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akali v2 N.F.H.P. SQUEE. 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:44:00 - [1] - Quote Hello everyone! I recently made a topic about duo living in a wh and got alot of nice responses, but after some thinking it would be pretty lonely. Therefore i now have desilusions about becoming a ceo of a WH corp, and need someone to tell me if i have illusions of grandeur or if it is doable. I have yet ever to live in a wh, but have spent probably 20+ hours reading about different aspects( thats what eve is all about right?:p) So my plan is: Move in to a c4-c3 with nice pi( nanite paste capable) set up my own personal pos * set up a corp pos * get some members( keep it small, 10-15 active) I will not be really selective regarding skills(will do drake fleets on static rolls) , will also be a corp where people can relax without the constant mandatory pvp attendance( appliers will ofc need skill and bring a ship for homedefence if the hole, and its a plus if they enjoy pvp) If anyone desires a personal pos, i will set it up and create a personal password. I will buy nanite paste components at jita price. 2% poco tax. Basically a group of carebears wich are willing tl defend their home and roll statics Is this achievable? Or the ramblings of a madman? ( sorry for wall of text, iphone is weird)
Dmitry Wizard THE AESIR. Ragnarok. 26	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:54:00 - [2] - Quote It's for sure doable. I moved my corp straight to wormholes after I did a month long stint in a c3. It was hard for the guys to adjust at first no one knew the mechanics and living in a pos confused them. It took time but once they figured it out they decided wormholes were the right place for them. Our first wormhole as a corp was a c2-c3-hs. It provided easy logistics a soloable static and easy sites for those who didn't have the skills or the confidence for the static. The pvp was good and they loved it. We had our ups and downs in pvp and were only harassed twice by campers (N0MEX and Powerducks) after all was said and done we moved out and went further. You being in squee leads me to believe you live in null. I'll tell you now as someone who did the null to wh transition. It's addictive. After living in wspace for 3 weeks I pulled everything from null and commuted my corp fully to wormhole space. I say do it. It will be one of the best choices in eve you'll ever make
akali v2 N.F.H.P. SQUEE. 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:00:00 - [3] - Quote The reason im looking for a c4-c3 , is despite theexrra logistic its to my understanding the " safest" place to be+ having endless access to relatively easy sites and being able to choose when to pvp and when to close the static:)
Dmitry Wizard THE AESIR. Ragnarok. 26	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:06:00 - [4] - Quote No wormhole is safer. That's a fallacy. C4 space has just as many predators as the other classes. Hi sec guys didn't really come in to our c2 that often and when they did it was to mine or just scan. For starting out I suggest a c2 with a static c3. For care bearing at least. If you're just starting out and want to pvp is suggest a c2-c2. It's an aquired taste living out here for sure but it grows in you quick. This is of course only my opinion based on my experiences and mine alone. I'm sure others will have some advice as well. With a class 4and c3 static you'll get a lot of null and low sec empire connections for roaming. The hi sec holes come decently often but in a c4 you'll also never get wandering holes to empire and a lot of higher class holes have c4 statics and people's chains will role into you fairly often. As long as you are prepared for this then you should be gravy
akali v2 N.F.H.P. SQUEE. 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:36:00 - [5] - Quote Thx alot for the answers m8:) yeah a c2-c3 might suffic too i guess:) ill pick one with lowsecstatic anyway if its gonna be a c2 though:) never actually considered c2 because i are referred to as a pvp highway everwhere:p Yea, carebearing while stillbeing able to defend home systemwill be main focus. Orcas fit through k-space-c2 right?
