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EXZODIER
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Posted - 2006.02.20 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: EXZODIER on 20/02/2006 01:15:09
collecting kill rights at this time when it is bugged should shorly be called an exploit -
in the latest DEV BLOG - it says that the bug where people cant shot back at those collecting kill rights will be fixe - CCP's rules say that useing a bug to get an advantage is an exploit and u can be punished
- so why isent this taken as an exploit and why do ccp have to spend so muct time replacing ships coz people use this bug -
if u collect kill right CCP will replace there ship
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Sylie Silentsong
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Posted - 2006.02.20 01:56:00 -
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Because to get kill rights against you, you would have to have unlawfully killed someone, so you deserve it. :)
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Palpatinus
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Posted - 2006.02.20 02:43:00 -
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Hey, I know you... you're the suicice pirate who ganked my buddy in a 1.0 system last night and took our control tower. Strangely enough, the sentry guns at the gate didn't take you out. Funny to see you talking about "exploits".
Thanks for the info, though - nothing would make me happier than to give you a taste of your own medicine. 
"Yes, I killed the Matar Thukker, and I hope he burns in Hell!" |
Mace Blackhammer
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Posted - 2006.02.20 05:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Sylie Silentsong
Because to get kill rights against you, you would have to have unlawfully killed someone, so you deserve it. :)
 if they deserve it why has a dev said it was a bug
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Patric Murphy
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Posted - 2006.02.20 06:33:00 -
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Ok, all of the people who have responded to this are IDIOTS.
The exploit he is talking about it NOT being able to shoot back. If you decied to get even with somedbody who ganked you then you better be shure that you can beat them.
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Nihn Lemai
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Posted - 2006.02.20 06:59:00 -
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Caps in name and caps in topic... man, I hate caps...
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.02.20 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Patric Murphy
Ok, all of the people who have responded to this are IDIOTS.
You can make sure you're not affected by this "bug" by refraining from unlawful kills. The original poster fails to mention how he got on the receiving end of such a "bug" to begin with - but players seeking justice in accordance with the game systems and patch notes are not exploiting anything.
Do you mean to tell me they should not be allowed to do anything in response? Why's that fair for the victim but unfair for the original aggressor?
I'm not here to win any popularity contests. I couldn't care less what you think of me - all that matters is this: Can you defend your opinions? |
Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.02.20 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Alliaanna Dalaii on 20/02/2006 07:38:28
Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: Patric Murphy
Ok, all of the people who have responded to this are IDIOTS.
You can make sure you're not affected by this "bug" by refraining from unlawful kills. The original poster fails to mention how he got on the receiving end of such a "bug" to begin with - but players seeking justice in accordance with the game systems and patch notes are not exploiting anything.
Do you mean to tell me they should not be allowed to do anything in response? Why's that fair for the victim but unfair for the original aggressor?
Killing another player unlawfully is within game mechanics, and even advertised on the release box as the career called "Pirate"
This however is a bug, so please get a clue
Alliaanna
Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-= |
Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.02.20 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Killing another player unlawfully is within game mechanics
So is the victim being able to get revenge. Please get your own clue.
They've not explicitly stated it's a bug, only that they are changing the kill rights to be in accordance with their original intent. Until then, the best way to make sure you aren't a victim of this "bug" is to not put yourself in the situation.
Why do you expect to be able to kill someone without retribution, yet it's a "bug" when they do the same?
I'm not here to win any popularity contests. I couldn't care less what you think of me - all that matters is this: Can you defend your opinions? |
Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.02.20 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 20/02/2006 07:59:16
Edited by: Snake Jankins on 20/02/2006 07:57:07
1) someone kills you, correct
2) you get kill-rights, correct
3) you attack him in high sec, correct
4) he fights back, correct
5) concorde reacts and kills him for you, bug !!!
6) he writes petition and gets his ship replaced, correct  (edit: At least I hope that he gets it replaced)
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Cairo dog
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Posted - 2006.02.20 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Palpatinus
Hey, I know you... you're the suicice pirate who ganked my buddy in a 1.0 system last night and took our control tower. Strangely enough, the sentry guns at the gate didn't take you out. Funny to see you talking about "exploits".
Thanks for the info, though - nothing would make me happier than to give you a taste of your own medicine.
