Goons grabbed all the trade hub pocos pretty quick with their alt corp.

lol...

Is that C.R.E.A.M. ?

It is no surprise.
CCP knew they were gifting the null sec cartels another huge income stream with this.
Didn't you know that about 2 years ago CCP changed the title of the game to Null Sec Cartels Online?

Goons grabbed all the trade hub pocos pretty quick with their alt corp.

lol...

Not all. RvB took quite a few around Jita also, including all of New Caldari.

However as one of the key members - along with Goonswarm - of the RvBee Customs Authority, we are offering a tax rate of 5% to neutrals, so you really should use RvB & Goon/C.R.E.A.M POCOs if you have PI business in that area.

Everyone else are merely imitators.

Is that C.R.E.A.M. ?

It is no surprise.
CCP knew they were gifting the null sec cartels another huge income stream with this.
Didn't you know that about 2 years ago CCP changed the title of the game to Null Sec Cartels Online?

Guess it was to be expected. There is huge money in this income stream.
Yeah, yet another lie by CCP and their null sec propagandists about how this was to be a conflict driver.

You seriously agreed to get in bed with goons?

Guess it was to be expected. There is huge money in this income stream.
Yeah, yet another lie by CCP and their null sec propagandists about how this was to be a conflict driver.

Yeah, yet another lie by CCP and their null sec propagandists about how this was to be a conflict driver.

You sound pretty conflicted to me.

I said it first!

Yeah, I saw that. I didn't read the whole thing before responding. :(

Back on topic, though:

How is this not a conflict driver, Angry Anti-Goon guy?

Goons have POCOs in high sec and you're upset about it, so we've successfully established motivation for conflict.

Now, whether or not you're going to sack up and escalate the conflict, or slink away with your tail between your legs, is another question entirely.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?

The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?

The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain [...]?

The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?

The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

Income potential.
Conflict potential. (We've already received wardecs!)

Seriously? That doesn't seem logical in my small mind.

Wouldn't it be cheaper for people to send ISK for better standing?

You should all go ahead and siphon our moons in revenge.

The only part that sucks is that it will cost people 500M to just be able to shoot your highsec POCOS. I wish anybody could just shoot any highsec POCO and just go suspect.

The asshat goon taunting is getting tiresome.
Yes, we all know that no one will oppose you.

My question is directed at RvB.
What did you gain by getting into bed with these things?

~This is now a kink shaming thread~

Who we go to bed with and how we do it is none of your business Dinsdale.

Dinsdale is more than welcome to join us, its my experience that the crazy's are always great in bed.

Let's go off on a tangent here, for a moment. This is a video game. It's played by people, many of whom belong to various player organizations.

GSF is a large organization, populated by people, who are playing a video game. They do tend to play to win, but that's not uncommon in video games, and there's certainly nothing wrong with it. They're just people whose goals in a video game are at odds with yours.

Your attempts to dehumanize them and treat them as if they are, in fact, a great evil instead of just people playing a video game suggests that you need to step back and examine where the line between game and reality is drawn.

Once you realize that not everyone is afflicted with a basic inability to distinguish "evil" from "people playing video games", it's quite easy to see why RvB would be fine with this.

Why *wouldn't* they be? Since we've removed the irrational-bordering-on-insane moralistic reasoning from the equation, what's better for RvB?

Engaging in protracted and expensive POCO bashing battles against GSF? Or just saying, "Hey, let's just not shoot each other's POCOs, cool? Cool."

Once you realize that not everyone is afflicted with a basic inability to distinguish "evil" from "people playing video games", it's quite easy to see why RvB would be fine with this.

Why *wouldn't* they be? Since we've removed the irrational-bordering-on-insane moralistic reasoning from the equation, what's better for RvB?

Engaging in protracted and expensive POCO bashing battles against GSF? Or just saying, "Hey, let's just not shoot each other's POCOs, cool? Cool."

This man is much too rational, we need to revoke his Eve Forum posting licence!

Seriously though. RvB (and goons) have tax rates that makes it *cheaper* for you to do PI than the NPC rate... and people are upset by this?

Edit: the RvB rate is 5%. There's a 10% NPC rate on top that you can reduce to 5% with the new PI skill, for a total of 10% (just so we're clear)

You should all go ahead and siphon our moons in revenge.

Your attempts to dehumanize them and treat them as if they are, in fact, a great evil instead of just people playing a video game suggests that you need to step back and examine where the line between game and reality is drawn.

Does it hurt much?

Tiresome is a good word to describe people who counter adverse statements as being somehow, someone losing touch with the line between real and space world. Lazy is another.

You'll find that some people would rather cut off their hand than shake hands with a Goon.

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Your attempts to dehumanize them and treat them as if they are, in fact, a great evil instead of just people playing a video game suggests that you need to step back and examine where the line between game and reality is drawn.
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Giant, stable alliances having a duopoly on these is honestly probably better for me, a random, than having the convenient planets constantly in flux. Of course it is the taxation choice that makes it this way.

Same 10% rate I'm used to, that I know works, that is easily tabulated in everyday calculations. Low chance needing to take into account that some of my planets are suddenly untenable and may need to be relocated.

Do I care that these giant alliances are getting half the taxes I used to pay to a black hole? Nope. Means **** to me.

If they make every POCO around Jita expensive all at once, I can benefit from the market instability. Small scale penalties that include me are much worse.

Not much to complain about as of yet.

Giant, stable alliances having a duopoly on these is honestly probably better for me, a random, than having the convenient planets constantly in flux. Of course it is the taxation choice that makes it this way.

Same 10% rate I'm used to, that I know works, that is easily tabulated in everyday calculations. Low chance needing to take into account that some of my planets are suddenly untenable and may need to be relocated.

Do I care that these giant alliances are getting half the taxes I used to pay to a black hole? Nope. Means **** to me.

If they make every POCO around Jita expensive all at once, I can benefit from the market instability. Small scale penalties that include me are much worse.

Not much to complain about as of yet.

Is that C.R.E.A.M. ?

It is no surprise.
CCP knew they were gifting the null sec cartels another huge income stream with this.
Didn't you know that about 2 years ago CCP changed the title of the game to Null Sec Cartels Online?

Dinsdale is actually right on this count.

We truly are a great evil. We are such horrible people that we barely qualify as human beings. The things I've seen, the things I've done as a goon, both in Eve and elsewhere, are a laundry list of unspeakable horrors. There is a reason we have FC's who can run around shooting structures for days on end. It is because the only thing more fearsome than 'suddenly PL supers' are the senseless atrocities we have committed that haunt us in our sleep.


I actually respect Dinsdale, both his insight and courage on calling us out on how evil we are. In a way I also pity him, because the longer he stares into the moral abyss of the goons, the more he becomes one of us. And there is nothing more depraved, more pitiable, more cripplingly awkward than a self-hating goon, and Dinsdale would be the self-hatingest of goons.

There is another possibility, we may see the rise of some new high sec POCO empire. A group that could take and hold poco's all across new Eden. I'm not saying it is going to happen, but it could. Someone just needs to start it.

Realistically, you need a large group of people spread across all time zones to reliably hold highsec POCOs.

In nullsec you can get away with a small group of high skill players in dreads and carriers to grind and rep structures. But in highsec you are stuck with subcaps, so you have to make it up with actual players or some serious multiboxing.

I have no experience in structure removal, but couldn't Tempests fitted with artillery and adequate ammo do the trick ?

When structure bashing you want short range high dps ammo. When time is tight and a structure needs to die it's all about the conflag crystals in large pulse lasers overheating to 95%.