Dmitry Wizard THE AESIR. Ragnarok. 26	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:42:00 - [6] - Quote Yes max jump mass is 300 mill on a c2. If you're looking for care bearing with a c2 go for c3 static a low sec static c2 always has another c2 static. And c2 guys love to pvp. Also c2 isk is meh. C3 isk with proper salvage skills can net up to 80 mill a site. The c3 is always my first choice for newborns to start out. Although my alliance is going on a newbie drive and we are bringing guys out to c6 space giving them all the gas sites and hacking sites after we clear rats. I might find a c2-c1 to teach them about mechanics. We haven't hashed everything out yet
Sith1s Spectre Sky Fighters 232	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:00:00 - [7] - Quote akali v2 wrote: Hello everyone! I recently made a topic about duo living in a wh and got alot of nice responses, but after some thinking it would be pretty lonely. Therefore i now have desilusions about becoming a ceo of a WH corp, and need someone to tell me if i have illusions of grandeur or if it is doable. I have yet ever to live in a wh, but have spent probably 20+ hours reading about different aspects( thats what eve is all about right?:p) So my plan is: Move in to a c4-c3 with nice pi( nanite paste capable) set up my own personal pos * set up a corp pos * get some members( keep it small, 10-15 active) I will not be really selective regarding skills(will do drake fleets on static rolls) , will also be a corp where people can relax without the constant mandatory pvp attendance( appliers will ofc need skill and bring a ship for homedefence if the hole, and its a plus if they enjoy pvp) If anyone desires a personal pos, i will set it up and create a personal password. I will buy nanite paste components at jita price. 2% poco tax. Basically a group of carebears wich are willing tl defend their home and roll statics Is this achievable? Or the ramblings of a madman? ( sorry for wall of text, iphone is weird) IMO your best bet is to get yourself a c4 with a c3 static. This will give you the best of all situations as you get a static to farm (and also allows for some growth of your potential corp) That and generally c4s have the lowest amount of traffic as they get no incoming or outgoing connections to Kspace. Mail me or convo me if you would like to know anything else. Regards, Sith Sky Fighters are now accepting WH Space Merc Contracts https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3737774#post3737774
akali v2 N.F.H.P. SQUEE. 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:04:00 - [8] - Quote I see:) so just to be clear there are no c2- low-c3? So my best bet is c2- high-c3? Im gonna be putting pocos when i eventually find a cozy hole s i have to be certain:p Really happy fr the replies i already have got:) open for diferent views too if someone has a view of it:)
Sith1s Spectre Sky Fighters 232	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:27:00 - [9] - Quote A c2 with a c3 static will always have a highsec static. You will have an interesting time acquiring one as generally all the good ones are occupied. Regards, Sith Sky Fighters are now accepting WH Space Merc Contracts https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3737774#post3737774
Dmitry Wizard THE AESIR. Ragnarok. 26	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:34:00 - [10] - Quote I think I might be able to find you one for your first steps into the wonderful world of wormholes
akali v2 N.F.H.P. SQUEE. 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:19:00 - [11] - Quote despite dmitry wizards kind advice, i am now set on getting a c4-c3 with nanite repairpaste capabilities. guess im gonna spend some time scanning one down:P http://www.wormholesales.com/wormholes?sort=created_at are legit? i guess you could never tell whos posting the Whs though. anyways if anyone wanna get rid of a hole. hook me up:)
Aakkonen Prometheus Expeditions 18	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:28:00 - [12] - Quote Hmm sounds good but. C4/C3 is PRETTY occupied it took for me about 2 weeks to find one (scanning + trade ads) but for you I reccomend c3/lowsec, pretty empty, good connections, lesser traffic. Good income for starting corp. Usually lowsec entrace is 1 jump out of hisec Aakkonen Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7
Caius Beriat Blackstar Privateers Disavowed. 20	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:32:00 - [13] - Quote akali v2 wrote: despite dmitry wizards kind advice, i am now set on getting a c4-c3 with nanite repairpaste capabilities. guess im gonna spend some time scanning one down:P http://www.wormholesales.com/wormholes?sort=created_at are legit? i guess you could never tell whos posting the Whs though. anyways if anyone wanna get rid of a hole. hook me up:) If you do buy anything from Wormhole sales make sure you don't pay anything up front. Get in the hole and check it out beforehand.
