the same as CCP releasing just 4 Gallente boats for an expansion and none for any other race and you saying "oh but choosing a race in EVE is nowadays only a cosmetic part (before remaps got live there were mostly/only achuras b/c of attributes) and since the start of EVE can train every skillbook which is available, so you dont have any restrictions about what to learn and what not". Which doesn't make sense either.
Basically the Naga is just a stealth boost to Gallente pilots that can already field battleships as training Caldari Cruiser IV is peanuts compared to training Large Railgun Specialization. |
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:05:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Those ships ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO ANY KIND OF SOLO PVE. ARE NOT. Who says so?
Is it forbidden to do L3s in a Vagabond or Retribution because it's not specifically designed to do so? Part of the fun in EVE is to find fits to make a ship suited for a lot of tasks. If someone can do L4s in a Naga, let them.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:49:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Phantomania wrote: I'll settle for the Launcher Hardpoints without bonus's, just to get 8 heavies on there!
Then you can complain that your torps don't hit anything and your ship always dies in a fire? Without the range, damage, and radial bonus a torp boat will be worthless. Go read up on the first half of this thread- exactly how terrible the Naga was EVEN WITH BONUSES. Example. Perhaps people that have good missile skills but low hybrid skills would want the Naga to mission together to speed up the killing rate a bit. In L4s, you often spend most of your time killing battleships. So it would be far from worthless.
Next to that, the bonusses weren't set in stone yet, there was still room to tweak them for max versatility.
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