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Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2006.02.22 19:09:00 - [1] So, accordign to the patch notes. The cloak / cyno recon bug isnt being addressed ? I certainly hope this isnt the case,its long overdue already. Current RKK Ranking: (AMM11) Rear Admiral
Harlequinn	Posted - 2006.02.22 19:36:00 - [2] No Joke there m8. How tough can this one be to fix? --Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.--
Elaine Threepwood	Posted - 2006.02.22 19:53:00 - [3] I also see no mention of the Huginns broken missile bonus being fixed
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.02.22 20:07:00 - [4] Well... at least the Gallente Recon ships will be going from 'completely broken' to 'not-quite-as broken' (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
Max Teranous	Posted - 2006.02.22 23:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Harlequinn No Joke there m8. How tough can this one be to fix? It could be very difficult to fix. The issue is because the cyno is considered a type of cloak, and you can't use 2 cloaks. Now i have no idea how deep the code is or the difficulty in changing this coding, which is what it'll take. I think if it was a simple dB change they would have done it already. Max
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.23 00:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Harlequinn No Joke there m8. How tough can this one be to fix? It could be very difficult to fix. The issue is because the cyno is considered a type of cloak, and you can't use 2 cloaks. Now i have no idea how deep the code is or the difficulty in changing this coding, which is what it'll take. I think if it was a simple dB change they would have done it already. hurrah for hacked implementations \o/
Max Teranous	Posted - 2006.02.23 10:16:00 - [7] Heh, I've done it enough times myself at work to have some sympathy. You never know when your clever little trick you wrote on a Friday afternoon 6 months previously will come back and bite you on the ass Max
Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2006.02.23 10:43:00 - [8] Yeah ^^ i understand why its not fixed. Just getting very annoying now. Like u say, short cuts invariably come back to bite u in the ass sooner or later Current RKK Ranking: (AMM11) Rear Admiral

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.02.23 10:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Elaine Threepwood I also see no mention of the Huginns broken missile bonus being fixed IIRC I fixed this sometime ago. I must have just forgotten to put it in the patch notes. The cloak/cyno bug is a bit trickier to fix. The cynosural field bonuses are also kind of additional bonuses. That is the ships still have 2 racial ship bonuses and 2 recon ships bonuses the cyno is just additional stuff. Even without the cyno bonuses these are still pretty cool ships. Having said that then we have an open defect about this and are trying to come up with a suitable solution to this. _______________

Kateryne	Posted - 2006.02.23 11:06:00 - [10] If it is proving hard to reprogram the cyno field to not count as a cloak, why not just allow ships to fit multiple cloaks? i mean it's not like you gain anything from it... since you could still allow people to not ACTIVATE two at the same time - see propulsion gear
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2006.02.23 11:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 23/02/2006 11:11:13 well said guy above eyeshadow... ^ ^ it seems simple to us, just let 2 cloaks be fitted at the same time. sod the recloak timer
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.02.23 11:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Kateryne If it is proving hard to reprogram the cyno field to not count as a cloak, why not just allow ships to fit multiple cloaks? i mean it's not like you gain anything from it... since you could still allow people to not ACTIVATE two at the same time - see propulsion gear Allowing the fitting of 2 or more cloaks will basically make the recloak timer obsolete, as you simple activate the next one when you need. That is not good My Latest Vid (16/02/06)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.23 11:45:00 - [13] I'm still at a loss as to what they hell they coded to make the servers think cyno generators are cloaks, as the only thing they have in common is that you can't target anything when either module is active.
Acuna Traos	Posted - 2006.02.23 11:50:00 - [14] What exactly is the problem with the cyno and cloak? I thought it was that your couldn't fit both at the same time.. ie either it doesn't go online or worse it doesn;t even go in teh slot. But the other day I fitted a cyno and a covert cloak on my Pilgrim and both activated. (green dot) Not undocked with it fitted yet so maybe it's a check that happens then I dunno. Will check when I get back tonight.
Zooish	Posted - 2006.02.23 11:55:00 - [15] This is terrible customer service, The entire class has been broken from "day one" Stop adding new content for a period of time and fix all the things that are broken beyong payable ...
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.23 12:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Acuna Traos What exactly is the problem with the cyno and cloak? I thought it was that your couldn't fit both at the same time.. ie either it doesn't go online or worse it doesn;t even go in teh slot. But the other day I fitted a cyno and a covert cloak on my Pilgrim and both activated. (green dot) Not undocked with it fitted yet so maybe it's a check that happens then I dunno. Will check when I get back tonight. you can online them both while docked, but when you undock you can't activate either of them, regardless of if either one or both are online. The whole point of the force recon ships was thay they would be able to go deep into hostile space unseen (well, cloaked), find the target system, decloak, and then whip up a cyno field twice as fast as any other kind of ship could. At the moment, they can't do any of that without having to refit when they get to the target system. If there's no NPC station or POS setup, they're useless.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.02.23 12:08:00 - [17] Yeah. The ability to get within 3k of a target without being detected is useless. Totally.
Drevonion	Posted - 2006.02.23 12:13:00 - [18] A suggestion or 2, perhaps instead of a cloak effect, a 100% resist on all shield types while using it, no weapon usage, and a Ecm effect. Would be a way around it, and would be somewhat easier to code.
Elaine Threepwood	Posted - 2006.02.23 12:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Elaine Threepwood I also see no mention of the Huginns broken missile bonus being fixed IIRC I fixed this sometime ago. I must have just forgotten to put it in the patch notes. The cloak/cyno bug is a bit trickier to fix. The cynosural field bonuses are also kind of additional bonuses. That is the ships still have 2 racial ship bonuses and 2 recon ships bonuses the cyno is just additional stuff. Even without the cyno bonuses these are still pretty cool ships. Having said that then we have an open defect about this and are trying to come up with a suitable solution to this. Woohoo! I love you Tux <3
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.23 12:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Yeah. The ability to get within 3k of a target without being detected is useless. Totally. I meant useless as in their intended role (sneak in and jump dreads). If you want to use them as a 150m isk covert ops ship, then do so, but a covert ops ship will give you warp-in points far quicker than a recon.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.02.23 13:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Joerd Toastius Yeah. The ability to get within 3k of a target without being detected is useless. Totally. I meant useless as in their intended role (sneak in and jump dreads). If you want to use them as a 150m isk covert ops ship, then do so, but a covert ops ship will give you warp-in points far quicker than a recon. Yes, but a Covert Ops ship can't destroy a Maller in ten seconds solo or put a Vigilant into deep armour in the same kind of timespan. I've played around in a Pilgrim in PvP and it's a seriously effective piece of solo hardware - more so than the Curse IMO, because you can pick and choose your engagements with impunity. (Until you get accidentally decloaked at a gatecamp of course :P)
Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.02.23 13:20:00 - [22] Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 23/02/2006 13:22:38 This is not a debt on how good or bad ships are, so kindly start you own thread .... This is about a class of ships that were introduced into the game that have never worked ... The Falcon (and all the other Force Recon Ships) have given up its effective firepower to be able to fit a Cynofield ... this is according to CCP Its doesn't work, we know that, they know that, there is no debate here .... PS if anyone loses a Cruiser to a Falcon with its 2 missile points ... you need to find a different role.

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