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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:28:00 -
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I honestly awoke to a bad dream today.. The Scope had its balls cut off and relegated to reporting on tea-parties and the weather.
Truly amazing.
So, here I am, wealthy and retired sokaing up the suns on an empty tropical beach with nothing to read.
Morkt ponders on this and reaches for the comlink..
"Cerys? Oh Hi.. yeah it's me again.... that little project you mentioned... Yes i 've spoken to her and she agrees....well I was thinking...."
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:03:00 -
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I too was rather disappointed to see it go.
I have yet to see a compelling reason presented for its disappearance, other than the fact one or two unlucky individuals were so sensitive they felt offended by it or felt it was biased. It may have been biased. But I don't really care - they covered the news, and gave us a story, no matter how slanted the viewpoint from which it originated.
Heck, I enjoyed reading the MDW and we all know that degenerated into just another vehicle for TTI bashing :)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:31:00 -
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Well it didn't Ulstan but thats half the issue.
It became perceived as such because TTI were the only ones who persisted in making anything written into a legal contest with the "court" being these forums.
The start of this was a tiny article out of 6 or 7 for that week, all the rest of which became ignored under the volume of TTi ranting that emerged from it.
The result, as this thred indicates itself, was that you can't mention TTi "anywhere" wtihout being accused of bias by TTI themselves and them prusuing some sort of retribtuion act.
News is biased, some can recognise that.
The other issue is simply this:
You cannot "defend" news in a public arena such as this without degenerating the news itself.
Hence the "success" of The Scope in its locked forum.
It retained its value because it couldn't be "wrecked" chronologically by responses "within" its structure.
Lessons have been learned
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 17:52:00 -
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"News is biased, some can recognise that."
I agree. Thus, shutting down a news service because they seem biased isn't going to help you. Just take what you read with a grain of salt.
"You cannot "defend" news in a public arena such as this without degenerating the news itself.
Hence the "success" of The Scope in its locked forum"
Strongly agree. I thought the closed forum format of the Scope area helped a lot.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.09.02 18:08:00 -
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Please bring back MDW.
The Scope had very well written articles, regardless of any bias, they were reporting news, if TTI is the only corporation making news, and there is truth to what was reported, then its hard not to show a bias to one side or the other, its a human response to be sympathetic to a person or group that most resembles who you are.
Anyway, now that the Scope has crashed and burned, we really need a community news site again, and MDW can do it. You know whats ironic? Even if people dont think MDW's news is good (they think its heavily biased, or whatever), they will still check the news every day to see what you or your reporters are saying.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.02 18:18:00 -
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MDW wont be coming back even though we've regained access to it now.
It "mutated" from its original design in any case, that design being a military/geopolitical magazine and not a news sheet.
I've never wantedt to report news as the daily demands on time are too high, I've ana rms dealership to run that requires a lot from me.
Having said that the nature of our work granted us access to a lot of information some of which could be let out publically. We still get that information.
MDW has taught lessons to many involved with it, those lessons have not been ignored and will result in "something".
The key to that "something" rests firmly in the ability of the organisation to protect its key assets, its reporters, from direct or indirect retribution. That is being worked on by people such as myself and WILL result in a public service of some format...
but only when it is rock-solid in terms of prcedures and its capability to defend itself where required.
In that capacity I've already started to engage in efforts to remove current and long term threats to such an organisation. I've decided that solving some of the issues is easier achieved by removing the problems themselves and will probably be for the greater good of the galaxy in anycase.
Not everybody has the vision, I am hoping I do. My own personal protection is no longer as important as it once was removing one such hurdle already.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 18:56:00 -
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Er, Morkt, I'm confused by your most recent post.
I'm unaware of any vast expenditures required to run a news service.
The editors don't even need to leave a station :)
I'm wondering how exactly one would be a 'threat' to a news agency.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.02 19:02:00 -
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Monsieur Ulsten, I'd advise you to take a look around, count to 10, close your eyes, and then, hell ... take a wild guess.
Love and peace
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.09.02 19:45:00 -
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but surely nesreporters will have enough sense not to post fleet details of only one corporation?
Let them be fair and post the details of both forces.
Otherwise they are not being objective and might be conciderd a spy by corporations who favour no toerists.
This is not a hijack
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Prophet Arames
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Posted - 2003.09.02 19:53:00 -
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Morkt,
Do you have any more details about why the Scope stories were deleted?
I was certainly in favor of The Scope. Having a third-party being able to collect information and post "news reports" here was a great thing. The stories that were there thus far were truthful, and I hope they will be reinstated someday soon.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.02 20:52:00 -
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but surely nesreporters will have enough sense not to post fleet details of only one corporation?