Sith1s Spectre Sky Fighters 232	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:46:00 - [14] - Quote akali v2 wrote: despite dmitry wizards kind advice, i am now set on getting a c4-c3 with nanite repairpaste capabilities. guess im gonna spend some time scanning one down:P http://www.wormholesales.com/wormholes?sort=created_at are legit? i guess you could never tell whos posting the Whs though. anyways if anyone wanna get rid of a hole. hook me up:) If you do go through WH sales make sure you use a broker as it will minimize the chance of being scammed Sky Fighters are now accepting WH Space Merc Contracts https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3737774#post3737774
Dmitry Wizard THE AESIR. Ragnarok. 27	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:47:00 - [15] - Quote C4 space is still a good start. It's decently secluded. I will however giving you one warning. Prepare for c4-c4-c4-c4-c5-c5-c5-c6-c5-c5 chains. When we lived in a c5-c4 the chains were ridonculous and scanning takes forever. But the c4 holes that roll into you will provide good gas and data relic sites. If you fit a legion up you can solo the first wave of almost all the data relic sites get your loot and get out without a hitch. I bid you good luck and prosperity in your new voyage to wormhole space
Andrew Jester Jester's Hole Codec Forum 8	Posted - 2013.11.21 18:20:00 - [16] - Quote As I have a C4 static, I run into plenty of C4 -> C3s, so I can keep my eye out for you. In regards to C4 -> C4 -> C4/5 infinity chains, one, he wouldn't be getting those kind of chains with a C3 static... Two, it's not very difficult to just roll out those chains for something new.
akali v2 N.F.H.P. SQUEE. 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 18:39:00 - [17] - Quote that sounds nice andrewXD im scanning like a boss right now. but not much luck yet::)
Andrew Jester Jester's Hole Codec Forum 8	Posted - 2013.11.21 18:50:00 - [18] - Quote Actually, I'm sitting in one right now...
Phoenix Jones Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking 267	Posted - 2013.11.21 18:53:00 - [19] - Quote The main thing you will run into, logistics. We also ran a personal pos program for a while. These are the issues we ran into. 1) People did not pay the rental bill (which was the fuel bill to fuel the pos) 2) People did not fuel the pos themselves. 3) People would take weeks off, and leave there pos/ships unattended 4) Shutting down a pos requires you to be able to fly every ship in there out, or to blow them all up. People get upset if you blow them up. 5) You have to keep track of all alts, all passwords. People either forget the password, or ask outright for it. 6) You need a backup player you trust with roles to deal with pos level issues, else you'll be stuck dealing with the day to day bs of pos's. 7) People are going to want to research in there. Not the greatest idea, but expect a bunch of billion isk blueprints to be floating around in pos's (not annoying to manage, annoying to track down people who "theive them". 8) Fuel types. Keep the pos's the same, else they'll just be a pain when dealing with fuel. The fuel only becomes an issue if you lack #9 9) People who want to haul fuel/products in and out. Its logistics, its booring, it takes forever, and people don't like guarding a wormhole entrance (booooooriiiing). The main ones I've run into is #2, #1, and #4. #4 is a pain if you don't have alts or others that can fly the crap they leave. If you are just starting out, I'd avoid the whole personal pos thing. Setup 1 POS, possibly 2. Minmatar for a C4 is a pretty good deal, but an amarr works also. Unless you are hardcore gas mining, Site running, etc. Don't expect to build a ton of stuff there, you'll import more than you take in. If you don't want to deal a ton with security, pos management and assignments, have people anchor giant secure containers outside the pos (right outside is fine), and have them put a password on it. With the new Mobile Units, anchoring one of those could be a good alternative also, expect people to take pot shots at it if your tower is not setup to attack at all ranges. I would not go about anchoring 10 to 12 towers just so people can have their own little home, because most people do not know HOW to take care of their own little home. Rule of thumb, unless you have a few right hand men (and I mean people who will log on and just do a job you ask them no questions asked), don't do more than 1 tower. If you are doing a C4.. DON'T build a damn capital in it. Orca is fine, don't make a archon. It'll just be a waste as you can't get it out of a C4. C4's aren't for capitals. You can do a C4 with all of 3 people if you are good, 10 to 15 is pretty much its saturation point. C2 you can double that amount as you can roll your statics. Buy the nanite paste components at 5% to 10% under jita price (price fluxuates allot), that and you are saving people time by not having to haul it to high, then contract it out to red frog to ship it to jita to sell. You can do a 0% tax, or a 10% Tax, 5% is a good middle ground. Stabbers are totally broken http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
akali v2 N.F.H.P. SQUEE. 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 19:01:00 - [20] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Actually, I'm sitting in one right now... send me the j-sig if you please:) yeah i understand those issues phoenix XD anyhow i will have 2 poses. one corp and one personal, because im paranoid. will medium posses suffice for defense? home for 10-15 players?
