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dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.02.20 18:10:00 - [1] Edited by: dantes inferno on 20/02/2006 18:11:55 For sale the original blue print for the High damage EMP Torpedoes, these are ideal for destroying enemy POS and capital ships, combined with the use of target painters no Battleship can stand aginst this missile. though usedul now....its usefulness will increase as Capital ships become more Popular. Stats These are the base stats excluding skills and bonus Speed: 1 Km/s flight time: 20 seconds Explosion Radius: 1000m Explosion Velocity: 100m/s Em Damage: 675 HP Now for the auction details: Buyout: 2.5 billion (will negotiate to very slight changes) Reserve: hidden but very resanoable Starting bid: 1.5 billion INcrease: 75 million Bid ends: Sunday 26 Febuary at DT (if the servers are back up at this time) Escrow will be located at Jita 4 - moon 4 caldari assembly station. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.02.20 21:35:00 - [2] ohh yes either bid here or send a eve mail to either myself or Jenn Aiel _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.02.22 18:11:00 - [3] A rough estimate on prices depending on region is 1.500 - 7,000k per torpedo. each build produces 5000 torps. Bpo current stats is me 0 and pe 0...reason for selling is due to lack of skills to research the bpo, and unable to train them for at least 2 months. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
Rells	Posted - 2006.02.22 18:29:00 - [4] Too high im afraid. The proffit margin on tech 2 ammo just isnt that great because they cost a lot to build and that makes the cost to fire them enormous compared to tech 1. I offer you 400 million for it but it frankly isnt worth more. -- Rells ◄ Replacing Local with a practical alternative.
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.02.22 19:26:00 - [5] serious offers only please, i have done my research on this, per run at me 0 and production efficiency at 3 my profit margin per run is 6.7 million isk. this will increase greatly at pe 5 and higher me. you couldnt even buy a rocket bpo for 400 mil..so dont waste my time. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.02.23 21:50:00 - [6] 24 hrs left _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
Iona Triplewide	Posted - 2006.02.24 01:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Rells Too high im afraid. The proffit margin on tech 2 ammo just isnt that great because they cost a lot to build and that makes the cost to fire them enormous compared to tech 1. I offer you 400 million for it but it frankly isnt worth more. Actually I believe the BPO is worth the minimum bid price and probably much more. The point is that you will not make back the price for a very long time if ever. However, the BPO provides a source of income. This is of important interest to a manufacturing player base. There is no interest on funds sitting in your account. Hence to make isk you need to work for it or manufacture items for sale. It is very easy to plan builds with a character then play at other activities in the interim.
Daddy's Princess	Posted - 2006.02.24 01:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Rells they cost a lot to build and that makes the cost to fire them enormous compared to tech 1. Actually, they cost very little to build. It's just they are for sale for a lot. I guess that's due to production time, but building them for personal use is dirt cheap. Seriously, don't take my word for it. Look in the database how much one run will cost you and then divide that by 5000 (since that's how much 1 run produces). Not all that much per missile is it?
jonies	Posted - 2006.02.24 05:07:00 - [9] Depending on the demand and time to manuf. (which I dont have the info). The bpo looks good but the base price is somewhat high. I can see it going for 800-950. The return on the investment has to be somewhere between 4-6 months.
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.02.24 06:24:00 - [10] the build time is slightly over a day on pe 0, this decreses as pe increases...the deman for the item should also increase as capital ships become more and more common place. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
LeCannon Fodder	Posted - 2006.02.24 06:29:00 - [11] What skills are required for production please?
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.02.24 17:46:00 - [12] rocket science and laser physics at 1 _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
Red Ladeen	Posted - 2006.02.24 19:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Iona Triplewide Actually I believe the BPO is worth the minimum bid price and probably much more. The point is that you will not make back the price for a very long time if ever. However, the BPO provides a source of income. This is of important interest to a manufacturing player base. This might be the single stupidest thing I've seen about BPO pricing ever. This explains a lot why most BPOs are at 12-18 month payback times or more. I hope you don't run your real life finances this way. To be clear, if you pay more for an item than it will ever make you back in income then you have lost money. That is not an investment, that is a money sink. That said, the pricing on this auction is well in line with the pricing on other t2 missiles. free bump
Hans Otto	Posted - 2006.02.24 20:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Red Ladeen Originally by: Iona Triplewide Actually I believe the BPO is worth the minimum bid price and probably much more. The point is that you will not make back the price for a very long time if ever. However, the BPO provides a source of income. This is of important interest to a manufacturing player base. This might be the single stupidest thing I've seen about BPO pricing ever. What Iona wrote makes perfect sense to me. If I buy a BPO for 1B now, make 500M with it and then sell it for say 700M, I will have 200M more than if I had just left the money in the wallet. A BPO doesn¦t become worthless just because you buy it. It¦s a better investment than leaving the money in the wallet as long as you make more with it than it loses in value.
Red Ladeen	Posted - 2006.02.24 20:14:00 - [15] Until such time as this bubble on t2 bpo prices collapses. Or don't you read what the devs have planned for RPs in the future? 18 months from now, anyone with some spare RPs will be able to buy a limited run BPC of whatever t2 BPO they'd like. Can you say, buh bye t2 pringing at many hundreds of percent of profit?
Maderda Kuhal	Posted - 2006.02.25 15:07:00 - [16] What makes tech 2 blueprints valuable is the simple fact that, compared to tech 1 bpo, they are extremely rare. There will be only 40 of this particular bpo available. Ever. Also, they do cost more than a normal torp but are not THAT expensive. The biggest draw back is the excrutiating long training time. Until more people have trained for tech 2 missles/torps the demand is guarenteed to be low. This bpo is well worth the 1.5B that is being asked as a minimum. But only to someone who is planning on sticking around a long time or for a corporation that is an entity unto itself and will outlast it's maker. Don't settle for a pathetic bid. If you don't sell it, research it. It's value will increase constantly.
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.02.25 19:56:00 - [17] i expected some one to troll the bid to try and lower the price, which is why i looked into it for a month before trying to sell the BPO. But the auction has finnished...and as i had no bids (i wouldnt bid on this thread after the debates here..so the 2 trolls did their job well) ill use it myself until a time i get an offer or try to sell it again _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist

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