As long as he lost his ship its not an exploit. He prolly scanned you and thought the cargo was worth loosing his ships for.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.02.20 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Killing another player unlawfully is within game mechanics
So is the victim being able to get revenge. Please get your own clue.
Can you read ?
The Victim is entitled to get their revenge, But the person on the recieving end is entitled to fight back without getting concordokken. As currently they are not its clearly a bug, and should be deemed an exploit if not fixed in the next patch
Or wait let me guesse the victim of killrights doesn't deserve to fight back cos he's ebil ?  Carebears 
Alliaanna
Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-= |
Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.02.20 08:32:00 -
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Its always fun to see the "justified" whining when the hardcore players get hurt.
You know the "feature" is in there so adapt to it, quit whining about it.
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Mace Blackhammer
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Posted - 2006.02.20 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Killing another player unlawfully is within game mechanics
So is the victim being able to get revenge. Please get your own clue.
They've not explicitly stated it's a bug, only that they are changing the kill rights to be in accordance with their original intent. Until then, the best way to make sure you aren't a victim of this "bug" is to not put yourself in the situation.
Why do you expect to be able to kill someone without retribution, yet it's a "bug" when they do the same?
A) the devs have said youre spose to be able to return fire without getting killed by sentries/concord.
B) You say it isnt a bug yet in the same paragraph say that its not working like it spose to, last time I checked that = bug
C) Players are free to fight back if they are attacked in lowsec.
So maybe you stop posting when you clearly don't have a clue about what the thread is about mainly due to the fact that you never leave highsec.
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.02.20 09:28:00 -
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losing a ship brings out the bets in ppl
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.02.20 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: Patric Murphy
Ok, all of the people who have responded to this are IDIOTS.
You can make sure you're not affected by this "bug" by refraining from unlawful kills. The original poster fails to mention how he got on the receiving end of such a "bug" to begin with - but players seeking justice in accordance with the game systems and patch notes are not exploiting anything.
Do you mean to tell me they should not be allowed to do anything in response? Why's that fair for the victim but unfair for the original aggressor?
thats the most stupid response ive seen to something ever.
with that reasoning you could just say that mining veldspar is the fault in eve since it is used in the ship that the person used when he killed you.
if i shoot at you in .4-0.0 then you are allowed to fire your guns back.
you get killright
you exploit killright by attacking me in say .5 because i cannot fire back or concord shoots me.
thats why killrights are bugged, you are allowed to fire back and defend yourself but when i am attacked in the .5 system i am not=killright collector is exploiting.
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Laqum
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:44:00 -
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Just keep in mind to be polite.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams
Its always fun to see the "justified" whining when the hardcore players get hurt.
You know the "feature" is in there so adapt to it, quit whining about it.
its not a feature, its a bug.
so i think people have full rights to whine
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
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Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams
Its always fun to see the "justified" whining when the hardcore players get hurt.
You know the "feature" is in there so adapt to it, quit whining about it.
are you even reading the thread or just repeatedly banging your head against the keyboard while mourning the loss of your barge/hauler/npc ship that got spanked by an evil pirate?
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EXZODIER
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Posted - 2006.02.20 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Palpatinus
Hey, I know you... you're the suicice pirate who ganked my buddy in a 1.0 system last night and took our control tower. Strangely enough, the sentry guns at the gate didn't take you out. Funny to see you talking about "exploits".
Thanks for the info, though - nothing would make me happier than to give you a taste of your own medicine.
strangley enought i lost a raven to the sentry guns he dident see it coz the nub was AFK.
theres a patch comeing out this month wich should fix this so if your bunndy wants to come and collect his kill rights feel free, infact get him to mail me and ill come to where he is so that he can try.
Now if he wants to shoot me before the patch - coz i will just shoot back let police kill me and then pettion to get my stucc back so he wastes his kill rights
HMMMMMMMM the end ? i think not |
EXZODIER
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Posted - 2006.02.20 12:10:00 -
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- also to add to this - if u collect a kill right that is more then 30 days old i belive that they get there ships back as well as kill rights are sposed to only last 30 days -
also im not whining about it coz i know i can get my ship back and theres nothing like sitting there watching some idiot kill a shuttel and waste his kill rights.