Robotron99 Alien Buddhas 1	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:12:00 - [21] - Quote akali v2 wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: Actually, I'm sitting in one right now... send me the j-sig if you please:) yeah i understand those issues phoenix XD anyhow i will have 2 poses. one corp and one personal, because im paranoid. will medium posses suffice for defense? home for 10-15 players? I would say that it depends on how long you plan to stay, how much you want to invest, how many people will be there, etc. Although this might be a bit too much and expensive, you can take what can work for you and and go your way. I am just going to repeat what people have already said and worked for me, so for example for a C3 or C4, it could be the classic: - Large Amarr or Minmatar: * First line: 75/25 Dickstar/Weapons (small + medium) (ECMs + some webbers + scrambler / weapons) online. * Second line (offline): Deathstar (a lot of weapons offline + webbers, disrupt/scrambler, neuters all this if you have a POS gunner). * Third line (offline): Resiststar (shield resists). * Fourth: Have another backup POS anchored at a moon with fuel+stront+some ecm/weapons and online it as soon as you are attacked. All the above is just for bluffing (=discourage ppl to attack you) more than anything else. - Try to find a WH with few moons, anchor a small tower on each making an invasion harder. - Make warp spots close to the tower (offgrid) in every direction. Your POS will be caged with large bubbles so you might find this useful in such an event. - Put all weapons around the forcefield. Something like this - Medium tower won't last long imo, also you wont have enough cpu/powergrid. Maybe you can start with one first and once you are 100% sure you are going to stay go for large. Hope you've found some of this useful. Cheers.
Marsan Caldari Provisions 136	Posted - 2013.11.21 21:23:00 - [22] - Quote The above is great if you can afford it, but at min you need a large POS. Mediums just attract the wrong attention as it screams newbie. I recommend either the d*ckstar or a resist POS (remember resists go inside the POS) to start. Multiple POS owned by the corp are a horrible idea. If people want a POS have them make another corp for their indy alts and create an alliance. Let them manage the POS rather than burn out your guys. At most you want a newbie POS, and trusted POS. Settle on a T1 low skill scouting frigate, and industrial hauling ship. Require all members to train the couple of days to fly them and the standard T1 modules (probes, cloak, cargo extenders). Keep a couple in the shared array. That way you are never in the position that you have people but they can't probe or haul. Don't build up a lot of stuff in the POS. Sooner or later a corpmate is going to rob you or you'll get sieged and steam rolled. Every month do a spring cleaning of valuable stuff you haven't used in a month or so. Keep your isk reserves up enough to be able to buy another POS, and basic ships before you start buying T3s, dead space mods, and faction ships. Be prepared to fight with a set of cheap BCs, Cruisers and Logi. If some challenges you to a fight. Ask for decent terms for a balanced fight and consider your fleet's destruction a learning experience and as well as paying the please don't wipe us off the map tax. PS- I always want at least one large gun to pop the idiot parking an uncloaked frigate "outside gun range". Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community.
Endo Scrote xLegion of the dammedx. Moose Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.11.21 21:32:00 - [23] - Quote I would definately say go for a C4 with C2/C3 static definately use a large pos, C4 with a C4 static can be a pain for logistics
zar dada Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 18	Posted - 2013.11.21 21:45:00 - [24] - Quote I would strongly recommend making your first wh a C1. It won't be permanent, but you should learn the basics before secluding yourself in a c4>c3 wormhole. Or as the previous posters have done, trial for a month in another corporation. Logistics I hope you have an orca AND a cloaky hauler. POS Have you ever tried setting up a POS? Maintained one for over a month? Some WHs have enough PI to support 70% of POS fuel, but 30% materials must still be hauled into the POS. In addition you need 2-3 characters doing PI to make it work. Also please keep 3+ months of fuel ready to be loaded in case of emergency. PVE C4 sites are decent ISK, but the ranges between sleeper spawns are large 150k sometimes. C3 sites can be solo in Legion or Tengu and certainly now Maruaders. PVP Always check for new signatures. An incoming wormhole can open at any time. It can come from someone else's static, low or null, etc. If you are less than 5-10 people, get your ships safe in the POS and scan the new signature completely. You need to know who your new neighbors are going to be. Bubble your connections if you want to keep them open. This will slow down an incoming threat. Understand DSCAN and press it every 5 seconds. If you see anything get safe and start scouting. Alt Characters 1. You'll need at least 1 scanning alt which never leaves. If you leave and your connection behind you collapses for any reason, you are stuck out of your system for good. With 1 alt in system, you'll have to wait for a dynamic kspace connection, preferably high or low sec. This might take a while. Scan daily, if you find nothing log off and try again the next day or 2. You never know who has already scouted you, and if they might be waiting on the other side of your static connection. 2. You'll need a hauler alt, Orca and Cloak transport, should have Cov Ops and scanning skills 3. Your main for PVE/PVP, should have Cov Ops and scanning skills More alts if desired Good Luck and Have Fun!
