One thing I really do hate is Cyno mechanics. It is by far about the worst game mechanic in Eve...having to sit still for such a long time while being a sitting duck. This mechanic is the only reason players that want to fly capitals need to set up their own Cyno networks of throwaway characters.

There should be no reason to have to have throwaway characters just to fulfill a game mechanic

There should be no reason to have to have throwaway characters just to fulfill a game mechanic....maybe the recon re balance could offer something in the form of "non tethered" Cyno dropping? Sort of like dropping a bubble...while still being tied to the ship if it dies (has to at least stay on grid). Of course the recon will just cloak after it moves away if possible, but just white boarding here.

Just one of many ideas. Anyone else got any?

Here's a thought (probably a bad one) how about allowing non targeted modules to work when cloaked?(basically the same restrictions that you would have in a POS Shield?

So you could like launch bombs without uncloaking? Or capitals cycling injectors while cloaked? Yah, probably bad one :)

So congrats to CCP for deployment of Rubicon. It didn't delete my boot.ini file so I am happy (bar is pretty low isn't it?).

While I do NOT follow the forums as much as most who post here in F&I, I do recall that Recons are being very close in being the "next" ship class to getting the re-balance hammer. Which ones do you want to see improved? New role for both field and fleet?

This will obviously gutter down into a ECM debate, but I figure we should go ahead and jump on this sooner than later.

One thing I really do hate is Cyno mechanics. It is by far about the worst game mechanic in Eve...having to sit still for such a long time while being a sitting duck. This mechanic is the only reason players that want to fly capitals need to set up their own Cyno networks of throwaway characters.

There should be no reason to have to have throwaway characters just to fulfill a game mechanic....maybe the recon re balance could offer something in the form of "non tethered" Cyno dropping? Sort of like dropping a bubble...while still being tied to the ship if it dies (has to at least stay on grid). Of course the recon will just cloak after it moves away if possible, but just white boarding here.

Just one of many ideas. Anyone else got any?

There will always be some things that cannot be accomplished solo. This is good.

I think CCP was trying to give some sort of Cyno advantage to the recon class, but you rarely see them deployed in fleets for that intended role. Why lose a ship like this when a covert ops is much less expensive? Covert Cloaks are obviously a different beast and working fairly well I would think.

But having a big "shoot me now" sign show up on the overview when lighting a cyno in a recon isn't the best way to lose your Pilgrim.

I agree that the easier solution is personal deployable Cynos. On the flipside to that, I wasn't really looking for easy...is there any way we could add skill into the Cyno mechanic, even if it were radically changed? Maybe not.

(at least this is better than arguing about ECM....wait for it....wait....)

Not really wanting to give up on this just yet. Anyone else have ideas for a viable recon class?

Cyno's, much like heavy missiles, really do require a revamp as a module class, not as part of a ship-class rebalance.

For Recons, I think that the Combat Recons need a 10-15% EHP buff across the board. The Force Recons seem to need more speed, especially while cloaked, as they seem to be used for gaining warp-ins during most fleets.

E-War, in and of itself, seems to be in a pretty good place, with the exception of target painters - they seem to need either a buff of 20-10% (less as the Meta levels rise), or the Minmatar Recons need a significantly greater bonus for Target Painters. I can't even remember the last time one of them was used for anything except their Web Bonus.

Are there really any players in game that pride themselves on being the best cyno deploy-er for their alliance? I highly doubt that.

What if Cyno Recons were either:

1.) Immune to being rooted by lighting a cyno, allowing them to keep moving around the field. The cyno goes down if the Recon leaves the grid. Disallow cloaking while the cyno module is active, of course.

2.) Rooted to the cyno as normal, but the cyno does not drop if the Recon is shot down. Cynos lit by Recons will always last the full 10 minutes