Im just poining out that useing this bug to gain an advantage should be considered an exploit BUT for some reason it isent so im just letting all the people out there know that they should shoot back lose ship to police and then get it back
another note if he collects your can after he will be flagged for 15 mins so u can then get corp members to kill him :-)
HMMMMMMMM the end ? i think not |
Captain Merkin
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Posted - 2006.02.20 12:39:00 -
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If someone attacks you anywhere anytime you should be able to attack them back without police intervention....
Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.02.20 13:43:00 -
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nullLook, the point is simple:
For those of you who feel this issue is a bug, you have a surefire way to avoid it.
Only you can choose to do something that earns your victim kill rights. Until the next patch, there's one simple thing you can do to make sure you're never without the ability to return fire.
You know how it's going to turn out, so why start it?
I'm not here to win any popularity contests. I couldn't care less what you think of me - all that matters is this: Can you defend your opinions? |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.20 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
nullLook, the point is simple:
For those of you who feel this issue is a bug, you have a surefire way to avoid it.
that's where your argument falls down. we don't "feel" this is a bug, it IS a bug and is not how killrights were designed to work. the devs themselves have admitted it's a bug (can't find the thread, I'm sure another forum ***** will dig it out). In fact, the only one who seems to be hanging on to this "feel like it's a bug" is you.
there is an unspoken truth in eve-online: if you are attacked by another player - regardless of why he's attacking or whether he's allowed to or not - you have the right to try and defend yourself without concord/sentries getting involved. Being able to gank someone freely in empire without them being able to fight back (i.e. the exact situation we have with kill rights) goes against all of this.
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2006.02.20 13:58:00 -
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So you now have to give piracy the extra 0.5 seconds thought before you decide to fire?
Pity for you.
And its getting fixed, soon, so who cares.
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Kryss Darkdust
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Posted - 2006.02.20 14:55:00 -
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I'm a noob so I'm sure this is going to sound .. noobish.. but correct me if I'm wrong here.
Right now with the current version of the game it works like this.
1. You get attacked and killed by a player which means you have the right to kill him. (To me this makes perfect sense)
2. So you spot him in a secured sector and attack him (He is a pirate after all) and when he fights back concord jumps him and blows him up for you...
To me that's sounds exactly as it should be. I mean hell, he's a pirate, killing for gain. If I spot a killer in the mall and try to capture him and he fights back, then the cops show up and whoop his @#$, why would that be unfair. He's a killer ... That's what he gets for coming into secured space (or a guarded mall). As far as I'm concerned if your a pirate you have no rights in secured space.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.02.20 17:02:00 -
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same like using wasps, everybody knows its bugged
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Silly Twat
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Posted - 2006.02.20 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: EXZODIER
- also to add to this - if u collect a kill right that is more then 30 days old i belive that they get there ships back as well as kill rights are sposed to only last 30 days -
also im not whining about it coz i know i can get my ship back and theres nothing like sitting there watching some idiot kill a shuttel and waste his kill rights.
Im just poining out that useing this bug to gain an advantage should be considered an exploit BUT for some reason it isent so im just letting all the people out there know that they should shoot back lose ship to police and then get it back
another note if he collects your can after he will be flagged for 15 mins so u can then get corp members to kill him :-)
Still harrasing old ladies ?
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.02.20 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
are you even reading the thread or just repeatedly banging your head against the keyboard while mourning the loss of your barge/hauler/npc ship that got spanked by an evil pirate?
I know its a bug and I hope it will soon be fixed however Im just giving the same suportive help that usually gets snapped back when the bug runs the other way.
Since there is a bug and you know it is you should take care not to become the victim of it.
If you choose to shoot at a player, fine, but there are ramafications.
If you then choose to place yourself in a situation that meens that you will risk running into this bug then I feel for you but on both accounts it was your actions that placed you in the situation.
Finally then, since it is a known bug returning fire will bring down concord on you and you get refunded (as have been stated) so whats the problem?
It really odd that its not the player that tries to take vengeance that is complaining as he gets a hollow vengeance... but thats just my opinion.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2006.02.20 17:28:00 -
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This is just like back when low sec sentries were bugged so that outlaws could be shot at but they couldnt shoot back or they would have sentries on them as well. The carebears were rejoycing like never before and camping gates and smacking local pierats. Let them have their fun while it lasts, and stay out of empire - it will be fixed soon enuff.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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