Let them be fair and post the details of both forces.
Otherwise they are not being objective and might be conciderd a spy by corporations who favour no toerists.
This is undeniably true and something that MDW tried not to do. It is undeniably advantageous to "the opposition" to some degree...
However if one follows that concept we should recognise that "any" news can fall into the same category.
If somebody publishes that BBBB only have 5 battleships then they have just given away a "tactical" or "strategic" advantage to somebody else.
And when we follow that logically we end up, once again, with no news at all.
Specifics are dangerous, yet specifics are what people most desire in news. They want casualty lists and how many ships are there and where the reporter is exactly and so on and so forth.
This was one of the concepts that MDW lived by in that our news was "always" after the event. We didn't (intend) to do "live news". So if we said that there were 20 RUS ships at X it wouldn't matter, it had already happened.
I can only sumize that the status of The Scope report was rather more "live" than intended, ine very organisation there is a period of learning and a refining of methods and rules.
At the same time, yes reporters are spies to some degree, hence the lengths to which some go to ensure they are respected for their confidence and refusal to give up information on sources (and Moles).
The Scope had the one advantage that every reporter in EVE desires - nearly indestructible ships. Of course they "could" do evil with them. I think we have clearly seen that the "public" would be willing to take that risk.
One must also remember that it isnt always tath both sides are "fair" to teh reporters though. If side A gives me information and side B does not, then can i not then post my news? If side B delays it so that the "news" is now "Old news" before it is ever seen.. then is this worth the effort?
"News" is biased and bias involves some measure of being unfair. What the galctic citzen must realise is that NO NEWS is the price to be paid for demanding purity and omnipotence in its reporters with no chance of ever there being a mistake.
This is not realistic.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.02 20:58:00 -
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Morkt,
Do you have any more details about why the Scope stories were deleted?
I was certainly in favor of The Scope. Having a third-party being able to collect information and post "news reports" here was a great thing. The stories that were there thus far were truthful, and I hope they will be reinstated someday soon.
There is nothing I can say on this matter other than what i knew from the original sale of MDW:
The Scope promised unbiased reporting, as its reputation supported, and its level of financing and technology meant that it was foolish for our small orgnaisation to try to compete with it.
This is why myself and other shareholders welcomed the MDW sale (along with the peculiar way in which Ed was maanging it).
My suspicions as to the relegation of The Scope coverage to "weather and weddings" are unlikely to see the light of day due to the strict documentation surrounding the buy-out of MDW.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2003.09.02 21:01:00 -
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I too hope the Scope will be brought back to its proper form, it was a very good read, and I'm sure CCP will have the sense to bring it back to some acceptable form (to the vast majority at least, i.e. not the current retarded form)
Very interesting thread we have here :) Where are all the flames ? Oops hope I didn't just jinx it..
Someone remind me the URL to the old MDW ? :D
I really don't think reporters have the luxury of worrying too much about their popularity.. You need a thick skin to be a reporter, and nobody can truly be free of bias.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.02 21:13:00 -
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MDW
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Edward Preble
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Posted - 2003.09.03 04:20:00 -
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I'd be willing to pay an ingame subscription fee to an independent magazine. In the real world, I read the Economist to get a good picture of the economic and political picture around the world, and I loved MDW for giving me some of the same information in EVE.
I think there are actually alot of corporations that might be willing to pay for a 'newsletter' to support an organization for reporting. And of course, in this case, their wages depend on their ability to be at least be unbiased enough to be accurate.
I knew there'd be content.  One way or another.
Edward Preble
Coalition of Free Stars
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.09.03 06:15:00 -
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The Scope was awesome. Why, oh why must some whiners ruin everything in this game for the rest of us?
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.03 06:29:00 -
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In other worlds there were newsletters that circulated just as the one mentioned above. It can be a very positive thing to keep a glance at the economy and current events of the galaxy.
As for my corp, I'm sure the benefits of such a newsletter would prove quite beneficial. And you're right, many would pay if it was accurate and useful.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.09.03 19:22:00 -
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Independent reporting. No ties to any corp. Free News Reporting.
A website in the making......
Reporting will always have a bias. Though any bias will encompass angles. The true reader of news will know the differance. I hope the news of the future will be less controlled by media corps and more from independant reporters. Read what you like and avoid the rest.
Dont forget, to get news you have to have sources. Without sources there is no story. If no one talks no story. There is always a rat in every house.
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