ExookiZ The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 109	Posted - 2013.11.21 22:31:00 - [25] - Quote Creating a successful WH corp from the ground up is doable, with all the guides out there you wont have to learn as much as the hard way as you wouldve years ago. Your biggest problemw ill likely just be the corp management system, as its atrocious whether your new to eve or a vet. If you have questions regarding running the corp itself, especially as a brand new WH er feel free to hit me up, as thats exactly what I did with my corp. The Wormhole Kid
akali v2 N.F.H.P. SQUEE. 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:19:00 - [26] - Quote Im considering all the answers i have gotten so far:) As for member poses, i will do the alliance approach as mentioned. I am now considering a c3-c3 aswell as a c4-c3, but still i want one wich can make nanite paste, so i can offer a corp buy service:) Seems nanite paste holes are far between:p uninhabited ones atleast. I do think im able tofill most roles myself incase i wont get any corpies:p 4 accounts. 2x tengu capable, 2x blockade runner capable. 1 freighter capable. 1 orca capble, and all covops/ scannning skills trained
ShamedOne Apotheosis Fan Club 13	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:22:00 - [27] - Quote Find something with a Hisec static and let the turds come to you http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20563701
Maxisabe Boris Johnson's Love Children 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:27:00 - [28] - Quote I would suggest a C4 > C3 for a small new corp (2-10 noobies), I lived in one for about a month by myself and the only limitation I had was lack of play time. - Easiest logistics without having a static direct high - Very quiet, few corps pick C4 as their static as they are not the best area to get PVP, solo isk, fleet isk, or logistics - A small fleet of low sp characters can run C4 sites, and C3's are the best for solo - Many C3 > Low have solo ratters that don't pay attention to new sigs/dscan giving you some minor pvp The only pain is rolling the static, but I am used to the ease of rolling C5 holes and was rolling the C3's by myself Once you get above 10 active noobies or even 5 experienced players the C4 will seem really limited though akali v2 wrote: I am now considering a c3-c3 C3 > C3 don't exist, all C3's have a kspace static akali v2 wrote: but still i want one wich can make nanite paste After your in wormholes for a bit of time running sites, you will probably forget about industry akali v2 wrote: I do think im able tofill most roles myself incase i wont get any corpies:p 4 accounts. 2x tengu capable, 2x blockade runner capable. 1 freighter capable. 1 orca capble, and all covops/ scannning skills trained If you try to do everything yourself you will get burned out really fast
akali v2 N.F.H.P. SQUEE. 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:39:00 - [29] - Quote ShamedOne wrote: Find something with a Hisec static and let the turds come to you http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20563701 Haha nice 1XDwell i feel i need a c3 static to roll, but i guess in a c2-high-c3 you would get mostly explorers and haulers as visitorsXD not alot more pvp dudes than a c3 or c4 i mean. Dont get me wrong, i love to pvp, and have done a fair share of solo pvp too. But i love carebearing too, andwant to grt a fairly secure hole for low sp pilots and bears
ShamedOne Apotheosis Fan Club 13	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:44:00 - [30] - Quote akali v2 wrote: ShamedOne wrote: Find something with a Hisec static and let the turds come to you http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20563701 Haha nice 1XDwell i feel i need a c3 static to roll, but i guess in a c2-high-c3 you would get mostly explorers and haulers as visitorsXD not alot more pvp dudes than a c3 or c4 i mean. Dont get me wrong, i love to pvp, and have done a fair share of solo pvp too. But i love carebearing too, andwant to grt a fairly secure hole for low sp pilots and bears At the mo we have 3 incoming wormholes plus our HS static. Lots of things to do, need to shoot someone with my new Vindicatii

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